I was wondering as well.

do you do the trust before or after the nfa item is made I am going to do a sbr of my daewoo k 2 thanks

Anyone used a RLT to purchase a silencer/silencer(s)? I have heard a lot of suggestions that this is definitely the way to go but I am having some trouble finding someone to enplane the process to me. Any Help with MUCH thanks in advance.

I already know that if I choose this route...My first cousin will be the man named in the Trust. And he is also my SOT/FLL Class 3 Dealer but is new to it...just about going on his second year. The reason for selecting him is because he has SAFE Storage room. like 12X8 room with a safe door thats humidity controlled and all in his house and anything i ever own weapon related is going to him if something happens to me, and some of it might spend time their while im at school anyway.


is there an NFA RLT for Dummies somewhere, or just some old pro i could get some info from?

Here are some links I've come across:

http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?t=107341

http://www.86th.org/?id=nfa-trust

http://www.arizonagunlist.com/How_to_buy_NFA_class3_weapons_with_a_revocable_living_trust_without_a_CLEO_signoff.html

That's why you should have COMPETENT LEGAL advice, not that which you find on the internet. Moreover, the trust placed above is NOT NFA specific, it does not explain all the duties and obligations of the trustee, does not deal with NFA specific issues, and is alleged to be a Maryland trust (the trust law may have changed since that was written). For several hundred dollars, is it worth risking forfeiture and possible criminal prosecution? See my article http://blog.princelaw.com/2009/3/3/can-i-use-quicken-will-and-trust-maker-for-my-gun-nfa-trust

This had probably already been answered... If duplicate I apologize.


Suppressors and AOWs do NOT require a 5320.20 to move or transport interstate. Only SBR, SBS, DD, and FA's do. Regardless of Trustee Status in your trust, no trustee can have possession (without yours or another Trustee's presence) unless he/she is over the age of 21 for ANY NFA (regardless of type). Example: If your primary trustee is 20 years old, he/she cannot be in sole possession of your NFA unless another trustee over 21 is present. Once he/she turns 21 then they can possess the items just as you can irrespective of primary ownership.

Same goes for Beneficiaries. Say you choose to bequeath your NFA collection to a child, and at the time of your passing your child is only 10 years old. You will also need to establish a Trustee to care for these items FOR your child until they reach legal age (21 years old) at which time per the guidance of the Trust your child fills out the requisite forms, mails them to the ATF, gains approval, and then takes possession of the NFA. Although your death transfers ownership of the device to your child, he/she cannot be in legal sole possession of the device(s) until they turn of age AND fulfill ATF's ownership criteria (meaning submitting to the background check and transferring procedure). The only difference between their transfer and your initial transfer is the device will transfer from your trust to them as individuals without the CLEO signoff and Tax. Fingerprints and photos will still be required (as I understand things). Unless you stipulate the Trust transfers with the device, then nothing is required except the registration form (x2) and proof of citizenship. Either way it transfers from you to them tax free.

Another factor that MUST be addressed is if the state the Trustee lives in disallows the particular NFA device, then the Trust is worthless to them. I have two properties. One is in Florida and the other is in Alabama. My trustee in Alabama cannot be in possession of my SBR or SBS due to state law, but they can be in possession of any of my full autos, suppressors, or AOW's (providing I have an approved 5320.20 for the full autos).

5320.20s will be approved in upwards of 1 year increments. I keep 5320.20's on hand for all my NFA (although its only required for my SBS, SBR, FA's, and DD's) for several states (that I frequent) for periods covering 1 Jan to 31 Dec of the particular year (month doesn't matter as long as its only for 1 year increments).

Say that (as military) you get PCS'd to a state that does not allow NFA. You would fill out a 5320.20 for each NFA device making sure on the form you do NOT stipulate it will be returning to the original address. This will permanently move the item to the new state. When your 3 year tour is up and you can either EAOS or PCS to another station in a state that DOES allow the NFA in question, you simply fill out another 5320.20 for each item moving them to the state your currently in. It's a very simple form. Fill it out and fax it to the BATF or mail it in duplicate. You need NO other supporting documentation. You dont need to reattach a copy of the trust (they already have that on file for that particular item), or proof of citizenship. Just the 5320.20. Remember if mailing it, you need to mail 2 copies. If faxing then only one.

Hope this clears it up.

Do I put the suppressor I'm purchasing under the 'Schedule A' along with serial number?

Or do I leave that blank since I haven't been approved for it.


Also, do I need to submit an 'Assignment of Property'?

Again, do I list the suppressor I am trying to purchase? Or leave that blank as well?

I agree with roland.

Most people will tell you that if your CLEO will sigh go that way.

The trust is the way to go becaue it avoids probate and you can list additional people who are allowed to posses the NFA items.

No the grantor can also be a trustee - you just cannot be the grantor, trustee and beneficiary.

I know the answer will vary some and isn't set in stone, but generally speaking how much does it cost to set up a gun trust? I am a Firearms Instructor in the Dallas area and want to get a SBR and silencer or three... I'm assuming you went with a revocable trust, but what are the general costs for both?