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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:04:29 PM EDT
[#1]
I scan them, then stick them in the safe.
I've never been asked about my stamps by anyone but could pull them up on my phone if necessary. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:10:29 PM EDT
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My dealer suggested I have 2 color full size copies and 2 shrunken color copies per stamp and laminated.Then have the originals laminated. What do you guys do with them? Scan them once, and do printouts from the scans after that. If you want to laminate your copies, fine - but not really needed since you can always print new ones, and carry the scanned files on your phone or laptop. Color printouts or B&W don't matter - guess that's just personal preference. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:16:15 PM EDT
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i thought color copies were not allowed? i keep them in folder in one of my safes. i have a shrunken laminated copy of my trust in my range bag
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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:31:04 PM EDT
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i thought color copies were not allowed? With the ATF now providing E-Form approvals in the form of a color PDF, though, the point seems to be becoming moot in this modern era. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:51:22 PM EDT
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Technically, they aren't, at least not full size or without a visual indication they're a reproduction. With the ATF now providing E-Form approvals in the form of a color PDF, though, the point seems to be becoming moot in this modern era. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 2:14:42 PM EDT
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Technically they are -- all the stamps we've seen are cancelled (i.e. serial written on them) and thus are no longer obligations or securities of the Federal government. Most of the prohibitions in 18 USC Chapter 25 specify that there must be "intent to defraud" so as long as you aren't scanning and photoshopping in a new serial number in hopes of creating a fake Form 4 then you should have nothing to be concerned about in the unlikely event your scanned copies are inspected by a USSS agent tasked with enforcement of counterfeiting laws. 
Printed illustrations of United States and foreign stamps are permissible for any non-fraudulent purpose. Black and white illustrations of uncanceled United States and foreign postage stamps are permissible in any size. Color illustrations of uncanceled United States and foreign postage stamps must be less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half times the size of the genuine stamp. Canceled United States and foreign postage stamps may be of any size whether the illustrations are in color or black and white. Note: Canceled U.S. and foreign postage stamps must bear an official cancellation mark, i.e., the stamps must have been used for postage. Also, the plates and negatives, including glossy prints, of any United States or foreign obligations must be destroyed after their final use for the purpose for which they were made. Printed illustrations of United States and foreign revenue stamps are permissible in black and white only. There are no size restrictions for revenue stamps. There's no differentiation listed for cancelled/uncancelled. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 2:37:55 PM EDT
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Scan on home computer that gets backed up, copy on phone. Printed copy in range bag. Printed copy sent with item if being shipped for repair, or mod on a SBR. Original in safe.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 2:38:28 PM EDT
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I keep my originals in a safe deposit box and have laminated copies at home and in the range bag.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 2:56:35 PM EDT
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I keep a digital copy of all of them in my email so I can get to them if needed, and keep the originals in a lock box.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 3:26:09 PM EDT
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Technically, that's not what the Secret Service says... So I referred to US Code. It's my own (not a lawyer) judgement that a cancelled stamp doesn't represent a security or obligation of the United States but as long as that's true then we're good to go. If it does, then one has to get lost in a maze of "with intent to defraud" clauses. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 4:04:26 PM EDT
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I do want to echo the "don't laminate the originals" recommendation from earlier.
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I went to the USSS site but it seems they are 100% focused on recruiting (wonder why) and no longer provide (easily findable, anyway) resources and guides for such things. So I referred to US Code. It's my own (not a lawyer) judgement that a cancelled stamp doesn't represent a security or obligation of the United States but as long as that's true then we're good to go. If it does, then one has to get lost in a maze of "with intent to defraud" clauses. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 4:41:18 PM EDT
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Color copies in range bag/gun cases. Originals in safe.
Twisted up color reduced copy inside LMT stock. 
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Posted: 7/21/2017 9:52:03 PM EDT
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I do want to echo the "don't laminate the originals" recommendation from earlier. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:52:14 PM EDT
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What's the reason? I ask as a friend has ALL his approved F1s and F4s laminated, stamps and all. Just no reason to do it. Make copies, laminate copies, but leave originals in the safe. @FredMan, here you go: click me (see tony_k's initial reply) |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 3:48:19 PM EDT
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Because if the really rare chance that it would ever need to be done, you'd have trouble authenticating a document that had been laminated. There's at least one instance of it happening. Just no reason to do it. Make copies, laminate copies, but leave originals in the safe. @FredMan, here you go: click me (see tony_k's initial reply) |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 5:26:56 PM EDT
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Thnx. Mine are all unlaminated, and I really hate to tell my buddy now since he'll feel like an idiot and I'll be the bad guy.
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