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Posted: 2/6/2009 4:21:34 PM
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The engraving represents the address of the maker at the moment the NFA item is "made." Once it exists, no further engraving is neccessary, just as Colt or Winchester do not need to recall all their production and re-engrave them all every time the companies move. For in-state moves, ATF asks that you notify them –– just send them a letter with your new address. They do not issue any new paperwork. For interstate moves, you are required to file a Form 5320.20 application listing your new address, and get the approved copy in your hands before you actually transport the item to the new state. Again, though, your Form 1 or Form 4 is unchanged, so you just keep the copy of the .20 with your other paperwork. Copy, thanks for the information. |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 1:34:26 AM
so i also need to fill out the ATF Form 5330.20? im sending my paperwork in sometime this week, but i was not aware of this form.....
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Posted: 2/13/2009 7:40:34 AM
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I haven't check out EVERY thread but haven't seen this asked.
I just picked up a RRA lower to do my SBR. The lower is marked "cal 5.56mm" but the 7inch upper im listing is in 9mm. So in box 4E i have 7" but in box 4C do i put 5.56 (what the receiver says) or 9mm (what the barrel is) |
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Posted: 2/13/2009 12:02:24 PM
Originally Posted By viper5243:
I haven't check out EVERY thread but haven't seen this asked. I just picked up a RRA lower to do my SBR. The lower is marked "cal 5.56mm" but the 7inch upper im listing is in 9mm. So in box 4E i have 7" but in box 4C do i put 5.56 (what the receiver says) or 9mm (what the barrel is) The description on the Form 1 should match the configuration of how you are going to initially build it. So if you are putting a 9mm upper on it, you list 9mm as the caliber, regardless of any conflicting markings on the receiver. |
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Posted: 2/13/2009 4:39:17 PM
Originally Posted By Err0r:
Yes you can put any size barrel on it as long as you can return it to the original 10.5 upper. If you plan on selling the 10.5 upper you would need to mail the ATF a letter stating your new barrel length A co worker called the ATF and was told that this is not the case? He asked if she was familiar with the AR platform and she said no. How would someone find out for SURE if this is correct? She did say you could put any length SBR barrel on it just not a 16"+ |
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Posted: 2/18/2009 4:30:18 PM
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Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
what do you suggest for caliber if you plan on usingg different ones? What about different barrell lengths? should you just put 6 inches down and then you can alwaays go longer? Thanks My understanding is that whatever barrel length and caliber that you place on your Form 1, you should be able to maintain that configuration. For example, if you state that you have a 10.5 inch barrel in 5.56 mm, make sure that you can restore the SBR to that configuration by keeping a 10.5 in barrel in 5.56 mm in your safe. You can change calibers and barrel length as long as you can restore it to its configuration as identified on the Form 1. I have also heard that the ATF appreciates it if you attach a separate sheet stating that you also intend on using the SBR with the following calibers and barrel lengths when you send the paperwork off. However, I have never extended them this courtesy. Question... can you list the standard 18" barrel and OAL on the SBR form instead of a 10.5 or such barrel? It would make it easier to return it to that configuration if something were to happen to it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2009 6:03:41 PM
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Question... can you list the standard 18" barrel and OAL on the SBR form instead of a 10.5 or such barrel? It would make it easier to return it to that configuration if something were to happen to it. No. Because a rifle with a barrel over 16" and an OAL over 26" does not fall within the definition of a Short-Barrelled Rifle, and thus ATF will reject the application. |
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Posted: 2/19/2009 10:34:52 AM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By Blund:
Question... can you list the standard 18" barrel and OAL on the SBR form instead of a 10.5 or such barrel? It would make it easier to return it to that configuration if something were to happen to it. No. Because a rifle with a barrel over 16" and an OAL over 26" does not fall within the definition of a Short-Barrelled Rifle, and thus ATF will reject the application. Gotcha, thanks! |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 7:17:24 PM
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My rifle will have a 10.5 barrel on it. Do I measure the OAL with the stock collapsed or extended?
ETA: Think I found it. It should be extended with muzzle devices removed. |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 9:16:53 PM
For listing the OAL, do you need to put the shortest length possible if using a collapsible stock?
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Posted: 3/3/2009 11:36:49 PM
I'm using a trust if you use name/trust on the receiver do you also put the same thing on the form 1?
Also using a trust what info do you put on the schedule A of the trust? Do you send it in blank? Thanks RLP |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:48:11 PM
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No. Because a rifle with a barrel over 16" and an OAL over 26" does not fall within the definition of a Short-Barrelled Rifle, and thus ATF will reject the application. [/quote] I'm a little confused here. I'm told the OAL of my V53 with a collapsible buttstock will be 29.5". Will the ATF reject my application if my bbl is 8" or is it a combination of "bbl over 16 inches and OAL over 26 inches"? Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/5/2009 8:31:09 AM
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Originally Posted By mvintx:
I'm a little confused here. I'm told the OAL of my V53 with a collapsible buttstock will be 29.5". Will the ATF reject my application if my bbl is 8" or is it a combination of "bbl over 16 inches and OAL over 26 inches"? Thanks. A rifle is defined as a shoulder-fired gun with a barrel over 16" and an OAL of over 26". A rifle which does not meet both minimums falls into the Short-Barrelled Rifle category of the NFA. So your V53 will qualify as an SBR because the barrel is under 16 inches. |
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Posted: 3/5/2009 8:52:47 AM
Ahso, thank you very much, sir.
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Posted: 4/7/2009 9:28:14 PM
I thought all forms had to go to GA now... no??
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Posted: 4/7/2009 9:32:04 PM
Originally Posted By Spectre323:
I thought all forms had to go to GA now... no?? No. Everything goes to Ga. except Form 1's, which instead go to W.Va. 
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Posted: 4/7/2009 9:36:59 PM
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Ahh Ok, so then everything on this page is current then?? 09/2007 is the latest rev?
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Posted: 4/9/2009 9:29:00 PM
Ugh....
I just stuck my form 1 in the mail box and realized i forgot my copy of my trust. You guys think it will be ok if i send it separately and just put my Trust Name ans SN addressed to my examiner? |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 3:54:52 PM
OK, so what is the correct address to send the Form 1 to for SBR? I've got my paperwork completed and just want to make sure I address the envelope to the right place......
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Posted: 4/12/2009 9:36:36 PM
Form 1's should be mailed to:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives National Firearms Act Branch 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405 |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 9:55:42 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Form 1's should be mailed to: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives National Firearms Act Branch 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405 That is the address on the form, but I have been seeing conflicting posts saying to mail it to Atlanta. 
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:43:57 AM
Form 1's have never been sent to Atlanta. You can send them there if you want to, but all it will do is delay the approval of the Form 1.
Here is The Way Things Work: ––Atlanta is the Form-processing center for BATFE. They handle most all ATF paperwork and fees. They also handle most all bank deposits of ATF fees. ––The exception to the above is NFA applications, which are handled by NFA branch, located in West Virginia. Form 4's are processed first by Atlanta, where they strip out the checks/MOs/etc. and deposit them, then forward the rest of the application to W.Va. for processing. Form 1's are treated differently from Form 4's because applications to make an NFA item are circumscibed by both federal and state law. Many states do not allow residents to make NFA items of a particular class; federal law does not allow any non-LE-or-mil to make an MG. Rather than deposit the funds only to have the application rejected later, Form 1's are first examined by the W.Va. staff to make sure what is being proposed to be made is legal, then the package is sent to Atlanta for processing of the fees, and it is returned to W.Va. for processing. So yes, you can send a Form 1 to Atlanta. It will be forwarded by mail to W.Va., then reforwarded to Atlanta for payment processing, then reforwarded back to W.Va. for processing. If you want to delay the processing of your Form 1 by a couple of weeks, send it to Atlanta. If you want it approved as fast as possible, send it to W.Va. |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:52:55 AM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Form 1's have never been sent to Atlanta. You can send them there if you want to, but all it will do is delay the approval of the Form 1. Here is The Way Things Work: ––Atlanta is the Form-processing center for BATFE. They handle most all ATF paperwork and fees. They also handle most all bank deposits of ATF fees. ––The exception to the above is NFA applications, which are handled by NFA branch, located in West Virginia. Form 4's are processed first by Atlanta, where they strip out the checks/MOs/etc. and deposit them, then forward the rest of the application to W.Va. for processing. Form 1's are treated differently from Form 4's because applications to make an NFA item are circumscibed by both federal and state law. Many states do not allow residents to make NFA items of a particular class; federal law does not allow any non-LE-or-mil to make an MG. Rather than deposit the funds only to have the application rejected later, Form 1's are first examined by the W.Va. staff to make sure what is being proposed to be made is legal, then the package is sent to Atlanta for processing of the fees, and it is returned to W.Va. for processing. So yes, you can send a Form 1 to Atlanta. It will be forwarded by mail to W.Va., then reforwarded to Atlanta for payment processing, then reforwarded back to W.Va. for processing. If you want to delay the processing of your Form 1 by a couple of weeks, send it to Atlanta. If you want it approved as fast as possible, send it to W.Va. Thanks for the clarification. That is EXACTLY what I was looking for. |
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Posted: 5/4/2009 9:19:57 PM
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Originally Posted By pd7575:
I am going to SBR my rifle and this is what I was told by my FFL to engrave on the lower FFL name The engraved name must be the name of the maker applicant on the Form 1 (or Form 2 for manufacturers). So if the FFL is registering it in his name, you use his name (and he is responsible for engraving it, not you); if you are filing a Form 1, you engrave your name, not the FFL's. City and State SBR Ser# Just use the existing serial number. There is no requirement to add a second serial number, and BATFE recommends you not do so. Is this correct and if not what needs to go on the lower to make it right. Thanks for the help You engrave: Your name Your city/state Can you appreviate your first name with an initial, like M. Mouse rather than Mickey Mouse? It seems that way from pics in threads I've seen. Thanks. |
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If I live within city limits can I still go to the county sheriff as CLEO or do I have to hope the city police chief will sign off on my Form 1?
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