Blind hole.

It's just a fun thing to post

My favorite was an UZI SBR with no paperwork that was used in a shooting. I alerted the ATF to see if they wanted to charge the guy with that as well, and after duly consulting records, they informed me that they would not, as it was not illegal and had been made and sold as a pistol. I pointed out to the man on the telephone that it in fact had a working folding stock attached, and that I was physically holding an UZI with a 10 inch barrel and a folding stock which was used in a crime by a thug, and that maybe he could take my word for it that it was no longer a pistol.

He then hung up on me.

Assuming a guilty verdict, after trial, and after appropriate appelate delays, all firearms are destroyed. Heck, we'll even destroy stolen firearms without notifying the owners (though plenty of officers will try to locate the owner and have the owner bug porperty and evidence––-in which case the owner will eventually get their weapon back.) In cases of not guilty verdicts or case dismissal, the weapons will be returned, if asked for, usually*, so long as the person is not a prohibited person. (My stolen Para-Ord P-16-40 was destroyed, for example, with not one single attempt to notify me that it was recovered.)

*I say "usually" because there is a court case going on right now where the department and the D.A.'s office are being sued to make us/them release a man's firearm that was seized in '06. I do not know the details of the case though.

Well, I could have submitted a request through the chain of command to get permission to sue, but I suspect my chances would have been low.

I only found out about a few years after the fact anyway, and that was a while ago––-so even if decided to try and sue, I no longer can, as the tort was too long ago.

ETA: To clarify, the gun was stolen in '02, recovered in '03, destroyed in early '04, and I learned of it in late '05. A month or so before everybody's attention down here got rather abruptly grabbed by a larger issue.

not trying to thread jack, but this brings a querstion to mind.
When firarms are destroyed, ais there a record of serial numbers kept or submitted to the ATF?

If the serial numbers even remained, I wonder if there is records kept somewhere so 10 years later, someone is not knocking at your door looking for that gun.

I'm sure. someone somewhere is trying to account for everyfirearm out there. Sure it's an imposible task but i bet your ass, someone, somewhere is starting it and there might come a day, when they come lookking ( conspiracy theorist right).

but in all seriousness, if Obama and his gun haters had there way, every gun would be accounted for, even if it was guns sold from today and afterwards.

It's not as much work as you think to pull the FFL's paperwork and record names into an excell speadsheet....

and theres already record of which serial numbers are manufactured and to where they went...

As a FFL and as a licensed auctioneer with a real estate broker's license, I've seen more than my fair share. However, most are way more benign than you'd suspect. In order of commonality:

1. SBSes. I don't know what it is about Wisconsin, but it seems that every tenth or twelfth old red barn has an ancient breech loading single barrel shotgun that looks like it was dragged 100 miles down a dirt road. The barrel is chopped "a little short." The buttstock's always there, though cracks, splits, and accompanying "I done fix'ed it!" stock repairs are common. No criminal intent- it was done by gran'pappy back whenever to make the gun more easy to tote and use for blasting burrowing varmints and other crop destroying animals from the farm plow. Plenty of 12 and 20 gauges, though I see a lot of 16 gauges and some .410 bores too. Rode hard and put away wet, these are working guns that were purely concocted as a farming implement- no different than a seed spreader or a milking machine to the owner. Most of the farmers/would-be sellers have an inkling that the gun "might be a hair on the short side," but they have no clue just how much trouble their ancient farm tool could cause.

ETA: I remember one farm with one of these SBSes. I was there to evaluate the farm for sale; the farmer was well into his 80s and it was "time for him and mama to relax." The kids all had jobs in different cities. He had an old single shot 20 gauge with a somewhere-around-12" barrel. This gun lived in a scabbard his mother hand-stitched for him. Mom even stitched on an additional pouch for spare shells! This gun moved between whatever tractor or sprayer or whatever he was using in the fields that day. There were at least half a dozen coats of varnish slopped on the wood and the metal blue would rate 10% on a clouded moonless night, but the old gun did its job well enough. I guess that I remember this one because of that hand-stitched scabbard and small shell pouch.

2. SBRs. Not under-the-table ARs or whatever- we're talking nearly always .22 caliber (short, long, and/or long rifle) single shots and pump gallery guns. No criminal intent- this was done back when you cut the gun to fit the boy. The vast majority of the would-be sellers are surprised to discover that their rifle is an inch or two under legal (it's rare to see much below a 14" barrel), though occasionally an elderly one (often that original boy) wondered now and again if their first rifle was a little short. Sentimental value usually keeps these old rifles around- most are shot out or can't function due to some internal part that broke during the Eisenhower (or earlier!) years.

3. SBRs again, but rifles cut into pistols. It wasn't always illegal (yet again, no criminal intent), and it was easier to save a good rifle with a destroyed stock by creating a pistol than it was to cobble up a home-made stock. The sellers usually have no idea there's a problem with the gun, and some don't even know it was ever anything but a handgun in the first place. They're usually surprised to discover just how troublesome their handgun really is in the eyes of the law.

4. AOWs, specifically items like the Stevens #35 Autoshot and the H&R Handy Gun. They were inexpensive and essentially did the job of item #1 when you didn't want to "ruin" a good "pot-filler" shotgun by cutting it down. No one ever believes that Great-Grandpa's old single shot handgun is "as illegal as a machine gun." (I've yet to meet ONE person who knew that their smooth bore handgun was a problem.) As above, no criminal intent.

5. Machine guns, specifically war trophies. I've been forced to walk away from bringbacks from every war from WW1 to Afghanistan. Sometimes it's a widow with her late husband's weird gun, other times it's a shitheel with something he stole from the base armory yesterday. Knowledge and criminal intent varies from "My dear departed Elmer had a MACHINE GUN??! Oh, my!" to "Toss me $500 and I'll get you plenty more where it came from...."

Mike

That looks fine. 3" longer than the mag extension.

Gig 'em,

backbencher

Had a customer come in yesterday, (not a gun shop) and we were chatting about guns, ARs in particular. He told me he had built a pistol on a carbine receiver, then added a VFG to it, then "took it apart." I told him it was real cheap insurance to buy a stripped receiver.

Do all felons brag about their achievements?

Gig 'em,

backbencher

A guy I worked with for a bit was looking to sell some guns to get them out of the house and away from his kid. He was offering me a Mac for around $250-300. I was semi interested....until he dropped the fact that it had a suppressor. I asked about paperwork, and he told me it didn't need any ....that it was fine since it was an oil-filled suppressor.

I turned and ran.

My cousins husband died of heart failure. He had a small gunshop where he sold mostly hgh end trap guns and reloading components. In helping them clean the place out and catalog everything. They found a BAR under a display case. someone did a function check and yep, it was the real deal. I tried to explain to my retard cousins about NFA and the best thing they could do was bandsaw it into a dozen pieces and chuck it in the lake or call the ATF to come get it since the law breaker was dead. One of my older cousins intervened, said he knew someone who would buy it. I dont like him anyway, I hope he is in prison.

I havent talked to any of them since.

If it was papered then that it would be a bigass mistake to destroy it.