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Posted: 6/29/2017 5:53:56 PM EDT
FFL/SOT here.

The past two form form 4's we've sent into the NFA Branch, two+ weeks apart, have been destroyed by the Atlanta post office. The NFA branch returned one of them to me and the entire paperwork was covered in what looked to be ink and coffee. Sent first class mail.

Today I received a call from an agent saying they received another form 4 from us that was destroyed and described in similar condition. This form was mailed USPS Priority 5/2 and delivered 6/20.

Both forms had an apology letter from the post office. First customer had to drive 200 miles to submit the form, another one had to take an airplane into town (Alaska).

Anyone else have this happen to them?
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 6:05:53 PM EDT
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Not good, just sent one this week.
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 6:13:43 PM EDT
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You may want to contact your local postmaster.....  those postal inspectors need work too.....   probably some left looney that has discovered he/she/it can disrupt....    good luck with it OP 
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 7:11:15 PM EDT
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This would be my guess as well. Two times is more than a coincidence.

USPS - Office of Inspector General
(404) 507-8301
245 Peachtree Center AVE NE
Fulton, GA 30303-1222
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 9:13:57 PM EDT
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This would be my guess as well. Two times is more than a coincidence.

USPS - Office of Inspector General
(404) 507-8301
245 Peachtree Center AVE NE
Fulton, GA 30303-1222
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probably some left looney that has discovered he/she/it can disrupt.... 
This would be my guess as well. Two times is more than a coincidence.

USPS - Office of Inspector General
(404) 507-8301
245 Peachtree Center AVE NE
Fulton, GA 30303-1222
Yuuuup
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 9:45:29 PM EDT
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I came here to advise to contact the Postal Gestapo Inspectors.  Often just saying you are contacting the Postal Inspectors will magically solve the problem!
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 9:55:07 PM EDT
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I came here to advise to contact the Postal Gestapo Inspectors.  Often just saying you are contacting the Postal Inspectors will magically solve the problem!
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In this case I would go all the way. No threats, just do. Fuck whatever shitstain is doing this willfully

ETA

If we get a sting going to see who it was, can we get expedited form approval?
I volunteer my trust to go in undercover.
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 10:19:51 PM EDT
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The deep state includes little old ladies in post office hubs...
Link Posted: 6/29/2017 10:53:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/30/2017 11:00:28 PM EDT
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In this case I would go all the way. No threats, just do.
I agree.....  this is more than just oops...   this has the potential to does affect your business, by complicating legal federal firearms transfers, as well as putting sensitive federal tax paperwork at risk.   I am sure the moron who keeps "spilling" has no idea how serious the ATF/FBI (and hopefully postal inspectors) take fooling with federal tax documents.   

Please keep us posted OP, I would hope you would get some good attention to this. 
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 12:45:18 AM EDT
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I am sure the moron who keeps "spilling" has no idea how serious the ATF/FBI (and hopefully postal inspectors) take fooling with federal tax documents.
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And they won't know (or care) until they get arrested. You should do your very best to get them arrested for it.
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 9:52:54 PM EDT
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I agree.....  this is more than just oops...   this has the potential to does affect your business, by complicating legal federal firearms transfers, as well as putting sensitive federal tax paperwork at risk.   I am sure the moron who keeps "spilling" has no idea how serious the ATF/FBI (and hopefully postal inspectors) take fooling with federal tax documents.   

Please keep us posted OP, I would hope you would get some good attention to this. 
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yep, that's the angle to push. Even slacker agents are gonna frown and shake their head at some clown postal worker F'ing with tax forms.
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:04:58 PM EDT
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This is exactly what happened to two of my forms. 
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:12:48 PM EDT
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How long ago was it?
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:15:04 PM EDT
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Here is one the ATF sent back

Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:27:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:33:57 PM EDT
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This is disgusting. Never would have happened if we could still use eforms....
Link Posted: 7/1/2017 10:54:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/2/2017 12:56:03 AM EDT
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My FFL notified me. It was about a month ago that the forms were returned. I don't have the forms. I sent him a link to this thread and he said that's what happened to them. 
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 3:33:15 PM EDT
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What is that!? That is not coffee.
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 3:46:15 PM EDT
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ink
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 6:54:52 PM EDT
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Intentional the only ink in the postal service should be RED for the machine cancellations.  All other imprints are thermal receipts.  Someone is messing with the paperwork. :-!  Oh, federal crime!
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 7:04:21 PM EDT
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Is Fedex or UPS an option at this point?
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 8:25:58 PM EDT
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Federal tax Documents should not be tampered with.  By anyone, including government employees.

That's all I have to say.
Link Posted: 7/2/2017 10:34:19 PM EDT
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They didn't spill ink on them. They spilled a liquid, probably hot, and it caused the ink on the forms to run and pool. It probably was coffee.

Anyway, if they were all destroyed the same way, it points to M.O. and someone other than the perpetrator has probably witnessed it happening. Hopefully they were especially foolish and did it on camera. 
Link Posted: 7/3/2017 3:36:18 AM EDT
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printed text on the page displays minimal issues with it's ink from the exposure to the hot liquid...I'm guessing the fingerprint card ink was the source of the super dark stains in the lower right of the page shown.
Link Posted: 7/3/2017 4:20:04 AM EDT
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The IG takes the shit very seriously. Call them.
Link Posted: 7/3/2017 5:23:54 AM EDT
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Nice pen

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Link Posted: 7/3/2017 5:58:12 PM EDT
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That's beyond shitty, I'm about to send a Form 1 and a Form 4. Does it help to send it Certified or Registered? Registered is the most secure way to mail, but it's sllloooww as f*#k. It's not like they're getting your stamp back to you in hurry. Most recent TAs I've seen on F1's was damn near 1year. Government inefficiency is amazing.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 10:17:46 PM EDT
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This thread had me nervous but I see my check was cashed Friday so I guess I got lucky.
Link Posted: 7/6/2017 3:37:56 PM EDT
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My FFL notified me. It was about a month ago that the forms were returned. I don't have the forms. I sent him a link to this thread and he said that's what happened to them. 
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Please have your FFL contact

USPS - Office of Inspector General
(404) 507-8301
245 Peachtree Center AVE NE
Fulton, GA 30303-1222

and file a complaint as I have done today.


I called today and said they are going to investigate. It would help if they had more collaboration.
Link Posted: 7/12/2017 6:56:44 PM EDT
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If you sent it with a tracking number, did it show as being delivered?  If not, what was the last reported zip code before the form went missing?



I have one that was supposed to arrive today, but it has shown this all day:

July 12, 2017, 5:04 am  Departed USPS Destination Facility   ATLANTA, GA 30320
Link Posted: 7/13/2017 11:38:50 PM EDT
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I mailed one Monday 7-10, according to tracking, it made there. I guess I won't know for sure until the check is deposited. That's pretty meaningless as well too. So I guess I'll see in about 11 months.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 10:17:47 PM EDT
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Probably just a one or two time thing. I had two hit my CC in the last 2 weeks.
Link Posted: 7/18/2017 6:19:03 AM EDT
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I had a form 1 disappear in Atlanta for 10 days, priority certified. Finally delivered after multiple missing mails reports filed. 6/1-6/10.

I'm guessing mine is gonna end up being in similar condition
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 8:23:31 AM EDT
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I recommend using this envelope as the outer packaging.  Use one of the stiff cardboard envelopes to put your paperwork in, and then enclose in this USPS Tyvek envelope.  Seal the flap with packing tape.
They will have a hard time "spilling" something on it.

https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?productId=P_EP_14
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 11:31:52 AM EDT
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I put the paperwork in one of those brown Kraft paper envelopes (sealed), and put that inside the USPS Priority envelope.  My check cleared my bank last week so it looks like everything was received just fine.
Link Posted: 8/2/2017 6:27:45 PM EDT
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Having contacted the post office several times about their lazy ass mail carriers, I seriously doubt anything will be done.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 3:28:37 PM EDT
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Tagged
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 4:37:48 PM EDT
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Mailed 2 Form 4's on 8-11 the checks both cleared my account today 8-15 so looks like they made it.  I had each Form 4 in its own manilla envelope addressed to BATFE.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 8:36:20 PM EDT
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Those guys do NOT fuck around.  They hunted down one of our Postal Clerks who deserted after validating a bunch of money orders to himself.
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 11:06:21 AM EDT
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Yep I second the post inspector reach out.
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 1:10:53 PM EDT
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Tag for outcome 
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 2:11:43 PM EDT
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity


This is the post office we're talking about after all.
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 2:16:01 PM EDT
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OST
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 2:26:14 PM EDT
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Have no idea what happened, but when you send documents via priority mail they get tossed into hampers with other parcels, and if any of those other parcels happen to be a leaker (it happens a lot) then it's possible your documents will be impacted. The Tyvek envelopes mentioned above are pretty good defense to this.
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 4:21:59 PM EDT
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Motto to live by. Especially in the .gov and .mil
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 4:33:46 PM EDT
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