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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:47:25 AM
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I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT. I do not have the required machinery to produce my own lower receiver capable of receiving full auto parts. Is there a MFG that sell lowers already milled to receive auto parts? If so, who are they?

Thanks and Regards,
Eric
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:45:22 AM
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:49:40 AM
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Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:50:29 AM
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Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


No.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:53:15 AM
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



Yes, but I have no clue what a SOT is and google's recommendation of Society of Toxicology didn't seem quite accurate.

Does that mean he has a legal DIAS?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:56:11 AM
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



I'm sure he read it. He just has no idea what an 07/02/SOT is.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:59:01 AM
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



Yes, but I have no clue what a SOT is and google's recommendation of Society of Toxicology didn't seem quite accurate.

Does that mean he has a legal DIAS?


No. It means he can manufacture SBRs, FA, suppressors, etc., however, there are limitations.

Type 7 FFL: Title 1 manufacturer of firearms and ammunition, who may also act as dealer; may not manufacture or deal in destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, or armor piercing ammunition. Must also register with the Department Of State under the ITAR Current registration costs start at $2,250 per year. Can also manufacture & deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 2 tax stamp.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:09:55 AM
with the proper parts and the proper receiver you can do wonders. look at previous posts for receivers. parts, well, online...
what business plan do you have that you don't know this?

not calling out, curious

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT. I do not have the required machinery to produce my own lower receiver capable of receiving full auto parts. Is there a MFG that sell lowers already milled to receive auto parts? If so, who are they?

Thanks and Regards,
Eric
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:14:25 AM
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



Yes, but I have no clue what a SOT is and google's recommendation of Society of Toxicology didn't seem quite accurate.

Does that mean he has a legal DIAS?


No. It means he can manufacture SBRs, FA, suppressors, etc., however, there are limitations.

Type 7 FFL: Title 1 manufacturer of firearms and ammunition, who may also act as dealer; may not manufacture or deal in destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, or armor piercing ammunition. Must also register with the Department Of State under the ITAR Current registration costs start at $2,250 per year. Can also manufacture & deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 2 tax stamp.


How does the manufacturing of a full auto rifle work when full auto is banned? Is it for LE/Military sale only?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:22:36 AM
Full auto is not banned.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:47:56 AM
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



Yes, but I have no clue what a SOT is and google's recommendation of Society of Toxicology didn't seem quite accurate.

Does that mean he has a legal DIAS?


No. It means he can manufacture SBRs, FA, suppressors, etc., however, there are limitations.

Type 7 FFL: Title 1 manufacturer of firearms and ammunition, who may also act as dealer; may not manufacture or deal in destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, or armor piercing ammunition. Must also register with the Department Of State under the ITAR Current registration costs start at $2,250 per year. Can also manufacture & deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 2 tax stamp.


How does the manufacturing of a full auto rifle work when full auto is banned? Is it for LE/Military sale only?


Full auto is not banned. Same as Short barrel shotguns and rifles, suppressors, destructive devices, and Any Other Weapons (cellphone gun, etc)

They just require a tax stamp and (usually) a high price on full auto stuff. As a manufacturer, he can make them to test stuff in the shop or sell to .gov or police, provided he does the proper paperwork.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:56:39 AM
Ahh, I was under the impression it had to be pre 1986 and registered. Didnt know there was a legal way of doing it with new rifles
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:22:43 AM
Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT. I do not have the required machinery to produce my own lower receiver capable of receiving full auto parts. Is there a MFG that sell lowers already milled to receive auto parts? If so, who are they?

Thanks and Regards,
Eric
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You could have it done by another 07/02, but then you'd need a demo letter and have it transferred to you on a Form 3. You might be able to commission another shop to do it with a variance letter, not sure. Personally, if I was in your shoes, I'd get a lower that was ready to go except for the sear pin hole. Then I'd get a drill press and drill the hole myself and send off the Form 2.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 5:48:07 AM
Originally Posted By CavTrooper17th:
Full auto is not banned.


Just an old wives tale.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 6:51:19 AM
There is milling needed inside the receiver needed for the sear assembly. You will not find a receiver that just needs the hole drilled.
You could have one done on a variance but having just 1 receiver done isn't really worth anyone's time with all the paperwork.

So you'll probably have to go the demo letter route. I would say to just make a DIAS but if you cant mill out a receiver you wouldn't have the equipment to do that either

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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:25:51 AM
sorry to continue derailing the thread, but if it is legal to manufacture them than why arent there more full autos out there?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:48:14 AM
Would you be talking about "low shelf" lowers? If so, Google, you'll find plenty.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:17:34 AM
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
sorry to continue derailing the thread, but if it is legal to manufacture them than why arent there more full autos out there?


Only FA manufactured and registered before Mid 1986 are allowed to be legally transfered to regular civilians.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:02:54 AM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2012 9:14:20 AM by eltice]

Originally Posted By midwinter:
with the proper parts and the proper receiver you can do wonders. look at previous posts for receivers. parts, well, online...
what business plan do you have that you don't know this?

not calling out, curious

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT. I do not have the required machinery to produce my own lower receiver capable of receiving full auto parts. Is there a MFG that sell lowers already milled to receive auto parts? If so, who are they?

Thanks and Regards,
Eric
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Fair question!

I have my 07 so that I can assemble and sell AR's through the business, which I do. The SOT is to sell Suppressors, which I do. I want to build and "test" a FA and suppressor together.

I agree about the proper parts....I have all of the required internals, just not the lower receiver to receive them.

To another post, The receiver is more than a "low shelf" though. There is a little more machining....auto sear pin hole, the "pocket" is a machined wider, etc....
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:29:21 AM
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Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Originally Posted By emopunker2004:
Originally Posted By shadow7874:
Umm, wouldnt it be illegal?


Did you even read the OPs post?

Originally Posted By eltice:
I currently have my type 07 FFL and my current SOT.



Yes, but I have no clue what a SOT is and google's recommendation of Society of Toxicology didn't seem quite accurate.

Does that mean he has a legal DIAS?


No. It means he can manufacture SBRs, FA, suppressors, etc., however, there are limitations.

Type 7 FFL: Title 1 manufacturer of firearms and ammunition, who may also act as dealer; may not manufacture or deal in destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, or armor piercing ammunition. Must also register with the Department Of State under the ITAR Current registration costs start at $2,250 per year. Can also manufacture & deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 2 tax stamp.


Does the ITAR apply to the 07 FFL, the SOT, or only required if you want to deal in destructive devices

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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:37:55 AM

Originally Posted By VarmitSniper:
There is milling needed inside the receiver needed for the sear assembly. You will not find a receiver that just needs the hole drilled.


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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:11:58 PM
Just fine somebody with a post sample reciever for sale and do a transfer.

Try subguns.net under the classified section, post a WTB post sample.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:20:20 PM
Originally Posted By tailo:
Just fine somebody with a post sample reciever for sale and do a transfer.

Try subguns.net under the classified section, post a WTB post sample.


He will need a demo letter to do a transfer.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:34:09 PM
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Originally Posted By tailo:
Just fine somebody with a post sample reciever for sale and do a transfer.

Try subguns.net under the classified section, post a WTB post sample.


Too bad it's Not that easy..
Needs to have a demo letter
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:35:21 PM
Doesn't he need a demo letter to 'make' one also?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:36:21 PM
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Doesn't he need a demo letter to 'make' one also?


No.
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