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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:23:34 PM
[Last Edit: 6/13/2012 8:27:01 PM by HighInput]
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I can confirm that there is -as of now- only one J-Arm for the MUM. I can also confirm that each and every MUM I have used (7 or 8) had considerable "play" between the little housing-mounted rail and the J-Arm. why that is escapes me, seems the the rail just needs to be a tad wider or the corresponding slot in the J-Arm a tad narrower. anyways, my advice is to get some sort of bungee retention lanyard. this will a) put tension on the whole setup and keep it from wiggling around and b) keep the scope from falling to the ground should it ever slip out of the mount, be released by accident (e.g. while adjusting the mount by feel) or should any component break while you smack your noggin' into stuff. you will, btw 
regarding mounts, I do love WilcoX but in my experience the higher-end Norotos mounts allow the scope to be moved closer to your eye...might depend on helmet, head size/shape and user preference but I've heard others say the same thing. so, optimum is Ops Core Base Jump helmet (if no ballistic prot. req.) with a Norotos AKA II , in my opinion. just make sure the mount is the one that accepts the MUM's J-Arm. it's the one that fits PVS-7B/D as well, btw. THEN, you might want to consider a counter weight (optional since MUM is light), then add the TNVC Velcro Patch and an S&S IR strobe to avoid friendly fire  and you are set up like a Boss.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:10:09 PM
Originally Posted By supplex:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By supplex:
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/process_engineers/ad2f0a12.jpg Just got this put together, might need to get a more adjustable mount and/or play with the fitment some more. Having a bit of trouble getting the monocular angled down far enough to line up, maybe I got a funny shaped head
Not a big fan of the j arm I have and the attachment points could be improved for less play.  You really need to look into a more modern swing arm setup. The Notoros AKA2 and dual dovetail adapter are amazing and you can position stuff perfectly while locked up solid. It's expensive, but totally worth it, especially if you're currently using $50 worth of USGI gear on a $1K helmet Do they make dovetails for MUMs? I was of the understanding the MUM uses PVS-14 accessories. If so, the dual dovetail adapter just screws in where the PVS-14s J-Arm goes ETA: Guess it doesn't use the arm accessories. 
Guy on this page says he tapped the mount for the standard style threads so he could attach it to a camera tripod. Maybe something you could do in order to use a nicer J-Arm? I'm going to investigate this and give it a try. I'll update this thread when I do. I called and was told there is only one j arm for the mum. My plan is to purchase an aka2 which comes with a bayonet style adaptor. Also pick up a Wilcox j arm, if I can tap the threads on the mum mount and securely fasten the pvs j arm onto the mum, it might be a slick setup. If that doesn't work the mum mounting point should still work with the standard j arm and I could go to plan b
It can be hit or miss combining Norotos and Wilcox Dovetails. The TNVC crew has said as much. Personally I own a AKA2/Dual-Dovetail setup and an older Wilcox 3-hole mount setup. While the dovetail adapter clicks into the wilcox, there's a decent amount of play, leading me to believe that a wilcox clipped into the Norotos would be too tight. I can't believe there's absolutely no choice for MUM J-Arms. There's not much for the PVS-14, so it's understandable, but it still sucks for you guys. With the weight difference, I bet the MUM would be more popular if there were more compatible mounts. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:30:46 PM
Originally Posted By HighInput:
*** page 21 ownage yay ***
I can confirm that there is -as of now- only one J-Arm for the MUM. After doing some research, I have found this to be the case. Why there is not a aluminum or titanium option, just basically sucks. At least one that fits more securely and doesn't wiggle as much. I talked with Steve at USNV today (super nice guy btw and seemingly very knowledgeable), I asked him about this. We talked about how many mum's were out there vs pvs'. the difference is staggering, like 3-5000 mums vs 200K+ of Pvs' This is prob part of the reason there is very little aftermarket accesories for the mum, it just doesn't pencil out for guys like wilcox or norotos to build mounts and j arms for the mums. soun ds like a business opportunity
I can also confirm that each and every MUM I have used (7 or 8) had considerable "play" between the little housing-mounted rail and the J-Arm. why that is escapes me, seems the the rail just needs to be a tad wider or the corresponding slot in the J-Arm a tad narrower. for me, its not just the play between the j arm and the mum mount, but the play in the articulating portion of the j arm. lots of play IMO, especially for something that has to line up to a users eye anyways, my advice is to get some sort of bungee retention lanyard. this will a) put tension on the whole setup and keep it from wiggling around and b) keep the scope from falling to the ground should it ever slip out of the mount, be released by accident (e.g. while adjusting the mount by feel) or should any component break while you smack your noggin' into stuff.you will, btw
I've already got something jerry rigged with paracord and the bungees on the ops core, it actually helps a bunch. but it chaps my ass that I have to use these things on a 4000$ setup 
regarding mounts, I do love WilcoX but in my experience the higher-end Norotos mounts allow the scope to be moved closer to your eye...might depend on helmet, head size/shape and user preference but I've heard others say the same thing. so, optimum is Ops Core Base Jump helmet (if no ballistic prot. req.) with a Norotos AKA II , in my opinion. just make sure the mount is the one that accepts the MUM's J-Arm. it's the one that fits PVS-7B/D as well, btw. THEN, you might want to consider a counter weight (optional since MUM is light), then add the TNVC Velcro Patch and an S&S IR strobe to avoid friendly fire and you are set up like a Boss.
done and done...package inbound from TNVC
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:33:20 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By supplex:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By supplex:
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/process_engineers/ad2f0a12.jpg Just got this put together, might need to get a more adjustable mount and/or play with the fitment some more. Having a bit of trouble getting the monocular angled down far enough to line up, maybe I got a funny shaped head
Not a big fan of the j arm I have and the attachment points could be improved for less play. You really need to look into a more modern swing arm setup. The Notoros AKA2 and dual dovetail adapter are amazing and you can position stuff perfectly while locked up solid. It's expensive, but totally worth it, especially if you're currently using $50 worth of USGI gear on a $1K helmet Do they make dovetails for MUMs? I was of the understanding the MUM uses PVS-14 accessories. If so, the dual dovetail adapter just screws in where the PVS-14s J-Arm goes ETA: Guess it doesn't use the arm accessories.
Guy on this page says he tapped the mount for the standard style threads so he could attach it to a camera tripod. Maybe something you could do in order to use a nicer J-Arm? I'm going to investigate this and give it a try. I'll update this thread when I do. I called and was told there is only one j arm for the mum. My plan is to purchase an aka2 which comes with a bayonet style adaptor. Also pick up a Wilcox j arm, if I can tap the threads on the mum mount and securely fasten the pvs j arm onto the mum, it might be a slick setup. If that doesn't work the mum mounting point should still work with the standard j arm and I could go to plan b
It can be hit or miss combining Norotos and Wilcox Dovetails. The TNVC crew has said as much. Personally I own a AKA2/Dual-Dovetail setup and an older Wilcox 3-hole mount setup. While the dovetail adapter clicks into the wilcox, there's a decent amount of play, leading me to believe that a wilcox clipped into the Norotos would be too tight. I can't believe there's absolutely no choice for MUM J-Arms. There's not much for the PVS-14, so it's understandable, but it still sucks for you guys. With the weight difference, I bet the MUM would be more popular if there were more compatible mounts. thanks for the tip on wilcox/norotos compatability! the whole j arm thing chaps my ass honestly. again...business opportunity 
I know a few people with CAD CAM capability, I'm gonna hit them up to see what it would take to make something work. Or I just might hit the EE up with my mum and go the PVS route
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Posted: 6/14/2012 7:23:09 AM
Originally Posted By supplex:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By supplex:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By supplex:
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/process_engineers/ad2f0a12.jpg Just got this put together, might need to get a more adjustable mount and/or play with the fitment some more. Having a bit of trouble getting the monocular angled down far enough to line up, maybe I got a funny shaped head
Not a big fan of the j arm I have and the attachment points could be improved for less play. You really need to look into a more modern swing arm setup. The Notoros AKA2 and dual dovetail adapter are amazing and you can position stuff perfectly while locked up solid. It's expensive, but totally worth it, especially if you're currently using $50 worth of USGI gear on a $1K helmet Do they make dovetails for MUMs? I was of the understanding the MUM uses PVS-14 accessories. If so, the dual dovetail adapter just screws in where the PVS-14s J-Arm goes ETA: Guess it doesn't use the arm accessories.
Guy on this page says he tapped the mount for the standard style threads so he could attach it to a camera tripod. Maybe something you could do in order to use a nicer J-Arm? I'm going to investigate this and give it a try. I'll update this thread when I do. I called and was told there is only one j arm for the mum. My plan is to purchase an aka2 which comes with a bayonet style adaptor. Also pick up a Wilcox j arm, if I can tap the threads on the mum mount and securely fasten the pvs j arm onto the mum, it might be a slick setup. If that doesn't work the mum mounting point should still work with the standard j arm and I could go to plan b
It can be hit or miss combining Norotos and Wilcox Dovetails. The TNVC crew has said as much. Personally I own a AKA2/Dual-Dovetail setup and an older Wilcox 3-hole mount setup. While the dovetail adapter clicks into the wilcox, there's a decent amount of play, leading me to believe that a wilcox clipped into the Norotos would be too tight. I can't believe there's absolutely no choice for MUM J-Arms. There's not much for the PVS-14, so it's understandable, but it still sucks for you guys. With the weight difference, I bet the MUM would be more popular if there were more compatible mounts. thanks for the tip on wilcox/norotos compatability! the whole j arm thing chaps my ass honestly. again...business opportunity
I know a few people with CAD CAM capability, I'm gonna hit them up to see what it would take to make something work. Or I just might hit the EE up with my mum and go the PVS route
I do like the weight savings and water tightness of the mum though wouldn't something like this work: http://www.ccddirect.com/store/catalog/mounts_page_1.html I know a mum specific version would be needed, but something like these should be easy to fabricate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 10:26:16 AM
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wouldn't something like this work: http://www.ccddirect.com/store/catalog/mounts_page_1.html I know a mum specific version would be needed, but something like these should be easy to fabricate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile that's what I am talking about. A mount that can be swapped in place on a mum to accept PVS mounts and j arms. |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:45:11 PM
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Slight helmet upgrade.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:43:02 AM
SLIGHT?
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:56:56 PM
Originally Posted By TNVC: SLIGHT? NICE kit! Vic Courtesy of TNVC.
Only thing a ninja is missing is the DBAL-D2.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:16:19 PM
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
SLIGHT?
NICE kit! Vic
Courtesy of TNVC. Only thing a ninja is missing is the DBAL-D2. Standing by. Btw, Jamie did a great job getting the helmet to me fast. damn it, i want an air frame but my head is too big and i'm worried the ballistic opscore won't fit either |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:43:23 PM
You and me are lucky- Ops Core is going to start making the FAST ballistic in size XXL this year..
Hopefully TNVC will carry it? Originally Posted By BadSVT:
Originally Posted By Spikes08:
Originally Posted By TNVC:
SLIGHT?
NICE kit! Vic
Courtesy of TNVC. Only thing a ninja is missing is the DBAL-D2. Standing by. Btw, Jamie did a great job getting the helmet to me fast. damn it, i want an air frame but my head is too big and i'm worried the ballistic opscore won't fit either |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:49:42 PM
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You and me are lucky- Ops Core is going to start making the FAST ballistic in size XXL this year.. Hopefully TNVC will carry it? Originally Posted By BadSVT:
Originally Posted By Spikes08:
Originally Posted By TNVC:
SLIGHT?
NICE kit! Vic
Courtesy of TNVC. Only thing a ninja is missing is the DBAL-D2. Standing by. Btw, Jamie did a great job getting the helmet to me fast. damn it, i want an air frame but my head is too big and i'm worried the ballistic opscore won't fit either hell yes, that's some great news. Maybe I can wear my ear pro under my helmet without it crushing my skull |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:54:09 PM
Originally Posted By BadSVT:
Originally Posted By Ahab:
You and me are lucky- Ops Core is going to start making the FAST ballistic in size XXL this year.. Hopefully TNVC will carry it? Originally Posted By BadSVT:
Originally Posted By Spikes08:
Originally Posted By TNVC:
SLIGHT?
NICE kit! Vic
Courtesy of TNVC. Only thing a ninja is missing is the DBAL-D2. Standing by. Btw, Jamie did a great job getting the helmet to me fast. damn it, i want an air frame but my head is too big and i'm worried the ballistic opscore won't fit either hell yes, that's some great news. Maybe I can wear my ear pro under my helmet without it crushing my skull Sweet...cant wait |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 2:38:28 PM
After putting this through some mock combat last night and wearing it for almost 3 hours I really really really REALLY like this ops core helmet. Its so stable, my neck is a little sore and could use a small counterweight which is in the works as well as adding some more IR lights to the rig and a v lite.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 1:47:50 PM
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Adams Anvis mount in tan.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 5:22:01 PM
[Last Edit: 6/30/2012 5:23:23 PM by SigOwner_P229]
Ok, I looked through most of the replies on here and didn't see much that helps me. I apologize if its there and I just missed it.
Is there a reasonably affordable way to get set up with a helmet (skateboard helmet) for use with Wilcox style dove-tail devices? From everything I see it looks like the only options are to buy a VAS shroud or similar and then buy a Wilcox mount, which appears to a $500+ endeavor just for the shroud and mount. Is there a cheaper option out there? I already have stuff to mount the PVS14 "spear" style stuff, and I have the goofy non-flip-up facemount for the wilcox dovetail, but I'd like to get some type of helmet setup for better stability and add flip-up versatility without breaking the bank. |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 5:46:49 PM
Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229:
Ok, I looked through most of the replies on here and didn't see much that helps me. I apologize if its there and I just missed it. Is there a reasonably affordable way to get set up with a helmet (skateboard helmet) for use with Wilcox style dove-tail devices? From everything I see it looks like the only options are to buy a VAS shroud or similar and then buy a Wilcox mount, which appears to a $500+ endeavor just for the shroud and mount. Is there a cheaper option out there? I already have stuff to mount the PVS14 "spear" style stuff, and I have the goofy non-flip-up facemount for the wilcox dovetail, but I'd like to get some type of helmet setup for better stability and add flip-up versatility without breaking the bank. Dovetail stuff is expensive whether is be Wilcox or Norotos. I don't think there's an easy or cheap way to do it. Bayonet mount stuff is cheaper, but even then only the USGI stuff is actually cheap. Get a Protech or Ops Core helmet and use a USGI rhino and j-arm, then set start saving for a quality setup. You can occasionally find the high end stuff on the EE, but its hard to come by. I picked up a $150 Norotos Dovetail adapter for $70, but I had to jump on it quick. |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 9:53:28 PM
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Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229:
Ok, I looked through most of the replies on here and didn't see much that helps me. I apologize if its there and I just missed it. Is there a reasonably affordable way to get set up with a helmet (skateboard helmet) for use with Wilcox style dove-tail devices? From everything I see it looks like the only options are to buy a VAS shroud or similar and then buy a Wilcox mount, which appears to a $500+ endeavor just for the shroud and mount. Is there a cheaper option out there? I already have stuff to mount the PVS14 "spear" style stuff, and I have the goofy non-flip-up facemount for the wilcox dovetail, but I'd like to get some type of helmet setup for better stability and add flip-up versatility without breaking the bank. use a USGI rhino and j-arm I wish I could. If I could I'd already be set. Unfortunately I've recently purchased some NVGs that have the Wilcox dovetail permanently affixed to them and a j-arm isn't an option. Guess I'll stick with my cheap goofy face mount setup. I may be able to adapt that to a helmet somehow, I'll have to look into that. |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 10:11:58 PM
Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229:
Ok, I looked through most of the replies on here and didn't see much that helps me. I apologize if its there and I just missed it. Is there a reasonably affordable way to get set up with a helmet (skateboard helmet) for use with Wilcox style dove-tail devices? From everything I see it looks like the only options are to buy a VAS shroud or similar and then buy a Wilcox mount, which appears to a $500+ endeavor just for the shroud and mount. Is there a cheaper option out there? I already have stuff to mount the PVS14 "spear" style stuff, and I have the goofy non-flip-up facemount for the wilcox dovetail, but I'd like to get some type of helmet setup for better stability and add flip-up versatility without breaking the bank. use a USGI rhino and j-arm I wish I could. If I could I'd already be set. Unfortunately I've recently purchased some NVGs that have the Wilcox dovetail permanently affixed to them and a j-arm isn't an option. Guess I'll stick with my cheap goofy face mount setup. I may be able to adapt that to a helmet somehow, I'll have to look into that. What kind of NODs are they? PVS-18s? Ebay sometimes has good deals on Wilcox equipment if you pay attention |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 7:17:04 PM
[Last Edit: 7/3/2012 8:28:40 PM by E98T]
Disregard!!
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Posted: 7/1/2012 9:08:17 PM
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Posted: 7/1/2012 10:36:50 PM
Thats a hell of a deal, if it isn't stolen. If it is, its a $3000 money burning experiment, complete with a visit with men in nice suits. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:38:20 AM
Seller's only recent feedback is a negative for takin money and never shipping. Hmm...
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Posted: 7/2/2012 8:48:19 AM
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 8:48:48 AM by Cavguy]
I would never pay that kind of $$ for something from a seller with a name like airsoftsquadron....
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:49:22 PM
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 1:53:22 PM by great308]
Maybe its just me but it seems he does not know left from right...as he says map light and ir (Bee-ken?) above the left rail but it would be right rail.
As the saying goes if its too good to be true. It might show up being a cheapo helmet and dummy PVS... Nothing in the wording leads me to anything about the PVS other than it works 100%. What is 100% working, I mean a dummy set you can see through so if their dummy and nothing wrong internally or externally then they work 100%. I don't see any pictures through the tubes or even an attempt to show they even turn on. Big time pass. And their none refundable, I wonder why. |
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