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EagleArmsHBAR
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Posted: 11/10/2013 12:20:46 PM
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I think this would make a good proposed addition to 18 USC 922

An act to be called the Assault Weapon Taxation Act of 2013, shall take effect with the following provisions:

Define "Assault Weapon" as any firearm capable of firing more than one cartridge with a single action of the trigger.

1) Pre-86 machine guns (now defined as Assault Weapons) AND those under section 3 below are grandfathered at $200/transfer;
2) Form 3 from Dealer to Dealer AND Form 4 to dealers (interstate and intrastate) have NO transfer tax and are INSTANTLY APPROVED;
3) There is a 24 month amnesty to register machine guns (now defined as AWs) that were produced before this Act was passed to bring the system up to date (no tax);
4) AWs manufactured after the amnesty period in section 3 above will be subject to $1,000 tax;
5) Short Barreled Rifles are Title 1 firearms (Removed from the NFA);
6) Suppressors are Title 1 firearms (Removed from the NFA);
7) Any firearm not defined as an Assault Weapon under this section SHALL be deemed to have a sporting purpose, per the Gun Control Act of 1968; AND
8) Violations of this law will prosecuted by a fine of not more than $1,000 and/or probation not to exceed 30 days.

Someone should send this to Ted Cruz and get it written properly and added in the text of some Obama project bill.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 12:33:17 PM
No more laws thanks.

Legislation doesn't grant freedom, it removes it.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 12:34:02 PM
mmmmmmmmkay..........good luck with that
Just put me down for a CoC violation and I won't type what I'm really thinking. Save everyone some time
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Posted: 11/10/2013 1:40:56 PM
There were some guys one time who tried to get the Cleo signature removed. They said one had to use trusts to own NRA in states with unfriendly Cleo. Shortly thereafter the dictator from on high slapped an executive order down to help make laws that forced Cleo sign off on all trusts and members of trusts.

You CAN NOT play by their rules to win their rigged game.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 1:47:04 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By esa17:
No more laws thanks.

Legislation doesn't grant freedom, it removes it.


Word.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:08:28 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By esa17:
No more laws thanks.

Legislation doesn't grant freedom, it removes it.


Word.
If enacted as above tell me how it would tighten freedom as compared to loosen it.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:10:18 PM
GTFO with more Gun Control.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:14:10 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
GTFO with more Gun Control.


There is NO new gun control in his proposition..... it actually removes some gun laws

I know I know..... Reading is for faggots
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:16:19 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Garage:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
GTFO with more Gun Control.


There is NO new gun control in his proposition..... it actually removes some gun laws

I know I know..... Reading is for faggots
This is how you pass something like this. Present it in congress and the liberals, being faggots, wouldn't read it (hopefully) and vote for it.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:23:07 PM
It sounds great until they do what they are attempting to RFN!

One of the proposed "reforms" is to adjust the tax for 1930's inflation and therefore, fuck us. All of the sudden that $200 becomes a cost prohibitive defacto-ban all thanks to your freedom giving law and you gave them the tools to do it....Unless of course you don't mind paying an extra $4000 for your guns.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:26:52 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By esa17:
It sounds great until they do what they are attempting to RFN!

One of the proposed "reforms" is to adjust the tax for 1930's inflation and therefore, fuck us. All of the sudden that $200 becomes a cost prohibitive defacto-ban all thanks to your freedom giving law and you gave them the tools to do it....Unless of course you don't mind paying an extra $4000 for your guns.


It gets SBR, SBS and suppressors OFF the register, Increases the tax to $1000 on MG's , but makes it a $1000 penalty for not having paid the tax


I would support this


(oh yeah, 24 month amnesty to register machine guns)
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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:31:35 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Garage:
Originally Posted By esa17:
It sounds great until they do what they are attempting to RFN!

One of the proposed "reforms" is to adjust the tax for 1930's inflation and therefore, fuck us. All of the sudden that $200 becomes a cost prohibitive defacto-ban all thanks to your freedom giving law and you gave them the tools to do it....Unless of course you don't mind paying an extra $4000 for your guns.


It gets SBR, SBS and suppressors OFF the register, Increases the tax to $1000 on MG's , but makes it a $1000 penalty for not having paid the tax


I would support this


(oh yeah, 24 month amnesty to register machine guns)
And notice the $1000 tax is FOR NEW ASSAULT WEAPONS ONLY AFTER the Amnesty. Pre 86 MGs are still $200.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 3:36:21 PM
Just throw the entire NFA law, and it's registration requirements, in the trash.
It's none of the government's damn business if someone wants to own a machine gun, suppressor or a SBR.



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Posted: 11/10/2013 4:13:55 PM
Lol
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Posted: 11/10/2013 5:01:19 PM
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 5:25:58 PM
A man can dream.... lol
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Posted: 11/10/2013 5:42:09 PM
While you're dreaming, how about a $0 tax on a fundamental civil right, kthnx.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 6:00:17 PM
How about a $1000 tax on BS? No more new laws, social programs, or taxes. The land of the free is regulated, legislated, and taxed out the a...
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Posted: 11/10/2013 6:50:22 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Yabadabadoo:
How about a $1000 tax on BS? No more new laws, social programs, or taxes. The land of the free is regulated, legislated, and taxed out the a...
No kidding, but how about having the ability to Form 1 a MG? Oh that's right, you can't right now either.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 8:11:45 PM
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Why would you be willing to tax new AWs? Why not just omit that?
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Posted: 11/10/2013 8:27:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
Why would you be willing to tax new AWs? Why not just omit that?


I think he's trying to grease the wheels and back door a way for new machine guns to be produced. Because no liberal will ever go for reinstating MGs. Not that they would even if you have to pay $1000 for each one.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 9:38:03 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By carbonfly:
Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
Why would you be willing to tax new AWs? Why not just omit that?


I think he's trying to grease the wheels and back door a way for new machine guns to be produced. Because no liberal will ever go for reinstating MGs. Not that they would even if you have to pay $1000 for each one.
If this was presented as a compromise to banning AWs, I think it could work as long as they passed it to find out what's in it.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 10:22:26 PM
No way. We cannot compromise with the gun prohibitionists. Ever. Look what happened when the NFATCA decided to "work" with ATF to try and end CLEO signatures. They brought the idea of including a NICS check for all trust/LLC/Corp transfers. Guess what, ATF decided they would expand CLEO signature to all transfers, including trust/LLC/corp.

You cannot trust, reason with, or come to terms with those who seek to take away our freedoms.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 10:40:37 PM
Repeal the NFA of 1934, Section 922r of whatever law that was, and GCA of 1968 on the grounds they are unconstitutional under the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 10:43:03 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JoshNC:
No way. We cannot compromise with the gun prohibitionists. Ever. Look what happened when the NFATCA decided to "work" with ATF to try and end CLEO signatures. They brought the idea of including a NICS check for all trust/LLC/Corp transfers. Guess what, ATF decided they would expand CLEO signature to all transfers, including trust/LLC/corp.

You cannot trust, reason with, or come to terms with those who seek to take away our freedoms.
Read the proposal. This is not a real compromise.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 10:46:45 PM
No just no
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