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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:31:29 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 11:36:36 PM by luckypunk]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT TNVC has the ANPVS-14 for $100 less than the Night Enforcer, comes with more accessories but no data sheet. Are the Night Enforcers that much better? how much street cred is the data sheet. The accessories included with the ANPVS interest me. compass is a very cool +1 because I will be using this up in mountains/camping, I have never seen the display image. how is it? The crusher would be used for now, but how effective the PASGT mount on a skateboard helmet or G.I. Steel Pot? The warranty stated in the buyers guide sticky is that the ANPVS is only 2 yrs, but TNVC lists it as 5 Year Tube, 3 Year System. which one is correct? weapons mount, better than duct tape I suppose, and it would be nice to open the box & be able to use it on an AR or head mount. as far as targeting, DBAL as funds allow, but How would a streamlite TLR-2 with IR filter for illumination and the red visible for aiming work, does it bloom bad closeup/ I.E.difficult to hit a whistle pig at 30 yds? thanks, LP |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:43:25 PM
Definitely spend the extra $100 for the unit with the spec sheet. Other wise you will always be guessing on 'if' you could have gotten a better unit for similar money. I bought a blem PVS-14 that didn't have a spec sheet, but it was much, much less than a brand new Night Enforcer from TNVC.
I haven't used the compass, but I do see the appeal in it. I have heard that it isn't reliable, particularly if you use a helmet mount as there is a magnet in the J-arm. The USGI helmet mount works really well with a skate board helmet. I ran one on a Protec classic helmet that I got on Ebay with some cash back offer. I eventually got a Ops Core base jump helmet and it is well worth it. I would just spend the money on the Ops Core as it already has the mount molded in and fits better. If you want a cheap IR laser, research the Beamshot 1000 IR conversion. Basically you replace the visible red laser diode with an IR version. It runs about $150 total in parts and it isn't too hard to do. For a cheap IR illuminator, check out the IR led replacement heads on Ebay for Surefire lights. I have one and it works about 80-85% of a Surefire 952V. Considering they are $20, it is a very good value. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:59:46 PM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 12:21:15 AM by Dino1130]
You are basically deciding between a milspec unit and a Night Enforcer. The milspec unit by definition and contract has to perform above a certain threshold set forth by the contract. That tells us all tubes perform above the minimum level in the contract which is usually higher then the minimum levels for a Night Enforcer. A milspec tube needs no data sheet because we know it will perform very high and above a set level that is pretty high to begin with.
Now, most Night Enforcers well exceed the minimum levels but the lowest level it can perform at per the specs is below that of this particular milspec tube( if it is the DTG2 tube). The Night Enforcer tube can also easily outperform the milspec tube. Just depends on the specs you get. Milspec tubes are also always very clean tubes. Very minor spots or blemishes. I will not use the accessories in my judging because most are not very useful and you will soon upgrade most if not all of them. The compass is pretty useless IMHO, the skullcrusher even more so. As far as warranty you are better off getting that from TNVC. Which one would I get I bet is your question. Tough choice. If I knew in advance my Night Enforcer tube specs the decision would be easy. Assuming it is a toss up and I have no information I would get the mispec unit. I know that one will perform very high and be a really clean tube. The Night Enforcer will most likely be as well but with the mispec unit I know it will perform great. If I was getting a hand select Night Enforcer and I knew the specs were higher than the milspec units contract I would choose the Night Enforcer. You really won't go wrong with either scope and they will both perform very well. I happen to like milspec tubes because it is a guarantee of sorts. The tube will not surprise me. 
ETA: I don't know off hand what contract the milspec tubes in this scope are from and I would need to know this to determine the tube specs. I think the average Night Enforcer S/N was around 26 last I checked the spec thread. Other specs factor in but S/N is a good starting point. If it is from the contract with a DTG2 tube I would get the Night Enforcer as odds say it will outperform it. The DTG2 tubes are very nice and milspec but I believe have slightly lower min specs. You can go look at David's Omni classification sticky at the top of the page and find the DTG2 tube specs. I don't remember exactly what they are. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 4:06:05 PM
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
You are basically deciding between a milspec unit and a Night Enforcer. The milspec unit by definition and contract has to perform above a certain threshold set forth by the contract. That tells us all tubes perform above the minimum level in the contract which is usually higher then the minimum levels for a Night Enforcer. A milspec tube needs no data sheet because we know it will perform very high and above a set level that is pretty high to begin with. Now, most Night Enforcers well exceed the minimum levels but the lowest level it can perform at per the specs is below that of this particular milspec tube( if it is the DTG2 tube). The Night Enforcer tube can also easily outperform the milspec tube. Just depends on the specs you get. Milspec tubes are also always very clean tubes. Very minor spots or blemishes. I will not use the accessories in my judging because most are not very useful and you will soon upgrade most if not all of them. The compass is pretty useless IMHO, the skullcrusher even more so. As far as warranty you are better off getting that from TNVC. Which one would I get I bet is your question. Tough choice. If I knew in advance my Night Enforcer tube specs the decision would be easy. Assuming it is a toss up and I have no information I would get the mispec unit. I know that one will perform very high and be a really clean tube. The Night Enforcer will most likely be as well but with the mispec unit I know it will perform great. If I was getting a hand select Night Enforcer and I knew the specs were higher than the milspec units contract I would choose the Night Enforcer. You really won't go wrong with either scope and they will both perform very well. I happen to like milspec tubes because it is a guarantee of sorts. The tube will not surprise me.
ETA: I don't know off hand what contract the milspec tubes in this scope are from and I would need to know this to determine the tube specs. I think the average Night Enforcer S/N was around 26 last I checked the spec thread. Other specs factor in but S/N is a good starting point. If it is from the contract with a DTG2 tube I would get the Night Enforcer as odds say it will outperform it. The DTG2 tubes are very nice and milspec but I believe have slightly lower min specs. You can go look at David's Omni classification sticky at the top of the page and find the DTG2 tube specs. I don't remember exactly what they are. So I really don't know what unit is better however I think your logic behind it is flawed. True a military good does have to meet spec. However once that contract is in place the manufacturer can in no way, shape or form alter the materials and/or processes to make the product without some serious paperwork and such. So, a non-mil-spec unit many times will be better than its mil-spec counterpart because that new device can take advantage of new technologies, materials, etc. An example of this is cyalume chem lights. Everyone thinks the mil-spec ones are better but in reality the cheaper industrial ones are better because they use an improved formula that the mil-spec version can not use. Not many people know this so demand for the military ones are still high which drives the high price. I'm not coming at you here just pointing out that this is something people do a lot of on these forums for various products. Now if the company provides a spec sheet compare that to the military spec for what you are comparing it too. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 4:23:44 PM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 4:33:41 PM by Dino1130]
Originally Posted By generalzip:
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
You are basically deciding between a milspec unit and a Night Enforcer. The milspec unit by definition and contract has to perform above a certain threshold set forth by the contract. That tells us all tubes perform above the minimum level in the contract which is usually higher then the minimum levels for a Night Enforcer. A milspec tube needs no data sheet because we know it will perform very high and above a set level that is pretty high to begin with. Now, most Night Enforcers well exceed the minimum levels but the lowest level it can perform at per the specs is below that of this particular milspec tube( if it is the DTG2 tube). The Night Enforcer tube can also easily outperform the milspec tube. Just depends on the specs you get. Milspec tubes are also always very clean tubes. Very minor spots or blemishes. I will not use the accessories in my judging because most are not very useful and you will soon upgrade most if not all of them. The compass is pretty useless IMHO, the skullcrusher even more so. As far as warranty you are better off getting that from TNVC. Which one would I get I bet is your question. Tough choice. If I knew in advance my Night Enforcer tube specs the decision would be easy. Assuming it is a toss up and I have no information I would get the mispec unit. I know that one will perform very high and be a really clean tube. The Night Enforcer will most likely be as well but with the mispec unit I know it will perform great. If I was getting a hand select Night Enforcer and I knew the specs were higher than the milspec units contract I would choose the Night Enforcer. You really won't go wrong with either scope and they will both perform very well. I happen to like milspec tubes because it is a guarantee of sorts. The tube will not surprise me.
ETA: I don't know off hand what contract the milspec tubes in this scope are from and I would need to know this to determine the tube specs. I think the average Night Enforcer S/N was around 26 last I checked the spec thread. Other specs factor in but S/N is a good starting point. If it is from the contract with a DTG2 tube I would get the Night Enforcer as odds say it will outperform it. The DTG2 tubes are very nice and milspec but I believe have slightly lower min specs. You can go look at David's Omni classification sticky at the top of the page and find the DTG2 tube specs. I don't remember exactly what they are. So I really don't know what unit is better however I think your logic behind it is flawed. True a military good does have to meet spec. However once that contract is in place the manufacturer can in no way, shape or form alter the materials and/or processes to make the product without some serious paperwork and such. So, a non-mil-spec unit many times will be better than its mil-spec counterpart because that new device can take advantage of new technologies, materials, etc. An example of this is cyalume chem lights. Everyone thinks the mil-spec ones are better but in reality the cheaper industrial ones are better because they use an improved formula that the mil-spec version can not use. Not many people know this so demand for the military ones are still high which drives the high price. I'm not coming at you here just pointing out that this is something people do a lot of on these forums for various products. Now if the company provides a spec sheet compare that to the military spec for what you are comparing it too. With night vision tubes it is more complicated than that. No two tubes ever perform the same. Milspec tubes vary wildly in performance. The specs are written for the MINIMUM performance requirements. Milspec tubes will always perform above the min specs and some go way above. The processes and materials to make a night vision tube have not changed much in the last ten years or longer. They thinned a film here and changed the power supply on others but the basic design and materials have changed little. Without the two scopes in hand or data sheets on both scopes nobody can tell you which one is better. Simply because night vision tubes can vary so much. Are mispec tubes better ? In many cases no and in many cases yes. If I have a data sheet in hand I still can't tell you it will outperform a milspec tube because no two are the same and milspec tubes do not come with a data sheet (because they already passed min specs). I can only speak to the contract minimums. Give me a data sheet on both tubes and I can tell you easily which one is best. Milspec tubes in general are always good tubes and some excellent. Commercial tubes can be great but others can be pretty poor. I don't know how contracts work with cyalume light sticks but I do understand night vision contracts. 
ETA: It is a tough topic to fully grasp and I am probably doing a poor job explaining it. 
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Posted: 8/3/2012 5:37:06 PM
Personally depending on the contract Number omni 6/7/8 the mil spec tube meets I don't think you can go wrong with a mil spec tube. If they have blems they are normally small and not in zone 1 (center of FOV). I also have good commerical spec ITT tubes but they are hand picked very high spec tubes with clean FOV. All this said I think the Mil spec tube is the best value as all commerial spec tubes I have were down graded from milspec for a reason even the mega high spec ones. When really looking I can see harder to see cosmetic blems such as dirty phos ( hundreds of tiny blems in the FOV), honey comb,film issues and so on. These are still great tubes for my use many of these defects are only visable at home in high light, but they are there which is why they are a commerial tube not mil spec.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 7:08:24 PM
thanks for the info-
looks like the J-arm MOUNT is where the magnet is?, not in the arm itself. so does the skullcrusher have auto off? if it doesn't i could see the compass working better on it. I would give higher value to a cleaner tube rather than higher performance, so if I can be reasonably sure that a milspec would be cleaner, I will definitely go that route. I also value durability, but not going to go L3 [whispers]Does TNVC give an ARF discount?[/whispers] |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 7:29:28 PM
Originally Posted By luckypunk:
thanks for the info- looks like the J-arm MOUNT is where the magnet is?, not in the arm itself. so does the skullcrusher have auto off? if it doesn't i could see the compass working better on it. I would give higher value to a cleaner tube rather than higher performance, so if I can be reasonably sure that a milspec would be cleaner, I will definitely go that route. I also value durability, but not going to go L3 [whispers]Does TNVC give an ARF discount?[/whispers] The auto on /off "magnet" is actually in the helmet mount itself and yes the skullcrusher has one. The auto on/off is a PIA and I always disable it. Not going to trust something that often does not work on a 3K plus scope. Not worth burning a tube when it takes a second to shut it off by the switch. If the military screws up a tube, no big deal. They just get another one. I don't have a spare $1,800 lying about. Just cut the J arm wire and the feature is disabled. The compass is really junk and they often don't work. You have to push a button for it to work and hold it. It does not stay on. It also has a battery that can't be replaced. When it is dead it is dead. Commercial tubes can be just as clean as milspec. That said, milspec tubes are always clean while commercial tubes may not be. ITT tubes are just as durable as L3 given the same specs. Don't drink the koolaid ! 
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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:51:52 PM
Originally Posted By terry1:
Personally depending on the contract Number omni 6/7/8 the mil spec tube meets I don't think you can go wrong with a mil spec tube. If they have blems they are normally small and not in zone 1 (center of FOV). I also have good commerical spec ITT tubes but they are hand picked very high spec tubes with clean FOV. All this said I think the Mil spec tube is the best value as all commerial spec tubes I have were down graded from milspec for a reason even the mega high spec ones. When really looking I can see harder to see cosmetic blems such as dirty phos ( hundreds of tiny blems in the FOV), honey comb,film issues and so on. These are still great tubes for my use many of these defects are only visable at home in high light, but they are there which is why they are a commerial tube not mil spec. I agree, and you did a nice job explaining. All tubes are designed to be milspec. Yes, they all are intended to be high spec tubes. But, in reality some batches fall short. Not all these batches are commercial tubes but none are milspec tubes. If ITT meets all their contract demands and have batches extra that normally would meet milspec they sell them as commercial tubes. Years ago I worked for Northrup Grumman and witnessed first hand what went on. Mispec tubes are just the ones that passed all the tests. But, all tubes get tested so don't believe your tube is a unwanted one. They all have value, just some more than others. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:58:31 AM
When using the unit handheld, the compass works best if you turn it so the compass card is as far away from the battery compartment as possible. The materials in some kinds of batteries seem to confuse the compass. I have had one of the compasses for about 10 years, but the light still works. I don't know if there is some way to dismantle it to replace the battery. The button to turn on the light is kind of a pressure switch, and you only really need to barely squeeze it to read the bearing. If you push it too hard it gets unnecessarily bright and can make a temporary dark spot on the tube.
It's not super precise, but you can use the compass off the NVD by just looking in the little prism at the top, even in the daytime. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:57:48 PM
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
You are basically deciding between a milspec unit and a Night Enforcer. The milspec unit by definition and contract has to perform above a certain threshold set forth by the contract. That tells us all tubes perform above the minimum level in the contract which is usually higher then the minimum levels for a Night Enforcer. A milspec tube needs no data sheet because we know it will perform very high and above a set level that is pretty high to begin with. Now, most Night Enforcers well exceed the minimum levels but the lowest level it can perform at per the specs is below that of this particular milspec tube( if it is the DTG2 tube). The Night Enforcer tube can also easily outperform the milspec tube. Just depends on the specs you get. Milspec tubes are also always very clean tubes. Very minor spots or blemishes. I will not use the accessories in my judging because most are not very useful and you will soon upgrade most if not all of them. The compass is pretty useless IMHO, the skullcrusher even more so. As far as warranty you are better off getting that from TNVC. Which one would I get I bet is your question. Tough choice. If I knew in advance my Night Enforcer tube specs the decision would be easy. Assuming it is a toss up and I have no information I would get the mispec unit. I know that one will perform very high and be a really clean tube. The Night Enforcer will most likely be as well but with the mispec unit I know it will perform great. If I was getting a hand select Night Enforcer and I knew the specs were higher than the milspec units contract I would choose the Night Enforcer. You really won't go wrong with either scope and they will both perform very well. I happen to like milspec tubes because it is a guarantee of sorts. The tube will not surprise me.
ETA: I don't know off hand what contract the milspec tubes in this scope are from and I would need to know this to determine the tube specs. I think the average Night Enforcer S/N was around 26 last I checked the spec thread. Other specs factor in but S/N is a good starting point. If it is from the contract with a DTG2 tube I would get the Night Enforcer as odds say it will outperform it. The DTG2 tubes are very nice and milspec but I believe have slightly lower min specs. You can go look at David's Omni classification sticky at the top of the page and find the DTG2 tube specs. I don't remember exactly what they are. well, I ordered a ANPVS-14 and was told they are OmniVII but no other info other than Jamie sent an invoice stating that they would be receiving it in a couple of days and then it would ship to me. can't find DTG2 in the omni specs |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:57:47 PM
Originally Posted By luckypunk: Originally Posted By Dino1130: You are basically deciding between a milspec unit and a Night Enforcer. The milspec unit by definition and contract has to perform above a certain threshold set forth by the contract. That tells us all tubes perform above the minimum level in the contract which is usually higher then the minimum levels for a Night Enforcer. A milspec tube needs no data sheet because we know it will perform very high and above a set level that is pretty high to begin with. Now, most Night Enforcers well exceed the minimum levels but the lowest level it can perform at per the specs is below that of this particular milspec tube( if it is the DTG2 tube). The Night Enforcer tube can also easily outperform the milspec tube. Just depends on the specs you get. Milspec tubes are also always very clean tubes. Very minor spots or blemishes. I will not use the accessories in my judging because most are not very useful and you will soon upgrade most if not all of them. The compass is pretty useless IMHO, the skullcrusher even more so. As far as warranty you are better off getting that from TNVC. Which one would I get I bet is your question. Tough choice. If I knew in advance my Night Enforcer tube specs the decision would be easy. Assuming it is a toss up and I have no information I would get the mispec unit. I know that one will perform very high and be a really clean tube. The Night Enforcer will most likely be as well but with the mispec unit I know it will perform great. If I was getting a hand select Night Enforcer and I knew the specs were higher than the milspec units contract I would choose the Night Enforcer. You really won't go wrong with either scope and they will both perform very well. I happen to like milspec tubes because it is a guarantee of sorts. The tube will not surprise me. ETA: I don't know off hand what contract the milspec tubes in this scope are from and I would need to know this to determine the tube specs. I think the average Night Enforcer S/N was around 26 last I checked the spec thread. Other specs factor in but S/N is a good starting point. If it is from the contract with a DTG2 tube I would get the Night Enforcer as odds say it will outperform it. The DTG2 tubes are very nice and milspec but I believe have slightly lower min specs. You can go look at David's Omni classification sticky at the top of the page and find the DTG2 tube specs. I don't remember exactly what they are. well, I ordered a ANPVS-14 and was told they are OmniVII but no other info other than Jamie sent an invoice stating that they would be receiving it in a couple of days and then it would ship to me. can't find DTG2 in the omni specs http://www.nightvision.com/products/military/product_pages/datasheet/mx11769_f9815domestic_feb09.pdf Technically DTG2 is, as best as we have been able to tell, Omni VI/VII. It's a nice tube and on paper, beats the specs of the NE without question. But if you follow the NE thread, we discovered that what Vic had been saying all along ( that the NE were something special ) was true. That the NE series really was exceptional.
But it's really splitting hairs at that level. Both are good performers. The Milspec systems offer budget performance and the NE offers 5-year warranty on the tube :) Most people would be happy with either.
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David.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:06:42 PM
so can you use the indent plate info to determine the tube in the sight, or do you have to open it up?
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:27:32 PM
Originally Posted By luckypunk: so can you use the indent plate info to determine the tube in the sight, or do you have to open it up? Best you can do is to ask TNVC what it is :) They might have the spec sheets. They might not. It's not that much of an issue - here's the real test. Go out when it's really dark. no moon. well away from the city lights.. And use your eye through your monocular. It will tell you if it's good :)
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:36:09 AM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 2:37:10 AM by piston925]
It would be great if TNVC could clarify what contract the DTG2 tube falls under? I purchased the milspec unit through tnvc and was told its milspec omni vii but i can't find it under any omni contract?
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:23:18 AM
Originally Posted By piston925: It would be great if TNVC could clarify what contract the DTG2 tube falls under? I purchased the milspec unit through tnvc and was told its milspec omni vii but i can't find it under any omni contract? Most milspecs for the MX11769's are not made public. That being the case, I would be very surprised if it did come under a contract they could talk about. My personal understanding about DTG2 tubes is that they were created for an airforce contract that was later cancelled, but I've never tracked down the specific contract. I don't have any evidence for that - it's just anecdotal. You can read about all ( most ) of the contracts from the era on FBO.GOV but you're doing pretty good if you find it.
What size is your halo? DTG2 tubes often come with larger halo's and support weapon use.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 7:20:07 AM
I tried getting the spec sheet and was told they didn't do data sheets for milspec units so I can't tell ya for sure what the halo is but I heard the dtg2 has a high halo as well.
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Posted: 8/17/2012 5:51:22 PM
Originally Posted By cj7hawk:
Originally Posted By piston925:
It would be great if TNVC could clarify what contract the DTG2 tube falls under? I purchased the milspec unit through tnvc and was told its milspec omni vii but i can't find it under any omni contract? Most milspecs for the MX11769's are not made public. That being the case, I would be very surprised if it did come under a contract they could talk about. My personal understanding about DTG2 tubes is that they were created for an airforce contract that was later cancelled, but I've never tracked down the specific contract. I don't have any evidence for that - it's just anecdotal. You can read about all ( most ) of the contracts from the era on FBO.GOV but you're doing pretty good if you find it. What size is your halo? DTG2 tubes often come with larger halo's and support weapon use. Regards David so how would you determine this? All I have to compare to is a couple of night vision depot builds. they both had lots of chicken wire and a couple large specks of black in the outer edges, multiple pepper grain specks throughout. they had spec sheets though 
I received the ANPVS14 (finally) and am stoked it is a really bright & clean view. no anomalies. with the IR illumination on I can make out some numbers on the extreme bottom edge inside the scope which appears to be the edge face of the tube. would they be helpful in determining the tube data? would they be the mx11769 type. ie "F9815DTG2" |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:18:12 PM
Originally Posted By luckypunk:
Originally Posted By cj7hawk: Originally Posted By piston925: It would be great if TNVC could clarify what contract the DTG2 tube falls under? I purchased the milspec unit through tnvc and was told its milspec omni vii but i can't find it under any omni contract? Most milspecs for the MX11769's are not made public. That being the case, I would be very surprised if it did come under a contract they could talk about. My personal understanding about DTG2 tubes is that they were created for an airforce contract that was later cancelled, but I've never tracked down the specific contract. I don't have any evidence for that - it's just anecdotal. You can read about all ( most ) of the contracts from the era on FBO.GOV but you're doing pretty good if you find it.
What size is your halo? DTG2 tubes often come with larger halo's and support weapon use.
Regards
David so how would you determine this? All I have to compare to is a couple of night vision depot builds. they both had lots of chicken wire and a couple large specks of black in the outer edges, multiple pepper grain specks throughout. they had spec sheets though I received the ANPVS14 (finally) and am stoked it is a really bright & clean view. no anomalies. with the IR illumination on I can make out some numbers on the extreme bottom edge inside the scope which appears to be the edge face of the tube. would they be helpful in determining the tube data? would they be the mx11769 type. ie "F9815DTG2" This is how you really check a scope for quality. What your eye tells you is the most important outcome. A good clean tube with no blems? That's an excellent outcome :) Something you can be happy with. It's probably a F9815DTG2 but I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's not much to gain by knowing.
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Posted: 8/18/2012 12:42:35 AM
Ok, this is as good as it's going to get with a nikonD40 in one hand pressed against PVS & 3 shots of tequila onboard
couldn't get a star to halo, almost, a plane or (holy shit there are a lot of satellites) did, but not long enough to capture. light source is a tlr2 visible laser 30-35' away. focus isn't on the stars per se, more on the laser. through the scope you can see a medium bright circle around a pinpoint dot. (this will work pretty good for targeting it seems) what you can't see in the photo is my lab climbing the wall on a mission to destroy the dot
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Posted: 8/18/2012 3:37:06 AM
Not the easiest photo to work from - you have secondary halo as well, but good enough for an estimate.
Anyway, without knowing the size of the source, I'd assume your halo to be somewhere in the 1.0mm to 1.1mm range. Quite suitable for mounting on an AR15 or similar calibre.
Nice image too - looks like you have a nice scope :)
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