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Posted: 8/12/2016 8:53:27 PM EDT
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Form 4, individual to a trust: Mailed April 7 Approved August 5 Rec'd August 12 Not bad... but I expect a massive slowdown as they hit the June forms... |
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Posted: 8/12/2016 9:25:42 PM EDT
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I've got Form 4s from January 5 and 11 still pending.  It's August 12 and I'm still waiting on these. 
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Posted: 8/12/2016 9:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's August 12 and I'm still waiting on these. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've got Form 4s from January 5 and 11 still pending. It's August 12 and I'm still waiting on these. 2012 to the end of 2014 timeframe.
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Posted: 8/15/2016 7:57:28 AM EDT
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Form 4, individual to a trust: Mailed April 7 Approved August 5 Rec'd August 12 Wow! First 4 I've seen reported in a while and I think the first one I've hard about after Jan. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 8:10:24 AM EDT
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Wow! First 4 I've seen reported in a while and I think the first one I've hard about after Jan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Form 4, individual to a trust: Mailed April 7 Approved August 5 Rec'd August 12 Wow! First 4 I've seen reported in a while and I think the first one I've hard about after Jan. Let me clarify, it was to a SOT, so 4 months isn't exactly a record at all. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 4:06:42 PM EDT
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Pending 2-19
Approved 8-12 F1 .30cal suppressor |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 9:10:30 AM EDT
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Received the final approved eForm 1 I was waiting on Sunday. Submitted 2/22 and approved 8/14, 175 days.
Now all I still have out there pending are several paper Form 4s. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 9:24:01 AM EDT
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2x Form 4, individual to trust, instate transfer. Mailed Feb 2, approved 8/4, rec'd 8/15.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 3:41:06 PM EDT
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Pending SBR submitted on 4/18... going to be a long wait...
I think the reason for the slow down in February is that is about the time frame when 41F was announced/was put on the books go into effect in July so people started filing a lot of forms... |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 5:34:21 PM EDT
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I sent a Form 4 Individual in, March 1st. Check cashed March 15th. Dealer called and said my stamp came in Monday.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 6:01:09 PM EDT
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I was going to buy a M10 from a friend but I don't want to wait 2 years for a subgun
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Posted: 8/16/2016 6:41:48 PM EDT
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Form 3 submitted 04/20
still waiting... |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 7:01:45 PM EDT
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I just received my Gemtech Tundra. The Form 4 went in on Feb 2. So, about what I expected.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 7:06:58 PM EDT
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form 4 mailed 1-22-2016, pending 2-22-2016, still pending as of yesterday
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Posted: 8/16/2016 7:28:43 PM EDT
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Not bad... but I expect a massive slowdown as they hit the June forms... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Form 4, individual to a trust: Mailed April 7 Approved August 5 Rec'd August 12 Not bad... but I expect a massive slowdown as they hit the June forms... I've got 2 form 4's via trust pending since Feb 1. Still pending..... |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 9:03:21 AM EDT
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I was going to buy a M10 from a friend but I don't want to wait 2 years for a subgun Why not? If he's your friend, you should be able to shoot it while you wait. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 9:36:36 AM EDT
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Why not? If he's your friend, you should be able to shoot it while you wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was going to buy a M10 from a friend but I don't want to wait 2 years for a subgun Why not? If he's your friend, you should be able to shoot it while you wait. and in those 6-8 months (not 2 years), the value of it has prob increased while you are shooting it.. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 11:02:11 AM EDT
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and in those 6-8 months (not 2 years), the value of it has prob increased while you are shooting it.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was going to buy a M10 from a friend but I don't want to wait 2 years for a subgun Why not? If he's your friend, you should be able to shoot it while you wait. and in those 6-8 months (not 2 years), the value of it has prob increased while you are shooting it.. I sure as hell wouldn't wait. In 2014, WA approved SBRs again. Then in May 2015, they decided it wasn't written to allow Form 1 SBRs and all our pending Form 1s got denied. Now finally, June 2016 Form 1 SBRs are allowed again. Election coming in November, with long wait times, I wouldn't hesitate to get something in the queue. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 7:46:15 AM EDT
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 10:34:21 AM EDT
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. 
Wish theyd approve mine from 3/6 |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 1:35:34 PM EDT
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects.
Wish theyd approve mine from 3/6 Hopefully soon. My 3/2 submission was approved yesterday(8/17). So in theory you should have yours next Monday. 
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Posted: 8/18/2016 2:22:03 PM EDT
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batch approval! nice!
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Posted: 8/18/2016 5:51:46 PM EDT
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batch approval! nice! Will be nice if they decide to start doing that now. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 6:27:19 PM EDT
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 6:30:03 PM EDT
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Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers has been doing batch approvals lately. Jason Frushour is not currently doing them. (This info accurate as of late July). |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 12:38:34 AM EDT
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Jason Bowers has been doing batch approvals lately. Jason Frushour is not currently doing them. (This info accurate as of late July). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers has been doing batch approvals lately. Jason Frushour is not currently doing them. (This info accurate as of late July). Allow me a dumb question. Are batch approvals when they pull up one of your forms in the que and then approve any later ones you have pending? |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 12:39:43 AM EDT
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Double tap....
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:33:54 AM EDT
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Allow me a dumb question. Are batch approvals when they pull up one of your forms in the que and then approve any later ones you have pending? Yes. Jason and Ted are about the only ones I've ever seen do it, which is why I asked. It would indicate no new process is happening. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:30:50 AM EDT
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I predict the submissions made around/after the change will hit 14+ months based on these charts (low end)
ETA: for argument sake figure a single form takes 5 mins, in an 8 hour day they could process approx 100 forms/ea with 10 examiners that would be 1,000 forms/day multiply that by 261 working days in a yr and you get 261,000 forms processed/yr (if they were basically robots) |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:48:20 AM EDT
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I predict the submissions made around/after the change will hit 14+ months based on these charts (low end) https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2016/06/2016-number-of-nfa-forms-processed-by-fiscal-year.gif https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2016/07/firarms-processed-2015.gif How do they process more NFA firearms than forms? I would expect the forms to be much higher than firearms considering you'd have form 3 and form 4 if buying out of state. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:50:16 AM EDT
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How do they process more NFA firearms than forms? I would expect the forms to be much higher than firearms considering you'd have form 3 and form 4 if buying out of state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I predict the submissions made around/after the change will hit 14+ months based on these charts (low end) https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2016/06/2016-number-of-nfa-forms-processed-by-fiscal-year.gif https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2016/07/firarms-processed-2015.gif How do they process more NFA firearms than forms? I would expect the forms to be much higher than firearms considering you'd have form 3 and form 4 if buying out of state. Military and Leo? |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 10:39:41 AM EDT
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ETA: for argument sake figure a single form takes 5 mins, in an 8 hour day they could process approx 100 forms/ea with 10 examiners that would be 1,000 forms/day multiply that by 261 working days in a yr and you get 261,000 forms processed/yr (if they were basically robots) Approvals may well take over a year for the 41F glut, but I would suggest that the math above is likely off base. We know that when the examiners get behind they are authorized to work unlimited overtime. People are getting approvals at 2am on Sundays etc. I'm guessing the "8 hour day" part of the equation is inaccurate during such high volume times. My guess is, everyone in that office is milking the hell out of that cow so they can rake in the ot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 11:03:48 AM EDT
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Approvals may well take over a year for the 41F glut, but I would suggest that the math above is likely off base. We know that when the examiners get behind they are authorized to work unlimited overtime. People are getting approvals at 2am on Sundays etc. I'm guessing the "8 hour day" part of the equation is inaccurate during such high volume times. My guess is, everyone in that office is milking the hell out of that cow so they can rake in the ot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: for argument sake figure a single form takes 5 mins, in an 8 hour day they could process approx 100 forms/ea with 10 examiners that would be 1,000 forms/day multiply that by 261 working days in a yr and you get 261,000 forms processed/yr (if they were basically robots) Approvals may well take over a year for the 41F glut, but I would suggest that the math above is likely off base. We know that when the examiners get behind they are authorized to work unlimited overtime. People are getting approvals at 2am on Sundays etc. I'm guessing the "8 hour day" part of the equation is inaccurate during such high volume times. My guess is, everyone in that office is milking the hell out of that cow so they can rake in the ot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They have been behind for the last 2yrs at least I would say it takes a lot more time per form than 5 mins as well so add that into the equation.. even if you double the last figure your still only at 522k forms/yr and we know from approval times that they are still working on forms from the last fiscal yr approx 5 months into the next so they obviously are not working 16hr days. this is just a generalization, hopefully someone with more math skills can really hone it in. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 11:58:10 AM EDT
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Regardless of any math formulas or overtime or what not,
Its ridiculous for the cash we are shelling out to have these forms processed. If it was handled in the private sector more examiners would be assigned to get these things punched through more efficiently in hopes to generate more revenue. I know, I know, .gov and all, but I got a passport back in a single week and I figure more people apply for those than form 1 or form 4s |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 12:47:35 PM EDT
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ATF's 41F "Comments" section, they mention backlog going from 81,000 in Feb 2015, to 51,000 in Oct 2015. So 30,000 forms, in 5 months, with 27 examiners. Assuming they dont work OT and only 40 hours a week Mon-Fri... do the math
ATF also states they estimate 15min to conduct and review background check, with average trust/legal entity having 2 responsible persons on it. I dont know if that is in addition to processing the actual Form 4. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 1:40:31 PM EDT
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ATF's 41F "Comments" section, they mention backlog going from 81,000 in Feb 2015, to 51,000 in Oct 2015. So 30,000 forms, in 5 months, with 27 examiners. Assuming they dont work OT and only 40 hours a week Mon-Fri... do the math I don't think that's how you'd calculate it. Plus, Feb->Oct is 8 months.
It means they processed 30K more forms than were submitted during that time...basically reducing the to-do pile by 30K while items were still being added. So, it would be 30,000 plus the number of firms submitted in 8 months. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 2:16:07 PM EDT
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Jason Bowers has been doing batch approvals lately. Jason Frushour is not currently doing them. (This info accurate as of late July). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers has been doing batch approvals lately. Jason Frushour is not currently doing them. (This info accurate as of late July). Jason approved one for me last week but did not batch a couple others I had in the queue. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 2:49:58 PM EDT
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I don't think that's how you'd calculate it. Plus, Feb->Oct is 8 months.
It means they processed 30K more forms than were submitted during that time...basically reducing the to-do pile by 30K while items were still being added. So, it would be 30,000 plus the number of firms submitted in 8 months. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF's 41F "Comments" section, they mention backlog going from 81,000 in Feb 2015, to 51,000 in Oct 2015. So 30,000 forms, in 5 months, with 27 examiners. Assuming they dont work OT and only 40 hours a week Mon-Fri... do the math I don't think that's how you'd calculate it. Plus, Feb->Oct is 8 months.
It means they processed 30K more forms than were submitted during that time...basically reducing the to-do pile by 30K while items were still being added. So, it would be 30,000 plus the number of firms submitted in 8 months. I went to school in Rio, math is not an exact science. 
(and in my head I was thinking March-Sept, being 6mos, the 5 was truly a typo) I do see your point. Still, its going to take them a long while, without addition of personnel. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 4:49:37 PM EDT
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Approved!! I knew I just needed to bitch more 3/6 submit 8/19 approved Eform SBR |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 5:07:23 PM EDT
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Approved!! I knew I just needed to bitch more 3/6 submit 8/19 approved Eform SBR Good to hear! I have a couple of cans from 3/1 I am waiting on. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 8:42:04 PM EDT
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2 SBRs pending 3/11... GETTING CLOSE!
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Posted: 8/21/2016 12:56:47 AM EDT
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Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months.
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Posted: 8/21/2016 1:19:59 PM EDT
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Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months. Fingers crossed on batch approvals. With only a couple of examiners doing them, it's not very good odds. That said, I can hope! I have one eform from may and 5 more from June. Not a ton of difference, but with the post 41F wait times we're gonna see, I'll take whatever I can get! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 11:34:53 PM EDT
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Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months. Aaaaaaaaagreed
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:29:47 AM EDT
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Just had 7 E-filed form ones approved today. [8/18/2016) Submitted between 2/25/2016 and 3/26/2016. 3 SBRs, 1SBS, 3 cans. Now to find the time and money to complete these projects. Any chance Jason Bowers or Ted Clutter approved them? Jason Bowers did them. Only downside to getting that many stamps approved at once is I can't afford to complete all of the projects at once. First world problems... Guess I'm set on projects for the next 6 months. Aaaaaaaaagreed So who here has the most clout with Gary or Ted and wants to write them an email to push all the examiners to do batch approvals? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:32:25 AM EDT
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i dont think anyone here has any pull with them....though that big national suppressor association does seem to have regular/useful/productive meetings with them. Prolly the best avenue of approach.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:51:14 AM EDT
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Batch approvals will probably never happen for all the examiners if in fact they are receiving "unlimited overtime" as stated by previous posters
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:51:50 PM EDT
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Haha, please don't get any silencer organizations to write the ATF, that's how we ended up with 41F/P.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 5:52:22 PM EDT
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Haha, please don't get any silencer organizations to write the ATF, that's how we ended up with 41F/P. You're thinking of a different group. 41F came from NFATCA... Not the silencer guys... iirc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 12:46:18 AM EDT
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You're thinking of a different group. 41F came from NFATCA... Not the silencer guys... iirc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haha, please don't get any silencer organizations to write the ATF, that's how we ended up with 41F/P. You're thinking of a different group. 41F came from NFATCA... Not the silencer guys... iirc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think he was being funny
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