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Posted: 5/7/2009 10:47:43 PM
Originally Posted By 45FMJoe:
If I live within city limits can I still go to the county sheriff as CLEO or do I have to hope the city police chief will sign off on my Form 1?

Either one may legally sign for you.
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Posted: 5/8/2009 3:05:14 PM
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I live in the next county to the one my city of residence is in. (the city is on my legal address.) I was told by a Class III I could go to either. I know the cops at the city, the county is a much longer drive. (My town encompasses two counties within it's borders technically but I am NOT within city limits - neither are a lot of folks.) Do I have to go to the sheriff as CLEO since they have jurisdiction? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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Posted: 5/10/2009 1:38:02 AM
Originally Posted By Morg308:
I live in the next county to the one my city of residence is in. (the city is on my legal address.) I was told by a Class III I could go to either. I know the cops at the city, the county is a much longer drive. (My town encompasses two counties within it's borders technically but I am NOT within city limits - neither are a lot of folks.) Do I have to go to the sheriff as CLEO since they have jurisdiction? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
It has to be signed by who ever has jurisdiction over your residence.

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Posted: 5/14/2009 9:39:00 AM
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
what do you suggest for caliber if you plan on usingg different ones?

What about different barrell lengths? should you just put 6 inches down and then you can alwaays go longer?
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Caliber doesn't matter. the ONLY stipulation to this is whatever caliber you put on the form you need to be able to 'readily' convert the weapon back to that caliber. Sometimes they will approve "Multi" in the caliber box, sometimes they wont... who knows this those people...

If you make a 5.56 SBR AR-15 then you want to list the caliber as "5.56". If you want to shoot 9mm or .22 out of it, you can, just have the 5.56 upper in your safe some place as to 'readily' convert back to 5.56.


REGARDLESS of current weapon's configuration, to change the weapon's classification (from pistol to rifle) it DOES constitute a remanufacture. Example: One of the above poster's asked a question about his SIG 556 Pistol and wanting to make it a SBR... You can indeed do that, but you MUST engrave your information on the receiver or barrel of the weapon (use the receiver that way you can change the barrel out at will and not have to engrave another bbl) because YOU are remanufacturing the item. YOU are now the manufacturer of the device NOT Sig Saur. IF you could get Sig Saur to Form 2 the gun (as a 07 Manufacturer) then no engraving would be required, but it would require a Form 3 to a dealer then a form 4 to you. (Or Form 4 directly to you if you live in the same state as Sig Saur's registered address). SS is WAY to busy to do this, so they wont. Besides It's MUCH easier to engrave your info on the receiver, file the Form 1, and go that route.
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Posted: 5/14/2009 11:38:58 AM
I just put in as many calibers as I could ever imagine using, even though it is going to be a dedicated 9mm, I just like giving myself options.
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Posted: 5/15/2009 12:29:05 AM
I'm registering one of Denny's old model Lower Receivers with the Global Tactical rollmark, but made by Stag Arms for him. Box 4a says to put the name and location of the original manufacturer. Do I put Stag Arms; Denny's/GTS; or both?
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Posted: 5/18/2009 12:33:14 PM
Once a lower is approved and engraved for a SBR can it be used with a non SBR upper?
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Posted: 5/18/2009 2:17:22 PM
Originally Posted By FB3:
Once a lower is approved and engraved for a SBR can it be used with a non SBR upper?


Yes. That's what I am doing. I have a 16" middy & instead of dropping an additional 300-400 on another lower, I just assume put that money toward my SBR upper. Later on I plan on getting a new lower for the 16" after I've paid the SBR upper off.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:03:55 AM
EITorito,

Thanks, that would make sense, but remember who we are dealing with here! I just got started on establishing a trust, so will get the project moving in the future.
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Posted: 6/4/2009 7:25:23 PM
How many fingerprint cards are required per NFA item? I'm guessing 2 cards, but I can't remember since the last time I did an SBR.

Thanks,
Sean
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Posted: 6/4/2009 9:19:09 PM
Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
How many fingerprint cards are required per NFA item? I'm guessing 2 cards, but I can't remember since the last time I did an SBR.

Thanks,
Sean

Two fingerprint cards
Two applications (Form 1, 4, etc.)
One 5330.20
One check
One set of any supporting documentation (Trust, corporate charter, etc.)
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Posted: 6/4/2009 9:22:29 PM
Thanks Tony. Somehow I missed that there were 4 pages to this thread. I didn't see it answered on page one and I guess I wasn't paying attention to there being more. Hopefully, I didn't ask the same question someone already asked.

My apologies if that was the case.

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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:44:55 PM
Ok - new to the class 3 thing. I have a few questions. I’m sure some will be stupid, but here goes.

Is there a required size of font for the engraving?

Can you own a lower and short barreled upper legally as long as you don’t put then together?

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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:54:47 PM
And another question. In filling out the form 1, can I just use my first name initial or does it have to be the whole name?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 5:21:57 PM
So I guess the font can be any size?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:54:12 PM
Originally Posted By ScubaTexas:
So I guess the font can be any size?


This is what I found from the ATF NFA Handbook:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_handbook/

Chapter 7

Section 7.4 The identification of firearms.
7.4.1 Serial numbers. Each manufacturer of a firearm must legibly identify it by engraving, stamping
(impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing on the firearm’s frame or receiver an individual serial
number not duplicating any serial number placed by the manufacturer on any other firearm. The
requirement that the marking be “conspicuously” placed on the firearm means that the marking must be
wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, the serial
number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.


From what I can tell (please correct me if I'm wrong) they only have written requirements for the serial number. All other information needs only to be legible.
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:32:15 PM
Thanks GT, I starting to think no one reads these post anymore.
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Posted: 6/17/2009 9:15:07 PM
No problem, ScubaTexas. I'm glad I could help you out.

Maybe you'll be able to help me with my question:

I'm planning on registering a Stag-15 lower as an SBR which is currently stamped caliber 5.56. I'm planning on initially building it as a 300 whisper / 300/221 and engraving the upper (and all other uppers assembled for it in the future)with the caliber only. I currently have no plans on ever building a SBR 5.56 (though I'll be listing it as one of the possible calibers on the Form 1 just in case). All other required information (Trust Name, City, State) will be on the lower.

Does anyone know if there would be any legal problem with having the engraver remove the existing caliber stamp from the lower receiver, as long as the upper or barrel was stamped with the caliber, to avoid having conflicting information on the gun?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 9:25:48 PM
Originally Posted By GTvaportrail:
I'm planning on registering a Stag-15 lower as an SBR which is currently stamped caliber 5.56. I'm planning on initially building it as a 300 whisper / 300/221 and engraving the upper (and all other uppers assembled for it in the future)with the caliber only. I currently have no plans on ever building a SBR 5.56 (though I'll be listing it as one of the possible calibers on the Form 1 just in case). All other required information (Trust Name, City, State) will be on the lower.

Does anyone know if there would be any legal problem with having the engraver remove the existing caliber stamp from the lower receiver, as long as the upper or barrel was stamped with the caliber, to avoid having conflicting information on the gun?

ATF does not require you to engrave the caliber on a Form 1'd SBR –– the original host-gun manufacturer's caliber engravings are sufficient, even if they are not the caliber listed on your Form 1.

The Form 1 must only match the initial configuration of the SBR.
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Posted: 6/18/2009 6:31:39 AM

ATF does not require you to engrave the caliber on a Form 1'd SBR –– the original host-gun manufacturer's caliber engravings are sufficient, even if they are not the caliber listed on your Form 1.

The Form 1 must only match the initial configuration of the SBR.


Thanks Tony K, I think I'm good to go now.
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Posted: 6/19/2009 7:40:06 PM
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On a form 1 suppressor with a trust what do you put in line 4A (my name or trust name) and what do I put in 4H?
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Posted: 6/25/2009 9:51:17 AM
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Originally Posted By ScottyPotty:
On a form 1 suppressor with a trust what do you put in line 4A (my name or trust name) and what do I put in 4H?


This is my understanding:
If you're going the trust route, the trust is the maker. So in 4A, put the trust name. I have never put anything in 4H. Other parts of the form require caliber, length, serial number, etc. That said, I have never manufactured a silencer on a Form 1. Someone else may be able to offer better (or more correct) advice. You could also call the ATF and ask them.

I suggest you go to www.silencertalk.com. They have a forum there dedicated to people who like to build their own silencers. I'm sure someone there could answer your question to your satisfaction. Please post back here and let us know what you find out.
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Posted: 6/25/2009 12:05:26 PM
Originally Posted By Stan_TheGunNut:
Originally Posted By ScottyPotty:
On a form 1 suppressor with a trust what do you put in line 4A (my name or trust name) and what do I put in 4H?


This is my understanding:
If you're going the trust route, the trust is the maker. So in 4A, put the trust name. I have never put anything in 4H. Other parts of the form require caliber, length, serial number, etc. That said, I have never manufactured a silencer on a Form 1. Someone else may be able to offer better (or more correct) advice. You could also call the ATF and ask them.

I suggest you go to www.silencertalk.com. They have a forum there dedicated to people who like to build their own silencers. I'm sure someone there could answer your question to your satisfaction. Please post back here and let us know what you find out.


Thanks for the help - I have registered over at silencertalk but its been about a week now with no email.

I will update with an answer once I get one.
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Posted: 6/25/2009 12:13:37 PM
Originally Posted By ScottyPotty:
On a form 1 suppressor with a trust what do you put in line 4A (my name or trust name) and what do I put in 4H?


UP DATE

I just called the NFA - here is what they told me.

Line 4A = Trust Name

Line 4H = Trust Name, Location

I should have called earlier it would have save me hours looking this up.....
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Posted: 7/1/2009 1:49:20 PM
Well hope all your advised is correct, just mailed my form 1 off.

Do have one question. On engraving, does it have to be the whole first name or can you use you first name initial?
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