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Posted: 7/14/2016 7:16:03 PM EDT
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EForms coming back wasn't a surprise. Neither was the lack of a Form 1. That was the plan all along. See the first line under "Intended Use of Form" for the entity only note: http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/EFORMS/EForm6_zpsaafc13a4.jpg Precisely what I needed to see! Hopefully that will change with the 41F changes. That will make my life easier, esp with doing the fingerprints at home. Wife has access to a nice ink pad from work and I already have 20+ passport photos from my last 2 Tax Stamps. |
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Posted: 7/14/2016 7:22:51 PM EDT
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Precisely what I needed to see! Hopefully that will change with the 41F changes. That will make my life easier, esp with doing the fingerprints at home. Wife has access to a nice ink pad from work and I already have 20+ passport photos from my last 2 Tax Stamps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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EForms coming back wasn't a surprise. Neither was the lack of a Form 1. That was the plan all along. See the first line under "Intended Use of Form" for the entity only note: http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/EFORMS/EForm6_zpsaafc13a4.jpg Precisely what I needed to see! Hopefully that will change with the 41F changes. That will make my life easier, esp with doing the fingerprints at home. Wife has access to a nice ink pad from work and I already have 20+ passport photos from my last 2 Tax Stamps. |
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Posted: 7/14/2016 7:26:30 PM EDT
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Just an observation but inclusion of a person's SSN is optional on the FP card. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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added a section on filling on an FD-258LE Fingerprint Card here... ETA: if anybody that has successfully done it before would like to add something, let me know... Updated. Thanks. I assume it's like the 4473. Just there to supposedly help identify you in cases where similar names exist? |
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Posted: 7/14/2016 8:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Updated. Thanks. I assume it's like the 4473. Just there to supposedly help identify you in cases where similar names exist? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: added a section on filling on an FD-258LE Fingerprint Card here... ETA: if anybody that has successfully done it before would like to add something, let me know... Updated. Thanks. I assume it's like the 4473. Just there to supposedly help identify you in cases where similar names exist? |
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Posted: 7/15/2016 2:59:39 AM EDT
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Someone mentioned in another forum post that if you've submitted fingerprints in the last couple yrs that they can use those. You have to refer to them or something. Can someone clarify the policy because this will make me happy if valid.
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Posted: 7/15/2016 7:45:37 AM EDT
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Someone mentioned in another forum post that if you've submitted fingerprints in the last couple yrs that they can use those. You have to refer to them or something. Can someone clarify the policy because this will make me happy if valid. Someone gave you bad info. It's the way 41F was initially interpreted but it's wrong. Photos and fingerprints have to be submitted every time. Only the documentation to provide the existence of the entity gets a 24-month waiver, where you can certify it hasn't changed and reference the approved form. |
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Posted: 7/15/2016 11:19:03 AM EDT
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I've had two different people (including a well known local dealer) report back to say the ATF wants two FP cards for each serial number submitted, even when multiple forms are submitted in the same envelope. So, I've added the following note in each of the "actions to take" sections:
NOTE: The ATF is saying that two fingerprint cards are required for each serial number, even when multiple forms are submitted at the same time. This is different from how it used to work, but we won’t know for sure until somebody that submits one set for multiple forms in the 41F era reports back. The dealer said the specialist told him the forms would be "returned without action" if missing the FP cards. |
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Posted: 7/16/2016 10:17:08 PM EDT
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Sooooo................
As an individual, do I even have to print out page 3 ( that's question 15, 16 and some instructions) on the ATF Copy 2 and the CLEO Copy? the way this is now I have the first page of the CLEO Copy on the back of the last page of my copy. It says they want everything printed double sided again. |
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Posted: 7/16/2016 10:35:29 PM EDT
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Sooooo................ As an individual, do I even have to print out page 3 ( that's question 15, 16 and some instructions) on the ATF Copy 2 and the CLEO Copy? the way this is now I have the first page of the CLEO Copy on the back of the last page of my copy. It says they want everything printed double sided again. There's definitely manual intervention involved to get it printed correctly...just like the last version. Mentioned it before, but I wish it had some of those "this page intentionally left blank" pages so you could just select double-sided and print the whole thing. I see no reason you would need those pages...but at this point I'd send them. Well, I'd at least send the ATF Copy. If we find out they're not sending that page back, I'd guess people will stop sending it. You could always email them and ask. But, I've sent three with questions to the address they said to use ([email protected]) and haven't received a single response. |
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Posted: 7/16/2016 11:02:49 PM EDT
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OK, seeing as I'm going to have rotator cuff surgery I'll be the guinie pig and send in a modified Form 1.
I AM AN INDIVIDUAL here's what I'm doing. Make sure you have a good Adobe PDF Editor program. 1st, delete pages 4, 5, 6, 9, and 12. This will bring the form down from 12 pages to 7 2nd, go back in and add a blank page AFTER page 3. this will bring the form back to 8 pages. 3rd, print enabling the back to back option. What you will end up with is an ATF Form one that is 8 pages long that will print on 4 pages. The ATF copy will print on two pages, the first back to back the second page will be your payment info on one side and blank on the other. The 3rd page will be your copy back to back just like the good old days and the 4th page will be the CLEO copy. By doing this you eliminate the instructions in the middle and the two pages of responsible person's info that will be left blank by us Individual remitters anyway. |
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Posted: 7/17/2016 12:28:04 AM EDT
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And I've electronically added my photo into the form. Lets see how this plays out!
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Posted: 7/20/2016 5:09:13 AM EDT
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Question about CLEO copy. Under the instructions on the Form 1, #2-Preparation of Application and Payment of Tax / d.(6) states block 4G-serial number is obscured on CLEO copy. However, when I complete the form, the serial number is listed on the CLEO copy and I cannot remove it. SO does the CLEO copy require you to include the serial number? Do you have to include a picture as well?
Has anybody had any issues with their CLEO yet? My local one would sign the forms in the past but would require their own additional forms be completed before doing so. Can the CLEO add additional requirements under 41F for you to complete? I am not talking if state/local laws require a permit, I am just talking internal paperwork they wanted people to complete in the past. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 8:19:47 AM EDT
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Question about CLEO copy. Under the instructions on the Form 1, #2-Preparation of Application and Payment of Tax / d.(6) states block 4G-serial number is obscured on CLEO copy. However, when I complete the form, the serial number is listed on the CLEO copy and I cannot remove it. SO does the CLEO copy require you to include the serial number? Do you have to include a picture as well? Has anybody had any issues with their CLEO yet? My local one would sign the forms in the past but would require their own additional forms be completed before doing so. Can the CLEO add additional requirements under 41F for you to complete? I am not talking if state/local laws require a permit, I am just talking internal paperwork they wanted people to complete in the past. Can't see how a CLEO could add requirements under 41F. You just send them the form. I see what you're saying about the SN not being blocked out. Since it doesn't print the whole thing correctly anyway, you could always remove the SN, print the CLEO Copy, then add the SN back and print the two ATF Copies separately. If you want, go ahead and send a note to [email protected] with your info above to point out it doesn't block the SN. I still haven't received any response for the three emails I've sent, but maybe you will? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 5:33:26 PM EDT
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Someone gave you bad info. It's the way 41F was initially interpreted but it's wrong. Photos and fingerprints have to be submitted every time. Only the documentation to provide the existence of the entity gets a 24-month waiver, where you can certify it hasn't changed and reference the approved form. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone mentioned in another forum post that if you've submitted fingerprints in the last couple yrs that they can use those. You have to refer to them or something. Can someone clarify the policy because this will make me happy if valid. Someone gave you bad info. It's the way 41F was initially interpreted but it's wrong. Photos and fingerprints have to be submitted every time. Only the documentation to provide the existence of the entity gets a 24-month waiver, where you can certify it hasn't changed and reference the approved form. I know we have to wait for some approvals / denials to come in, but based on everything we know about how atf works and the crazy long delays in processing, can we ever really tell anyone that it's a good idea not to include a copy of their trust? I mean, aren't you counting on atf to have not lost the other one they got? Seems to be an unnecessary risk of a denial, doesn't it? Why not just send the trust in every time and eliminate that risk? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:17:22 PM EDT
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Is definitely send mine every time.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 1:41:32 PM EDT
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Want to give another big thanks, this time to AlabamaPaul and Silencer Loft. He took the Form 1 and formatted it so you simply fill it out, choose 2-sided, and hit print. Basically removed the instruction pages and added a couple blank pages.
Two minor changes as well, in case you notice: 1. A couple of the fields have been changed from left-justified to center-justified, which makes the form a little cleaner 2. The SN has been blocked out for the CLEO Copy, which is allowable per Instruction (2)(d)(6), but not done on the ATF's version of the form You can find the fillable & printable F1 here: Silencer Loft documents There may be a similar version of the F4 and the 5320.23 in the future. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 1:52:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Want to give another big thanks, this time to AlabamaPaul and Silencer Loft. He took the Form 1 and formatted it so you simply fill it out, choose 2-sided, and hit print. Basically removed the instruction pages and added a couple blank pages. Two minor changes as well, in case you notice: 1. A couple of the fields have been changed from left-justified to center-justified, which makes the form a little cleaner 2. The SN has been blocked out for the CLEO Copy, which is allowable per Instruction (2)(d)(6), but not done on the ATF's version of the form You can find the fillable & printable F1 here: Silencer Loft documents There may be a similar version of the F4 and the 5320.23 in the future. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 8:52:23 PM EDT
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The 5320.23 forms I downloaded are watermarked with DRAFT on them, will that be a problem?
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 5320.23 forms I downloaded are watermarked with DRAFT on them, will that be a problem? |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:20:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 5320.23 forms I downloaded are watermarked with DRAFT on them, will that be a problem? Thanks. Don't want my Form 1 getting kicked for something so utterly ridiculous....so where can I get them without the watermark? |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:21:45 PM EDT
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The 5320.23 forms I downloaded are watermarked with DRAFT on them, will that be a problem? Agreed. I know the 5320.23, F1 & F4 definitely changed from Draft version to published version. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. I know the 5320.23, F1 & F4 definitely changed from Draft version to published version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 5320.23 forms I downloaded are watermarked with DRAFT on them, will that be a problem? Agreed. I know the 5320.23, F1 & F4 definitely changed from Draft version to published version. Only variation of 5320.23 that I can find on atf.gov is the draft....  |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:26:29 PM EDT
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Only variation of 5320.23 that I can find on atf.gov is the draft.... Links to all the new forms are in the first post of this thread. ETA: here's the 5320.23: RPQ |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:48:56 PM EDT
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ATF Form 1 submission, as Individual: do all 3 Form 1s get a 2x2 photo attached?
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:17:02 PM EDT
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ATF Form 1 submission, as Individual: do all 3 Form 1s get a 2x2 photo attached? Honestly, I can read it both ways, as far as the pic on the CLEO Copy. If it was an entity application, CLEO does not get a photo on any form. Logic would say it should be the same for an individual submission...but when has the ATF ever done anything logical? ETA: the photo section is not grayed out on the CLEO Copy of the F1 like it is on the RPQ...so, I'd send one if I was filling it out. Plus, it never specifically says not to send one. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:47:54 PM EDT
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Honestly, I can read it both ways, as far as the pic on the CLEO Copy. If it was an entity application, CLEO does not get a photo on any form. Logic would say it should be the same for an individual submission...but when has the ATF ever done anything logical? ETA: the photo section is not grayed out on the CLEO Copy of the F1 like it is on the RPQ...so, I'd send one if I was filling it out. Plus, it never specifically says not to send one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF Form 1 submission, as Individual: do all 3 Form 1s get a 2x2 photo attached? Honestly, I can read it both ways, as far as the pic on the CLEO Copy. If it was an entity application, CLEO does not get a photo on any form. Logic would say it should be the same for an individual submission...but when has the ATF ever done anything logical? ETA: the photo section is not grayed out on the CLEO Copy of the F1 like it is on the RPQ...so, I'd send one if I was filling it out. Plus, it never specifically says not to send one. That was my take as well- the user in the Supressor forum, who didnt read got me to thinking about if F4 is same for Individuals and Trusts with regards to who gets what, and looks to me that Individuals need (3) 2"x2" photos, 1 per F4 copy. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:56:48 PM EDT
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That was my take as well- the user in the Supressor forum, who didnt read got me to thinking about if F4 is same for Individuals and Trusts with regards to who gets what, and looks to me that Individuals need (3) 2"x2" photos, 1 per F4 copy. Yeah...a one person entity seems to only need one pic, while an individual needs three...and the entity doesn't send a pic to CLEO while the individual does. Really doesn't make sense. FWIW...I sent an email to [email protected] to ask for clarification. We'll see how long it takes. I finally got an answer yesterday from a question I asked on the 15th. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 6:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah...a one person entity seems to only need one pic, while an individual needs three...and the entity doesn't send a pic to CLEO while the individual does. Really doesn't make sense. FWIW...I sent an email to [email protected] to ask for clarification. We'll see how long it takes. I finally got an answer yesterday from a question I asked on the 15th. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was my take as well- the user in the Supressor forum, who didnt read got me to thinking about if F4 is same for Individuals and Trusts with regards to who gets what, and looks to me that Individuals need (3) 2"x2" photos, 1 per F4 copy. Yeah...a one person entity seems to only need one pic, while an individual needs three...and the entity doesn't send a pic to CLEO while the individual does. Really doesn't make sense. FWIW...I sent an email to [email protected] to ask for clarification. We'll see how long it takes. I finally got an answer yesterday from a question I asked on the 15th. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:02:54 AM EDT
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I'm trying to fill out the Form 1 as an individual for the first time. Under question 13, there are parts d1 and d2. Do you leave them blank if you answer "No" to "c" , answer them both "No" or check "N/A" ?
The guide skips those questions and I am just paranoid for my first Form 1. Thanks for all the time you have/are putting in on this! ETA: Oh, and how are you supposed to tell them the Overall length of your SBR - with the stock extended - if you don't have a stock already? Do you just go to a web search and look for the advertised length of a stock and add that you your barrel and receiver lengths? |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:22:53 AM EDT
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I'm trying to fill out the Form 1 as an individual for the first time. Under question 13, there are parts d1 and d2. Do you leave them blank if you answer "No" to "c" , answer them both "No" or check "N/A" ? The guide skips those questions and I am just paranoid for my first Form 1. Thanks for all the time you have/are putting in on this! ETA: Oh, and how are you supposed to tell them the Overall length of your SBR - with the stock extended - if you don't have a stock already? Do you just go to a web search and look for the advertised length of a stock and add that you your barrel and receiver lengths? For OAL, you just have to give it your best guess. For most AR builds, barrel length plus 19" will cover you. For 13, I'd answer (c) with "no", (d)(1) with "no" and (d)(2) with "N/A". (c) and (d) are two different questions...where (c) addresses being here illegally/unlawfully and (d) address being here legally on a nonimmigrant visa. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 9:38:21 AM EDT
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Below are responses we received regarding a few 41F questions.
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 12:13 PM To: 41F <[email protected]> Cc: Clutter, Ted <[email protected]>; Schaible, Gary N. <[email protected]> Subject: Questions <o:p></o:p> Good morning, For a person applying as an individual, does a photo need to be affixed to the CLEO Copy of the Form 1 or Form 4? No, the CLEO copy does not require photographs. For a person applying as an individual, does page three need to be submitted for the CLEO or Applicant copies? No, applicants submitting as individuals do not need to complete page three. If multiple NFA applications (e.g. three suppressors) are submitted for the same person/entity in the same envelope, is one pair of FD-258 cards for the applicant or each responsible person acceptable, or does each have to submit 3 pairs (6 FD-258 cards)? You would be required to submit 3 pair until further notice. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 10:14:19 AM EDT
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For a person applying as an individual, does a photo need tobe affixed to the CLEO Copy of the Form 1 or Form 4? No, the CLEO copy does not require photographs. I'm glad you got that answer... They replied to mine this morning, but appears they hit Send before they typed anything. 
I'm going to "borrow" these three items to added to the write-up on other forums. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 2:49:04 PM EDT
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Well I waited to late to start my process but I guess I'm gonna venture into the waters for my Supressor.
I have a question tho, Since I'm already going through the process, should I kill 2 birds with 1 stone and go ahead and get approval for an SBR since I have a lower with no upper? Figured I might as well. Thoughts, Suggestions? This is my first time through this process. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 4:01:49 PM EDT
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Yes. But not because of the suppressor. Everybody needs at least one registered lower. Doing it at the same time as the can doesn't really gain you anything with the ATF, though. (Except for one trip to get printed if you're not doing your own)
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:12:08 AM EDT
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Don't have anything to really add, just wanted to give a big thanks for all your time for posting this up!!
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Posted: 8/5/2016 1:21:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for adding STATE notification info, that was the info I was looking for in another thread, when asking about who to send it to, outside my local LEOs.
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Posted: 8/5/2016 2:26:47 PM EDT
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Thanks for adding STATE notification info, that was the info I was looking for in another thread, when asking about who to send it to, outside my local LEOs. Here's what the forms say: The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor. So, you also have some attorneys that qualify. Also...this used to be in the ATF's NFA FAQ before they redid it: Who may qualify as a certifying official on an ATF Form 1 or ATF Form 4 for the making or transfer of an NFA firearm? As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases. The list is a lot longer than just the Sheriff or Police Chief, but most never tried any further than that when signature was required. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 8:46:55 AM EDT
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Excellent summation and explaination.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 12:36:47 PM EDT
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Are you able to print and mail in the fingerprint form vs obtaining the card stock form?
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Posted: 8/16/2016 12:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you able to print and mail in the fingerprint form vs obtaining the card stock form? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 4:57:10 PM EDT
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Is that address for application submittals in the OP correct?
The most recent NFA handbook on the ATF website lists the address for Form 1 submittals as: National Firearms Act Branch Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405 Not Atlanta GA. Can someone clarify this? NVM. I see it now on the new Form 1. |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 9:38:15 PM EDT
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Sorry I didn't see this question asked here
Does the 5320.23 Responsible Person form have to be printed double sided like the form 1? |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 9:55:16 PM EDT
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Sorry I didn't see this question asked here Does the 5320.23 Responsible Person form have to be printed double sided like the form 1? There's nowhere on the form that actually says that. However, I can't see a reason not to print them double sided...at least the ATF Copy. |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 8:07:45 PM EDT
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Again just to clarify we "are"or "are not" allowed to roll our own fingerprints onto the 2 cards? (Basically has the ATF ever said yes or no themselves?)
If we can do them ourselves what do we put in boxes 20 and 21 on the Fingerprint card? Does anyone here have personal experience with doing this and actually recieving approved forms from their own print submission? It is a hassle trying to get away from work and to also coordinate a time that the sheriff's office can take them for me so this would ease that pain but I just am not confident in what I have read thus far to make me comfortable doing it on my own without getting them rejected. Can someone chime in with past experience... Thanks |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 8:25:43 PM EDT
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Again just to clarify we "are"or "are not" allowed to roll our own fingerprints onto the 2 cards? (Basically has the ATF ever said yes or no themselves?) If we can do them ourselves what do we put in boxes 20 and 21 on the Fingerprint card? Does anyone here have personal experience with doing this and actually recieving approved forms from their own print submission? It is a hassle trying to get away from work and to also coordinate a time that the sheriff's office can take them for me so this would ease that pain but I just am not confident in what I have read thus far to make me comfortable doing it on my own without getting them rejected. Can someone chime in with past experience... Thanks People have been doing it for years/decades. There's a step-by-step back on page one, and most of the info came either from the FBI or from a member here that's had dozens of forms approved with prints he rolled himself. All the regulations says is you must be properly equipped. And the updated regs match the pre-41F regs, so nothing has changed from that aspect. |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 9:00:31 PM EDT
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People have been doing it for years/decades. There's a step-by-step back on page one, and most of the info came either from the FBI or from a member here that's had dozens of forms approved with prints he rolled himself. All the regulations says is you must be properly equipped. And the updated regs match the pre-41F regs, so nothing has changed from that aspect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Again just to clarify we "are"or "are not" allowed to roll our own fingerprints onto the 2 cards? (Basically has the ATF ever said yes or no themselves?) If we can do them ourselves what do we put in boxes 20 and 21 on the Fingerprint card? Does anyone here have personal experience with doing this and actually recieving approved forms from their own print submission? It is a hassle trying to get away from work and to also coordinate a time that the sheriff's office can take them for me so this would ease that pain but I just am not confident in what I have read thus far to make me comfortable doing it on my own without getting them rejected. Can someone chime in with past experience... Thanks People have been doing it for years/decades. There's a step-by-step back on page one, and most of the info came either from the FBI or from a member here that's had dozens of forms approved with prints he rolled himself. All the regulations says is you must be properly equipped. And the updated regs match the pre-41F regs, so nothing has changed from that aspect. Thanks for the reply. I read your write up that you posted at the beginning of this thread but I didnt specifically see what a person would write into those 2 boxes. If I do them myself what do I write for employer? And my signature would go in the other box? |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 10:31:31 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reply. I read your write up that you posted at the beginning of this thread but I didnt specifically see what a person would write into those 2 boxes. If I do them myself what do I write for employer? And my signature would go in the other box? 1. Follow the instructions in the write-up... 2. Local dealer here just got a digital FP scanner, and he's leaving the employer section (21) blank. The FBI instructions say: 21. Employer and Address Block Enter the subject’s potential employer and address of that employer. Since you're not applying for a job, he was told to leave that box blank. |
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Posted: 9/7/2016 12:22:19 PM EDT
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I'm filing a form #1 as an individual. Do I only need one completed finger print card, and two photo's?
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Posted: 9/7/2016 3:28:00 PM EDT
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I'm filing a form #1 as an individual. Do I only need one completed finger print card, and two photo's? It's two FP cards for each submission. According to the form itself, you actually need 3 photos. The CLEO Copy doesn't have it grayed out like it should (and like the RPQ has it). There's an email several posts back of an email exchange with the ATF where they say the CLEO Copy doesn't need a pic (like it doesn't need an SN). |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 11:42:17 PM EDT
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Im getting ready to mail out my form 4 tomorrow. I just have a couple of things i need clarified.
1) on the fingerprints card, "ORI" is blank. Where do i get this information? 2) I'm confused as to how many photos to submit to the ATF. I currently have one attached to the 5320.23. I'm submitting as a Trust. |
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