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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:34:10 AM EDT
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last year you would expect about 6 weeks for a form 3 and about 6 months for a form 4
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:47:40 AM EDT
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About the same for a F3.....8-9 months for a F4/F1.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 10:13:28 AM EDT
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Just sent my Form 4 off yesterday, Form 3 took three months and one week to come through.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 11:13:55 AM EDT
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I just called.
I went pending August 12th,Mary at the NFA just said estimated time is .......15 months! Are you kidding me 15 months to do a background check on a trust that I have 6 other stamps on! |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 11:58:22 AM EDT
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I just called. I went pending August 12th,Mary at the NFA just said estimated time is .......15 months! Are you kidding me 15 months to do a background check on a trust that I have 6 other stamps on! EXACTLY!!! Just got off the phone and Mary told me the same thing. 15 MONTHS!!! WTF!!! Trust with multiple stampas as well. Went pending June 27th. Sucks to be us.... |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:02:57 PM EDT
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What should people realistically expect for a form 3 transfer to their dealer and a form 4 transfer to their possession? See this post about Form 3s I made over in my other thread. link |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 3:55:02 PM EDT
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Form 3 currently about 3 months.
Form 4 currently at least 9 months. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 4:40:37 PM EDT
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ive been waiting for my form 3 since mid august..
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Posted: 10/22/2013 5:27:14 PM EDT
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Thanks Obama
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Posted: 10/22/2013 6:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EXACTLY!!! Just got off the phone and Mary told me the same thing. 15 MONTHS!!! WTF!!! Trust with multiple stampas as well. Went pending June 27th. Sucks to be us.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just called. I went pending August 12th,Mary at the NFA just said estimated time is .......15 months! Are you kidding me 15 months to do a background check on a trust that I have 6 other stamps on! EXACTLY!!! Just got off the phone and Mary told me the same thing. 15 MONTHS!!! WTF!!! Trust with multiple stampas as well. Went pending June 27th. Sucks to be us.... NFA is working as designed.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 5:10:24 AM EDT
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NFA is working as designed.
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I just called. I went pending August 12th,Mary at the NFA just said estimated time is .......15 months! Are you kidding me 15 months to do a background check on a trust that I have 6 other stamps on! EXACTLY!!! Just got off the phone and Mary told me the same thing. 15 MONTHS!!! WTF!!! Trust with multiple stampas as well. Went pending June 27th. Sucks to be us.... NFA is working as designed.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:42:30 AM EDT
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I just called. I went pending August 12th,Mary at the NFA just said estimated time is .......15 months! Are you kidding me 15 months to do a background check on a trust that I have 6 other stamps on! EXACTLY!!! Just got off the phone and Mary told me the same thing. 15 MONTHS!!! WTF!!! Trust with multiple stampas as well. Went pending June 27th. Sucks to be us.... NFA is working as designed.
Bingo. It's set up so that you don't want to mess with it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:07:30 AM EDT
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My first 2 stamps were like took 5 months door to door.
My next 2 stamps took 7 months door to door My next 2 stamps (first one took 9 months,current one will take 15 months) And I have only been doing NFA for about 4 years now. These are the same people that people want to run there healthcare. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:30:55 AM EDT
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I wonder if filing a congressional complaint will bring any heat on the NFA branch....as in a bunch of us doing so. Seems to me if a government organization is taking over a year to lick a stamp and mail back a piece of paper then they are doing it wrong......
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:34:53 AM EDT
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15 F****** MONTHS?!
  I really hope they are just saying that to be jerks because the wait was about 6-7 months before the shutdown, which only lasted 2 weeks.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:58:19 AM EDT
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If 15 months is accurate then the 2 Form 1's I submitted in September will be my last NFA items. I don't need NFA stuff that bad
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Posted: 10/23/2013 9:45:35 AM EDT
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If 15 months is accurate then the 2 Form 1's I submitted in September will be my last NFA items. I don't need NFA stuff that bad I just called for status....."15 Months." I can also confirm what others are saying - the woman answering the phone (though she was very polite) wouldn't even give me a pending status, she just said "We received it on August 1st." My package was mailed 23 July and my check was cleared on August 2nd. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 9:50:57 AM EDT
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I called for the first time the other day and the lady told me I went pending July 18th. If I have to wait 15 damn months I'm going to lose my mind!! I might as well go ahead and put in for all the cans I'm ever gonna want and I might get to shoot them with my grandkids!! (I'm 24)
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:06:16 AM EDT
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I talked to Mary today and was told that the new standard, as of yesterday, is that it is 15 mos from check cash date, the pending date is null and void. I asked about an item I was told 30 days on when I called Sep 2. She said this was most likely no longer true. She said she really did not know the answer only that it was cashed on March 22 and it will be approved between now and next July. She was very nice and really just sounded ass whipped like there is something devious is going on at the ATF they know it but have to do their job as instructed.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:25:34 AM EDT
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What the hell is going on?! I have a Form 1 that went SECOND PENDING on 7/15 and before the shutdown I was told by the NFA branch that it would be approved by October 15th. If I lost my place in line because of this bs and have to wait another 15 months, after having already waited 9 months (check cashed in February 5th) I'm going to scream!!!
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Money says with the proposed rule change to trusts and CLEO sign off requirements for everyone on the trust, they finally made the decision that forms currently in the system are not going to be "grandfathered in" with the rule change. They're probably going to go back through everything they have and ID all forms on a trust and have the send them all back for CLEO signatures. That's the only thing I can forsee that would make a 9 month wait jump up to 15 months...but hey. This is just speculation. Not trying to start rumors. This is purely my prediction.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:41:42 AM EDT
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Money says with the proposed rule change to trusts and CLEO sign off requirements for everyone on the trust, they finally made the decision that forms currently in the system are not going to be "grandfathered in" with the rule change. They're probably going to go back through everything they have and ID all forms on a trust and have the send them all back for CLEO signatures. That's the only thing I can forsee that would make a 9 month wait jump up to 15 months...but hey. This is just speculation. Not trying to start rumors. This is purely my prediction. CMS This is interesting. She asked if it was a trust or not before she gave me my status  - I don't recall being asked that before. We need someone who applied as an individual to call and see if they get a different answer.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:44:33 AM EDT
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Money says with the proposed rule change to trusts and CLEO sign off requirements for everyone on the trust, they finally made the decision that forms currently in the system are not going to be "grandfathered in" with the rule change. They're probably going to go back through everything they have and ID all forms on a trust and have the send them all back for CLEO signatures. That's the only thing I can forsee that would make a 9 month wait jump up to 15 months...but hey. This is just speculation. Not trying to start rumors. This is purely my prediction. CMS Mother of God....... I could see them taking all forms that were not yet approved and making them re-submit with cleo sigs and prints, (NOT THAT I FUCKING WANT THAT), but come on, sending out notices for already approved stamps (in hand) for items that trusts corps, llc's already have...... man I hope your prediction is wrong, because that sounds like my nightmare. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:47:39 AM EDT
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This is interesting. She asked if it was a trust or not before she gave me my status
- I don't recall being asked that before. We need someone who applied as an individual to call and see if they get a different answer.
I will try and give them a call in a few. This is my first can and I did it as an individual but for the guys with the trusts this is gonna suck! Hopefully they will grandfather the ones that are already in. If not it's a douche move!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:53:21 AM EDT
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I believe you are on to something here. They added 6 mos to the approval time. The comment period for the rule change is 90 days, 3 mos. I read on Price law blog that it requires 90 days after comment period to change the rule, 3 mor mos. this totals surprise....6 months, coincidence? I'm sure not. The lawyers on that blog seem pretty confident that there would have to be grandfathering of some kind but TBD. These motherfuckers........make me itch.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 11:01:49 AM EDT
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According the the individual I just spoke with, that's just where they are at right now....15 months from the time the paperwork is received (no mention of the pending date). Inquired if it was because it was on a trust and was told "no"...but who the hell knows whats going on with them up there.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 11:18:13 AM EDT
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Holy shit this thread is the most depressing thing I've seen all year.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 12:28:14 PM EDT
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I've contacted my congressman. This is ridiculous. Unacceptable.
I usually get replies from him.... I'll hide my dog. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 1:20:09 PM EDT
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Great, I sent in my paperwork for a M42k last week for my trust..... Depressing
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Posted: 10/23/2013 1:22:42 PM EDT
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I've contacted my congressman. This is ridiculous. Unacceptable. I usually get replies from him.... I'll hide my dog. I'm about to do the same...and more should too. If the ATF starts feeling the heat maybe they'll do something. They sure do put the heat on units in the military when a congressional comes down...and it's the head shed that gets to answer for the inquiry...so maybe someone will finally get the point. There's no reason one piece of paper should take 15 months to process. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 1:46:36 PM EDT
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full.
Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 1:49:33 PM EDT
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full. Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 2:02:16 PM EDT
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That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full. Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS I will be contacting my reps but it will do no good as the majority of gun owners don't care about the NFA. The mere fact that it takes more to get a suppressor, SBR, or SBS than it does to get any other firearm is stupid. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 2:30:02 PM EDT
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I will be contacting my reps but it will do no good as the majority of gun owners don't care about the NFA. The mere fact that it takes more to get a suppressor, SBR, or SBS than it does to get any other firearm is stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full. Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS I will be contacting my reps but it will do no good as the majority of gun owners don't care about the NFA. The mere fact that it takes more to get a suppressor, SBR, or SBS than it does to get any other firearm is stupid. Shooting an email to your rep will do no good. File a DoD formal congressional inquiry. They have to staff it through the chain....and the ATF has to offer resolution. You may just get an excuse...but someone in the ATF headshed will have to draft a response and reply back to your senator/rep. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 4:25:18 PM EDT
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Shooting an email to your rep will do no good. File a DoD formal congressional inquiry. They have to staff it through the chain....and the ATF has to offer resolution. You may just get an excuse...but someone in the ATF headshed will have to draft a response and reply back to your senator/rep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full. Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS I will be contacting my reps but it will do no good as the majority of gun owners don't care about the NFA. The mere fact that it takes more to get a suppressor, SBR, or SBS than it does to get any other firearm is stupid. Shooting an email to your rep will do no good. File a DoD formal congressional inquiry. They have to staff it through the chain....and the ATF has to offer resolution. You may just get an excuse...but someone in the ATF headshed will have to draft a response and reply back to your senator/rep. You do realize that ATF is not part of DOD? |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 4:28:59 PM EDT
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Money says with the proposed rule change to trusts and CLEO sign off requirements for everyone on the trust, they finally made the decision that forms currently in the system are not going to be "grandfathered in" with the rule change. They're probably going to go back through everything they have and ID all forms on a trust and have the send them all back for CLEO signatures. That's the only thing I can forsee that would make a 9 month wait jump up to 15 months...but hey. This is just speculation. Not trying to start rumors. This is purely my prediction. CMS More likely they're sick and tired of idiots calling every other day asking about status so they're giving a nice safe long estimate so that'll you'll stop bothering them. And they're probably asking about the trusts because the individual ones take longer. |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 5:00:08 PM EDT
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More likely they're sick and tired of idiots calling every other day asking about status so they're giving a nice safe long estimate so that'll you'll stop bothering them. And they're probably asking about the trusts because the individual ones take longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Money says with the proposed rule change to trusts and CLEO sign off requirements for everyone on the trust, they finally made the decision that forms currently in the system are not going to be "grandfathered in" with the rule change. They're probably going to go back through everything they have and ID all forms on a trust and have the send them all back for CLEO signatures. That's the only thing I can forsee that would make a 9 month wait jump up to 15 months...but hey. This is just speculation. Not trying to start rumors. This is purely my prediction. CMS More likely they're sick and tired of idiots calling every other day asking about status so they're giving a nice safe long estimate so that'll you'll stop bothering them. And they're probably asking about the trusts because the individual ones take longer. You give them too much credit........ |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 5:12:04 PM EDT
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Holy shit this thread is the most depressing thing I've seen all year. My thoughts exactly! |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 5:50:01 PM EDT
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It's a good thing I built my guns a pistols to get me by as having a suppressor locked up for 15 months is just unacceptable after having paid for it in full. Even letting the .gov have $400 for 15 months is insane for my 2 stamps!! I am done with NFA items after this as 15 months is just wrong. That's just what they want. Instead of complaining about it and then doing nothing, file a congressional inquiry as to why the ATF cashes yoru $200 check and then makes you wait 15 months. Inaction only fuels their though process that they can get away with limiting our rights by increasing the time it takes for an NFA item approval to the point most of us no longer feel it's worth it. CMS I will be contacting my reps but it will do no good as the majority of gun owners don't care about the NFA. The mere fact that it takes more to get a suppressor, SBR, or SBS than it does to get any other firearm is stupid. Shooting an email to your rep will do no good. File a DoD formal congressional inquiry. They have to staff it through the chain....and the ATF has to offer resolution. You may just get an excuse...but someone in the ATF headshed will have to draft a response and reply back to your senator/rep. You do realize that ATF is not part of DOD? Meant DOJ...talking about DoD in another thread..... |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is interesting. She asked if it was a trust or not before she gave me my status - I don't recall being asked that before. We need someone who applied as an individual to call and see if they get a different answer.I wouldn't read anything into that. They confirm that your name matches the serial number. If you submit under a trust, it is the trust name that needs to match as the trust is the applicant. They may well be able to see that your name matches the trustee name or matches another field, but it may simply be a requirement to make sure the caller (you) can identify the applicant name. At least, that's how it seemed to me when I've called in the past (before the proposed rule). |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:19:06 PM EDT
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I have called my congressmen, no answer as of yet. How does one start a formal congressional inquiry? I will pursue this route! To my limited knowledge there is no other product we (so called) citizens have to pay for then pay a tax and then not be allowed posses or use the product for 15 months. It's just un-American!!
They have a YHM Wraith, Saker and Huntertown 10-22 barrel of mine hostage right now!!!
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:58:19 PM EDT
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I just sent a message to my congressman via his webpage. This is ridiculous. I'm 100% certain they are delaying due to the proposed rule change. 2 weeks of shut down, 10 business days, does not equal 6 MORE months of backlog. They are full of shit.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:13:16 PM EDT
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There's no reason why transfers should take 15 months when this time last year they were 5 or 6 months. what could have happened to cause 3 times the normal processing time? It's probably political. You know how this administration is, nothing's too petty. The guys who sell suppressors are going to see a lot of their sales drop off, a 15 month wait is going to be a major turn off for guys looking to buy a $400 to $800 item Probably won't hurt M16 sales at all, a guy spending $25K on a gun is making a major purchase for investment or collecting |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:29:56 PM EDT
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There's no reason why transfers should take 15 months when this time last year they were 5 or 6 months. what could have happened to cause 3 times the normal processing time? You're kidding, right? |
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:32:43 PM EDT
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There's no reason why transfers should take 15 months when this time last year they were 5 or 6 months. what could have happened to cause 3 times the normal processing time? You're kidding, right? Well the government shutdown and furlough certainly wouldn't add 7 months to the pre-October wait times.... |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 1:44:14 AM EDT
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There's no reason why transfers should take 15 months when this time last year they were 5 or 6 months. what could have happened to cause 3 times the normal processing time? You're kidding, right? Well the government shutdown and furlough certainly wouldn't add 7 months to the pre-October wait times.... I'm guessing the Sandy Hook shooting and the panic that followed did add a little, but it's hard to believe more then double the wait. This is depressing though. Currently they have $800 of stamp money in their possession, they did have 1k, but I got one of my stamps returned 8 months after sending it in in January. Luckily my class 3 dealer lets me put minimal money down on the two suppressors I filed for. I mailed 4 stamps in May and June 2013, hopefully I'm on the shorter end of the wait list. I have one more lower to SBR, but right now I'm going to wait because I'm planning on moving very soon and don't want the stamp to get lost in the shuffle. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 4:04:12 AM EDT
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There's no reason why transfers should take 15 months when this time last year they were 5 or 6 months. what could have happened to cause 3 times the normal processing time? You're kidding, right? Well the government shutdown and furlough certainly wouldn't add 7 months to the pre-October wait times.... How about Sandy Hook + the panic we're all in because of the coming rule change? I have no doubt NFA applications are at least twice as high as they've ever been. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 4:05:24 AM EDT
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Damn.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 5:15:05 AM EDT
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The current wait time is beyond ridiculous. Regardless of the number of applicants, the increased wait time has to be intended to deter more applications. I am done with the NFA after this. Not because I dont like em, or that I cant put up with the wait.....but I am saving up for Night Vision (PVS-14, Dbal, helmet etc.) At least with that gear, I can get it in a month of purchase!
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Posted: 10/24/2013 5:19:00 AM EDT
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