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Posted: 9/30/2015 1:41:55 PM EDT
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Well, 90+ days later, I got a reject on my SBR lower. Reasons For Disapproval: INACCURATE MODEL PROVIDED- SHOULD APPEAR AS "PA15" ONLY- "MULTI" IS NOT PART OF MODEL DESIGNATION- APPLICANT MAY REAPPLY- REFUND IN PROCESS (HT)(09.30.15) I'm not sure what I did wrong, the model on the lower is PA-15 MULTI, and that's an option on ATF's eform. If it was inaccurate why would it be a prefilled option? Back to the waiting game I guess. MULTI is PSAs caliber designation - it is not the model. PA15 is the model. They told you what you did wrong and what it should say in their explanation. The drop down menus just show what other people have used in the past. It does not mean it's correct. For example, in the caliber area, if you select MULTI you will also be disapproved - you must select a specific caliber (such as 5.56 or 7.62, NOT 5.56x45 or 7.62x35, etc) ETA : If you contact Ted Clutter after you fill out your new form and pay, send him both control numbers and I bet you have approval within the week |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 1:45:15 PM EDT
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I believe the pre-filled options just mean that someone has utilized that information on the eForms before you have. When doing the paperwork on my Nodak, I noticed people had gone pretty berserk with options that were clearly incorrect. Why it allows values to be populated in those fields in the first place is beyond me.
Also, if I recall correctly, there is a number of the "go-to-guy" at the ATF to get these little clerical issues fast-tracked upon resubmission which floats around ARFCOM. I'm sure someone will be by shortly to correct me or provide the contact information. EDIT: Sniped. :( |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 1:46:38 PM EDT
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Same thing happened to me. I emailed them directly and paid another $200 and was approved in less than 24 hours.
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Posted: 9/30/2015 2:06:48 PM EDT
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.... ETA : If you contact Ted Clutter after you fill out your new form and pay, send him both control numbers and I bet you have approval within the week Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, 90+ days later, I got a reject on my SBR lower. Reasons For Disapproval: INACCURATE MODEL PROVIDED- SHOULD APPEAR AS "PA15" ONLY- "MULTI" IS NOT PART OF MODEL DESIGNATION- APPLICANT MAY REAPPLY- REFUND IN PROCESS (HT)(09.30.15) I'm not sure what I did wrong, the model on the lower is PA-15 MULTI, and that's an option on ATF's eform. If it was inaccurate why would it be a prefilled option? Back to the waiting game I guess. .... ETA : If you contact Ted Clutter after you fill out your new form and pay, send him both control numbers and I bet you have approval within the week Yep ^ 1. Kindly email your issue to [email protected] 2. Be prepared to send in another $200.00 3. ???? 4. Profit You will be refunded the original $200.00 within 90 days. Enjoy. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 2:43:06 PM EDT
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When filing you have to be specific with everything especially the caliber.
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Posted: 9/30/2015 3:56:07 PM EDT
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Thanks everyone, I'll be refiling once the eform system comes back online and I'll contact Ted Cutter once I get the new online filed.
I did specify the caliber on box c on the form, I figured PA15 MULTI was the right model since that is was was marked on the lower. I'm used to sending way more info than needed with the federal government. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 4:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When filing you have to be specific with everything especially the caliber. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 1:44:35 PM EDT
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At one point, they did take PA15MULTI. I've got two approved stamps with that listed as the model that were approved on 5/16/2014. When I applied for my third SBR using the same type of lower from PSA a couple months ago, I submitted an Ask the Experts question on whether I needed to submit as PA15 and whether I needed to change anything on the old lowers. They never did fully answer the question on the already approved forms, but they did specify that the new submission did need to be PA15 and the MULTI was the caliber designation, but that you still had to explicitly state what caliber you were building.
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:23:38 PM EDT
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They never should've accepted them with PA15MULTI...but it's not the only thing they've accepted that's incorrect. They did a similar thing with Spike's lowers that had an SBR prefix. That was a complete cluster...and there are people out there with approved forms that don't actually match the firearm they made. And I'm not sure who the first numbskull was that input that data into eForms. Nobody with any common sense would've considered Multi as part of the model.
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:58:05 PM EDT
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New form went in last night, emailed Ted Cutter first thing this morning, and haven't heard anything back.
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Posted: 10/2/2015 8:23:01 PM EDT
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New form went in last night, emailed Ted Cutter first thing this morning, and haven't heard anything back. I emailed him more than a week ago and still have not heard back. Maybe he is not expediting them anymore? |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 10:00:44 PM EDT
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Yesterday i "asked the experts" on the efile page to expedite 2 rejected form 1s (failed to attach state ltc) within 8 hours i had both approvals.
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Posted: 10/5/2015 7:16:33 PM EDT
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They never should've accepted them with PA15MULTI...but it's not the only thing they've accepted that's incorrect. They did a similar thing with Spike's lowers that had an SBR prefix. That was a complete cluster...and there are people out there with approved forms that don't actually match the firearm they made. And I'm not sure who the first numbskull was that input that data into eForms. Nobody with any common sense would've considered Multi as part of the model. Can somebody elaborate on this? I have a Spike's lower with a SBR prefix. The box it came in clearly shows that SBR is part of the serial number; the box says S/N: SBR12345. Based on that, I would include SBR as part of the serial number. An SBR with SBR in the serial number. Edit: I did a little research and it appears that the ATF figured out (was told?) that SBR12345 is the correct serial number. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 7:47:57 PM EDT
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Can somebody elaborate on this? I have a Spike's lower with a SBR prefix. The box it came in clearly shows that SBR is part of the serial number; the box says S/N: SBR12345. Based on that, I would include SBR as part of the serial number. An SBR with SBR in the serial number. Edit: I did a little research and it appears that the ATF figured out (was told?) that SBR12345 is the correct serial number. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They never should've accepted them with PA15MULTI...but it's not the only thing they've accepted that's incorrect. They did a similar thing with Spike's lowers that had an SBR prefix. That was a complete cluster...and there are people out there with approved forms that don't actually match the firearm they made. And I'm not sure who the first numbskull was that input that data into eForms. Nobody with any common sense would've considered Multi as part of the model. Can somebody elaborate on this? I have a Spike's lower with a SBR prefix. The box it came in clearly shows that SBR is part of the serial number; the box says S/N: SBR12345. Based on that, I would include SBR as part of the serial number. An SBR with SBR in the serial number. Edit: I did a little research and it appears that the ATF figured out (was told?) that SBR12345 is the correct serial number. Yes, the SBR is part if the SN. Mine is SBR-12345 Make sure you include the "-" also. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 8:44:29 PM EDT
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Yes, the SBR is part if the SN. Mine is SBR-12345 Make sure you include the "-" also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They never should've accepted them with PA15MULTI...but it's not the only thing they've accepted that's incorrect. They did a similar thing with Spike's lowers that had an SBR prefix. That was a complete cluster...and there are people out there with approved forms that don't actually match the firearm they made. And I'm not sure who the first numbskull was that input that data into eForms. Nobody with any common sense would've considered Multi as part of the model. Can somebody elaborate on this? I have a Spike's lower with a SBR prefix. The box it came in clearly shows that SBR is part of the serial number; the box says S/N: SBR12345. Based on that, I would include SBR as part of the serial number. An SBR with SBR in the serial number. Edit: I did a little research and it appears that the ATF figured out (was told?) that SBR12345 is the correct serial number. Yes, the SBR is part if the SN. Mine is SBR-12345 Make sure you include the "-" also. All of ^this^. I sent a notice to a handful of people at the NFA Branch, along with several pictures, in order to try and clear it up. I know John from Spikes also talked to an examiner one time. SBR is absolutely part of the SN. It never would've been questioned if it started with SAR or SCR. I have a paper form approved with one submitted late 2013 and have the SBR prefix. Most of the issues came up with eforms applications, and we're probably some of the new examiners or those people loaned over to help clear the backlog. I know of at least a handful of forms where the examiner sent back and said SBR was not part of the SN and the person needed to resubmit. So, there are approved forms out there with just the numerical portion. To me, those persons have approved forms that don't match their firearms. Yes, a little common sense would explain it, but if an officer called in the engraved SN, whoever answered the phone could easily be confused. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 9:29:25 PM EDT
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How picky is the ATF about certain details? For instance, I'm filling out my form 1 for a CZ Skorpion EVO 3 SBR. I have one other SBR, but it was a factory gun that I purchased on a Form 4 and the dealer did all of the paperwork for me with the exception of the CLEO sign off.
Will they reject me for putting 9x19 on the caliber portion, or should it say 9mm Parrabelum? 9mmx19mm? I noticed on one portion CZs website it says the barrel is 7 3/4" and then on another it says 7.72" Will they accept 7.75"? Will they accept SBR under the type of firearm to be made, or does it need be spelled out as Short Barreled Rifle? I don't wait to wait 4 months just to have them reject the form for something very small like this..... |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 9:43:55 PM EDT
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Yesterday i "asked the experts" on the efile page to expedite 2 rejected form 1s (failed to attach state ltc) within 8 hours i had both approvals. I am curious to know if anyone else has gone this route with success? All of the responses I have seen from people with disapproved eform 1's have recommended resubmitting and sending an email to Mr. Clutter. I am at a couple of weeks now without much luck, so I am wondering if this might be the new suggested route to go? Anyone else done this with success? Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:04:46 PM EDT
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I am curious to know if anyone else has gone this route with success? All of the responses I have seen from people with disapproved eform 1's have recommended resubmitting and sending an email to Mr. Clutter. I am at a couple of weeks now without much luck, so I am wondering if this might be the new suggested route to go? Anyone else done this with success? Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yesterday i "asked the experts" on the efile page to expedite 2 rejected form 1s (failed to attach state ltc) within 8 hours i had both approvals. I am curious to know if anyone else has gone this route with success? All of the responses I have seen from people with disapproved eform 1's have recommended resubmitting and sending an email to Mr. Clutter. I am at a couple of weeks now without much luck, so I am wondering if this might be the new suggested route to go? Anyone else done this with success? Thanks! The recommended method (based on when I called them and asked) from the ATF is to email [email protected]. Alternate methods that (usually) work are to email Ted or use Ask The Experts. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:17:17 PM EDT
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How picky is the ATF about certain details? For instance, I'm filling out my form 1 for a CZ Skorpion EVO 3 SBR. I have one other SBR, but it was a factory gun that I purchased on a Form 4 and the dealer did all of the paperwork for me with the exception of the CLEO sign off. Will they reject me for putting 9x19 on the caliber portion, or should it say 9mm Parrabelum? 9mmx19mm? I noticed on one portion CZs website it says the barrel is 7 3/4" and then on another it says 7.72" Will they accept 7.75"? Will they accept SBR under the type of firearm to be made, or does it need be spelled out as Short Barreled Rifle? I don't wait to wait 4 months just to have them reject the form for something very small like this..... The caliber is 9mm. That's all they need. The rest of the info gives them the actual cartridge. On a paper form, they're more lenient. On an eform, some of the other options will cause the form to crash when they try to process it. 
For length, that ask for it in inches. You'd be fine with 7.5", 7.75", or 8". I've always spelled out Short Barreled Rifle on paper forms, and that's how it appears on eforms. I use SBR on my 5320.20s, but have never tried it on an F1. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:38:49 PM EDT
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I am curious to know if anyone else has gone this route with success? All of the responses I have seen from people with disapproved eform 1's have recommended resubmitting and sending an email to Mr. Clutter. I am at a couple of weeks now without much luck, so I am wondering if this might be the new suggested route to go? Anyone else done this with success? Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yesterday i "asked the experts" on the efile page to expedite 2 rejected form 1s (failed to attach state ltc) within 8 hours i had both approvals. I am curious to know if anyone else has gone this route with success? All of the responses I have seen from people with disapproved eform 1's have recommended resubmitting and sending an email to Mr. Clutter. I am at a couple of weeks now without much luck, so I am wondering if this might be the new suggested route to go? Anyone else done this with success? Thanks! I can say it worked for me. After not hearing back from Mr. Cutter, I sent the same message via Ask The Experts and got my approval today. The signer was Ted Cutter, maybe he is doing the work, just not replying. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:04:29 AM EDT
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MiNe was signed by ted cutter aswell..the main efile guy is Gary N Schaible.
Both of these guys are "the man". |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:39:39 AM EDT
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You might not get an email letting you know it's approved, just be sure to check the site everyday.
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