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Posted: 12/20/2013 9:04:32 AM EDT
Solving the problem of wearing NVGs when you don’t need a helmet, the NightCap™ is great for low-vis needs, general recce work, and even hunting. Stuff it in your pocket until needed and then just clip your NVGs in for a lightweight and stable option when a helmet is not needed. Packs down to practically nothing. Feels like wearing a baseball hat. Simple, adjustable, and breathable. The NightCap™ was designed with cooperation from key user groups, and is now available to everyone.
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The Nightcap™ is an innovative product from Crye Precision. It fills a niche need for a non-helmet NVG platform, but is unlike anything else on the market. While it doesn’t look like much, the Nightcap™ can support the weight of a dual-tube NVG and has pile tape on the back for mounting a remote battery pack or counterweight. The strap system is easy to adjust and the brow pad is comfortable. The Nightcap™ does not come with a shroud or mount. The carbon fiber substrate that provides rigidity to the front of the platform is pre-drilled for both 3 and 4-hole NVG shrouds. The user simply chooses which type of shroud and pokes holes through the front and back fabric pieces in order to attach it with screws.
One size fits all.
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Is it compatible with a comms headset such as OTH TCI LIB II?
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It looks a lot better than the standard skull crusher though I could probably do without the actually fabric cap part. The price is half of what I thought it'd be as well.
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I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to hit the market...
It just seemed that having to wear a helmet just for NVG use was more bulky & heavy than it needed to be. |
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Im guessing I'm alone here, but I want someone to review one. It still looks like it would give you a headache after even a couple hours of use, kind of like a skull crusher with a mesh cover. Obviously this is conjecture, not a statement, but I am looking forward to some nonbiased user write-ups. I hope I'm wrong as it could be a nice alternative if they somehow managed to make it comfortable.
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I absolutely plan on buying one of these, however dynamic movement under goggles really does require a bump helmet in my experience.
Once you get out from really wide open flat terrain or your yard then trips, falls, spills, bumps, and etc are bound to happen. Who else here has completely gone ass-over-tea-kettle while under goggles? I can't be the only one! I can remember totally clotheslining myself going through a hatch at speed, my pvs-7's were flipped up and caught on the lip of the hatch. My legs came out from under me and I landed hard on my back, thankfully my lid kept me from busting my head. I've seen another guy run for an alleyway, catch some bright light and get off course, straight into a brick wall, he was all kinds of fucked up. Quoted:
I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to hit the market... It just seemed that having to wear a helmet just for NVG use was more bulky & heavy than it needed to be. View Quote |
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I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to hit the market... It just seemed that having to wear a helmet just for NVG use was more bulky & heavy than it needed to be. View Quote What do you mean? These types have been around for a very long time. I've been using one for maybe 17+ years. When I first got in the military I actually used PVS-4's and 5's. Those obviously don't use a skull crusher. |
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Quoted: I absolutely plan on buying one of these, however dynamic movement under goggles really does require a bump helmet in my experience. Once you get out from really wide open flat terrain or your yard then trips, falls, spills, bumps, and etc are bound to happen. Who else here has completely gone ass-over-tea-kettle while under goggles? I can't be the only one! I can remember totally clotheslining myself going through a hatch at speed, my pvs-7's were flipped up and caught on the lip of the hatch. My legs came out from under me and I landed hard on my back, thankfully my lid kept me from busting my head. I've seen another guy run for an alleyway, catch some bright light and get off course, straight into a brick wall, he was all kinds of fucked up. View Quote |
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I absolutely plan on buying one of these, however dynamic movement under goggles really does require a bump helmet in my experience. Once you get out from really wide open flat terrain or your yard then trips, falls, spills, bumps, and etc are bound to happen. Who else here has completely gone ass-over-tea-kettle while under goggles? I can't be the only one! I can remember totally clotheslining myself going through a hatch at speed, my pvs-7's were flipped up and caught on the lip of the hatch. My legs came out from under me and I landed hard on my back, thankfully my lid kept me from busting my head. I've seen another guy run for an alleyway, catch some bright light and get off course, straight into a brick wall, he was all kinds of fucked up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I absolutely plan on buying one of these, however dynamic movement under goggles really does require a bump helmet in my experience. Once you get out from really wide open flat terrain or your yard then trips, falls, spills, bumps, and etc are bound to happen. Who else here has completely gone ass-over-tea-kettle while under goggles? I can't be the only one! I can remember totally clotheslining myself going through a hatch at speed, my pvs-7's were flipped up and caught on the lip of the hatch. My legs came out from under me and I landed hard on my back, thankfully my lid kept me from busting my head. I've seen another guy run for an alleyway, catch some bright light and get off course, straight into a brick wall, he was all kinds of fucked up. Quoted:
I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to hit the market... It just seemed that having to wear a helmet just for NVG use was more bulky & heavy than it needed to be. I can't say I've ever done that other than one time. This is in 20+ years in the military and a little over half of that was/is in reconnaissance and special operations, not using a helmet. The helmet would go in the bottom of the ruck and the NODs would be on a skull crusher. The one time I did take a spill was on a night land nav course with a ruck and NVG's. I was walking and all of a sudden I fell about 10-12 feet and landed on my back. I think my ruck pulled me around as I fell. The guy behind me said I just disappeared. I fell into an old basement. The house was long gone and at one time was a WWII POW camp for German prisoners. We would've gotten smoked if we actually needed a helmet to walk in the woods with NOD's. You have to be loud as heck! lol |
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Im guessing I'm alone here, but I want someone to review one. It still looks like it would give you a headache after even a couple hours of use, kind of like a skull crusher with a mesh cover. Obviously this is conjecture, not a statement, but I am looking forward to some nonbiased user write-ups. I hope I'm wrong as it could be a nice alternative if they somehow managed to make it comfortable. View Quote You said the same thing on another forum and I'll say it here....First we ain't bias, we test gear extensively BEFORE WE RELEASE IT. We've had this particular kit for awhile now we've been running. See below. This ain't a Russian piece of kit, and we've spent MANY hours with this unit like we do with all our kit before we offer it. We think this is a FAR cry from the normal "skull crusher", leaps and bounds better. Just because it might say Crye, Ops, Team Wendy, etc. we test all the American made top gear no matter what the manufacturer says before we offer it. Much of the kit we get comes to us long before it even hits the common market. LDI in particular has some pretty awesome kit you will see at Shot we've been working with... It has NOT given me ANY headaches, as it has nothing to pinch your head as the PVS-14 Kit "Skull Crusher" does. Clasky has also worn it extensively and I am sure he will chime in as well and we think it's more stable than a PT Bravo. Vic |
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The pad system on the front is the same consistency as standard issue ACH pads. So, it's nice and comfy while adding to the rigidity of the carbon fiber substrate in front of it. The mesh is super breathable, so your head doesn't roast - like wearing a trucker cap without the brim. What I really like is the way they designed the strap system for adjustment. The two crossing velcro straps at the dome really do a great job of pulling the material taut for stabilization. The chin strap is exactly what you would expect from one of the top gear makers in the US. It is awesome and uses proper straight line geometry for added rigidity to the platform.
One thing to keep in mind is that system is literally fabric. The only totally rigid part is the thin carbon fiber substrate up front. This actually helps a great deal in comfort because it places the NVG mount and shroud closer to your forehead than it would be on a helmet. So, the feeling of extra weight that happens because you are cantilevering a goggle further away from your head is reduced a lot. Honestly, the Nightcap is the most comfortable non-helmet mounting platform I have ever used. It was originally designed with input from JSOC personnel who needed a night vision head mounting platform for use under cover where they couldn't lug around the volume of a helmet. It is so lightweight that you can literally scrunch it up and shove it in a pants pocket. As far as comparing it to a high end bump helmet, it is right up there in comfort and stability with Team Wendy EXFIL and Ops Core Base Jump Helmets. It's certainly more comfortable than a Bravo Helmet because it is a much closer fit to your head. One thing I noticed is that because it is a fabric "shell" instead of something rigid, the material is much more apt to conform to your head contours than the padding in a helmet. So, it feels a lot closer to you than a helmet would. Don't get me wrong, you will still feel the weight of the goggle. You can't get away from that. But, the overall comfort and stability is tops. |
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You said the same thing on another forum and I'll say it here....First we ain't bias, we test gear extensively BEFORE WE RELEASE IT. We've had this particular kit for awhile now we've been running. See below. This ain't a Russian piece of kit, and we've spent MANY hours with this unit like we do with all our kit before we offer it. We think this is a FAR cry from the normal "skull crusher", leaps and bounds better. Just because it might say Crye, Ops, Team Wendy, etc. we test all the American made top gear no matter what the manufacturer says before we offer it. Much of the kit we get comes to us long before it even hits the common market. LDI in particular has some pretty awesome kit you will see at Shot we've been working with...Vic View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Im guessing I'm alone here, but I want someone to review one. It still looks like it would give you a headache after even a couple hours of use, kind of like a skull crusher with a mesh cover. Obviously this is conjecture, not a statement, but I am looking forward to some nonbiased user write-ups. I hope I'm wrong as it could be a nice alternative if they somehow managed to make it comfortable. You said the same thing on another forum and I'll say it here....First we ain't bias, we test gear extensively BEFORE WE RELEASE IT. We've had this particular kit for awhile now we've been running. See below. This ain't a Russian piece of kit, and we've spent MANY hours with this unit like we do with all our kit before we offer it. We think this is a FAR cry from the normal "skull crusher", leaps and bounds better. Just because it might say Crye, Ops, Team Wendy, etc. we test all the American made top gear no matter what the manufacturer says before we offer it. Much of the kit we get comes to us long before it even hits the common market. LDI in particular has some pretty awesome kit you will see at Shot we've been working with...Vic Im not saying you are biased. Is it wrong to assume a customer may have used one here and not on the Hide yet? or vise versa? It's something I am considering, but relying solely on the VA for my paycheck, my funds are limited. Therefor I try not to rush in and buy something based on advertising alone. Im not saying the advertiser is hyping, but Im used to the very best gear available, but as SCDV 100%, I cant afford to buy something without vetting it. Im not sure if you've ever broken your neck, but avoiding headaches is a challenge afterwards. Well designed gear lets you do that and still enjoy life. I have a meeting with CRYE and LDI at SHOT, Ill check it out then. It has NOT given me ANY headaches, as it has nothing to pinch your head as the PVS-14 Kit "Skull Crusher" does. Clasky has also worn it extensively and I am sure he will chime in as well and we think it's more stable than a PT Bravo. |
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Since I have an unused 3 hole shroud on old A Alpha with a broken chin strap, I went ahead and ordered one. Hopefully this will be a solution to flying with a helmet, which is too bulky for my tastes.
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Sucks that the older Wilcox mounts like the L2 G05 aren't compatible with any of their new mounts.
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What shroud is that in the picture? What counterweight set up works best with the Night Cap.
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Seems perfect for use in a go bag. Will be ordering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes That is exactly the reason I'm going for it. Quoted:
What shroud is that in the picture? What counterweight set up works best with the Night Cap. Based on what Clasky was saying in one of his posts the need for one isn't as great. I figure just the EOD model you can put spare batteries, etc. in. |
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What do you mean? These types have been around for a very long time. I've been using one for maybe 17+ years. When I first got in the military I actually used PVS-4's and 5's. Those obviously don't use a skull crusher. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to hit the market... It just seemed that having to wear a helmet just for NVG use was more bulky & heavy than it needed to be. What do you mean? These types have been around for a very long time. I've been using one for maybe 17+ years. When I first got in the military I actually used PVS-4's and 5's. Those obviously don't use a skull crusher. Sorry, I've never seen such a device that utilized a shroud on the front like this one so you could attach a flip-up. You have any links/pictures of similar devices that have been around for a while? |
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I don't really think it is necessary to use a counterweight with a PVS-14 on the Nightcap. But, that's a personal comfort think. Some users might like to use one. The shroud in the pictures is a Wilcox L4 3-Hole Shroud
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Yeah, we sold through our first shipment within an hour of putting them on the site...
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Quoted: Latest build with the Crye Cap and some Sentinels! Good lightweight AND stable setup here. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/20140110_093824_resized_zps99ece65f.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/20140110_093814_resized_zps616b7300.jpg View Quote Very cool!
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That's Awesome! Any word on the next shipment of these in black?
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They (Crye) are making us cry a bit...End of Feb/Early March. We sold out in a few days on our initial order.
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I'm still waiting till end of Feb/Early March as Vic said.
That reminds me that I should call and see if they can ship the rest of my order while I wait. |
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I am sure we can, give Jaimie a jingle. It will not cost you any extra shipping once the Cap goes out. Vic View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm still waiting till end of Feb/Early March as Vic said. That reminds me that I should call and see if they can ship the rest of my order while I wait. I am sure we can, give Jaimie a jingle. It will not cost you any extra shipping once the Cap goes out. Vic Yup. Jaimie was more than happy to help me out. Changed a few pieces and will ship the partial order. Thanks. |
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Militarymorons has revied it long time ago.
http://www.militarymorons.com/gear/crye6.html |
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How does the sizing work out on these?
I'm interested, but have a large head. One-size-fits-all hats are a little small for me. |
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So a dumb idea popped in to my head today....
Has anyone tried modding these into a ghillie cap? |
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So a dumb idea popped in to my head today.... Has anyone tried modding these into a ghillie cap? View Quote Part of the appeal is the ultra-light weight and that it can be wadded up and stuffed in a pocket. I think you would loose that by adding stuff to it. In my opinion you'd be better off just using a hood so you still have the usefulness when you don't want a ghille. This is coming from a ghille hater though, so take it for what it's worth. |
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More or less patiently waiting...
This would be much better for nighttime dog walking than my bump helmet. I'm always a little concerned that someone driving down the road will get all panicky and call me in as a suspicious person. |
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More or less patiently waiting... This would be much better for nighttime dog walking than my bump helmet. I'm always a little concerned that someone driving down the road will get all panicky and call me in as a suspicious person. View Quote I'm glad someone else runs into this problem. LOL Calm walk with the dog...car lights are seen way in the distance. LEAP INTO THE BUSHES! |
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I'm glad someone else runs into this problem. LOL Calm walk with the dog...car lights are seen way in the distance. LEAP INTO THE BUSHES! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More or less patiently waiting... This would be much better for nighttime dog walking than my bump helmet. I'm always a little concerned that someone driving down the road will get all panicky and call me in as a suspicious person. I'm glad someone else runs into this problem. LOL Calm walk with the dog...car lights are seen way in the distance. LEAP INTO THE BUSHES! Then all the drivers see is a dog with a leash leading into the bushes. :) The wait is killing me on this. Everything else is here but that cap. |
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Anyone know what the small stainless screws are for?
I wish they would have added just a touch of padding on the chin area, similar to an OpsCor H-nape chine strap. It wouldn't have added any bulk really & brought the comfort level up a lot. Although I did just pick up an old singer and could probably add some padding on myself but I'm a sucker for factory done stitching. |
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You should have no issues. You can cinch this thing down pretty small. View Quote Thanks Eric, but how about the other end of the sizing spectrum? I'm talking 7-3/4 hat size, XL ACH, Crye doesn't make an airframe that fits my dome sizing. Cinching it down pretty small isn't exactly what I want to do with it. |
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Quoted: Thanks Eric, but how about the other end of the sizing spectrum? I'm talking 7-3/4 hat size, XL ACH, Crye doesn't make an airframe that fits my dome sizing. Cinching it down pretty small isn't exactly what I want to do with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You should have no issues. You can cinch this thing down pretty small. Thanks Eric, but how about the other end of the sizing spectrum? I'm talking 7-3/4 hat size, XL ACH, Crye doesn't make an airframe that fits my dome sizing. Cinching it down pretty small isn't exactly what I want to do with it. You may have some issues. I wear a size L airframe to give you frame of reference, and the nightcap its pretty roomy on me, but not too much. I dont think it will go out to 24.5" comfortably. On another note, have you tried the XL airframe? 7 and 3/4 hat size is 24 1/4". An XL airframe is sized as XL: (24.5 +) |
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I'm glad someone else runs into this problem. LOL Calm walk with the dog...car lights are seen way in the distance. LEAP INTO THE BUSHES! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More or less patiently waiting... This would be much better for nighttime dog walking than my bump helmet. I'm always a little concerned that someone driving down the road will get all panicky and call me in as a suspicious person. I'm glad someone else runs into this problem. LOL Calm walk with the dog...car lights are seen way in the distance. LEAP INTO THE BUSHES! Whew. Me, too. I just put it out there and figured I'd fall on the sword. Instead of furtive leaping like a creeper, I just turn my head away from the road to interact with the dog. That way, they won't see my face and recognize me. That's plausible deniability. I could be any one of the guys who strap on a repurposed skate helmet and walk a big slobbering dog in the dark. My wife just shakes her head & continues watching HGTV. Living in suburbia with a busy job & kids, that's about the only regular opportunity I have to stroll around with NODs. As long as TEOTWAKI involves lots of doggie waste disposal bags, I'm all set. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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ahh i see. I went back a re-read, sometimes I have to fly through this stuff and answer a ton of things, all while multitasking. You may have some issues. I wear a size L airframe to give you frame of reference, and the nightcap its pretty roomy on me, but not too much. I dont think it will go out to 24.5" comfortably. On another note, have you tried the XL airframe? 7 and 3/4 hat size is 24 1/4". An XL airframe is sized as XL: (24.5 +) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
ahh i see. I went back a re-read, sometimes I have to fly through this stuff and answer a ton of things, all while multitasking. You may have some issues. I wear a size L airframe to give you frame of reference, and the nightcap its pretty roomy on me, but not too much. I dont think it will go out to 24.5" comfortably. On another note, have you tried the XL airframe? 7 and 3/4 hat size is 24 1/4". An XL airframe is sized as XL: (24.5 +) No problem. To be honest, I don't know what size Airframe I tried. It was a couple years ago, we had a few at work and I would have sworn they came in only two sizes, a M/L and L/XL (or something like that). I don't remember straight "M", "L", and "XL" sizing. All I remember is that the biggest airframe we had our hands on wouldn't fit, and being disappointed that they didn't make a bigger one. Did they change the sizing, or start making the XL more recently? Or am I just confused? It's possible that I just confused myself somewhere along the way and only tried the "L" Airframe. Quoted:
I have a rather large head. 7 3/4 if I remember correctly. The nightcap fits me with no issues. Thanks! I might be getting one of these then. |
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Quoted: No problem. To be honest, I don't know what size Airframe I tried. It was a couple years ago, we had a few at work and I would have sworn they came in only two sizes, a M/L and L/XL (or something like that). I don't remember straight "M", "L", and "XL" sizing. All I remember is that the biggest airframe we had our hands on wouldn't fit, and being disappointed that they didn't make a bigger one. Did they change the sizing, or start making the XL more recently? Or am I just confused? It's possible that I just confused myself somewhere along the way and only tried the "L" Airframe. Thanks! I might be getting one of these then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ahh i see. I went back a re-read, sometimes I have to fly through this stuff and answer a ton of things, all while multitasking. You may have some issues. I wear a size L airframe to give you frame of reference, and the nightcap its pretty roomy on me, but not too much. I dont think it will go out to 24.5" comfortably. On another note, have you tried the XL airframe? 7 and 3/4 hat size is 24 1/4". An XL airframe is sized as XL: (24.5 +) No problem. To be honest, I don't know what size Airframe I tried. It was a couple years ago, we had a few at work and I would have sworn they came in only two sizes, a M/L and L/XL (or something like that). I don't remember straight "M", "L", and "XL" sizing. All I remember is that the biggest airframe we had our hands on wouldn't fit, and being disappointed that they didn't make a bigger one. Did they change the sizing, or start making the XL more recently? Or am I just confused? It's possible that I just confused myself somewhere along the way and only tried the "L" Airframe. Quoted: I have a rather large head. 7 3/4 if I remember correctly. The nightcap fits me with no issues. Thanks! I might be getting one of these then. |
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Latest build with the Crye Cap and some Sentinels! Good lightweight AND stable setup here. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/20140110_093824_resized_zps99ece65f.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/20140110_093814_resized_zps616b7300.jpg View Quote This might have me sold. The Ops Base Jump has been having a couple of hot spots on my head since I mounted the Anvis and battery pack, and I think I need to do some sort of upgrayedd. I've managed to get through the last few months without running my head into things, so I should be able to get away without a helmet too. Are they back in stock yet? |
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