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Posted: 10/7/2011 10:19:41 AM
Originally Posted By collegeboy:
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Quick question for guys using a trust. When filling out a form 1 for the address should I put trust name, my name, and then address? or just trust name then address? Apparently just our trust name, then your address Correct. You are not the applicant; the trust is the entity filing the application, and the trust will be the maker of record. The only place your name appears on the Form 1 is where you sign it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:41:25 PM
Thats what I thought just wanted to be sure, Thanks for the help guys.
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Posted: 10/10/2011 1:42:06 AM
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I have a question filling out form 5330.20 using a trust.
I understand this form needs to be sent along with 2 copies of form 1. Exactly what do I write on line 1 ? Mickey Mouse Trust (in the right side of form where it says Name of corp, partnership or assoc? On line 2 do I write my name as Mickey Mouse ? At the bottom on line 7 do I sign my name as Mickey Mouse trustee?? Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:15:56 PM
I'm using Livng Trust Maker and its not giving me the option of naming my trust. Instead it asks for my full name. Once its completed it refers to it as the "Joe John Smith Revokable Living Trust". Is anyone familier with this program that can help? Im trying to avoid having my entire long name engraved on my lower.
Also, on the "Certification of Compliance" Form 5330.20, am I also the name that goes in #2? |
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Posted: 10/14/2011 6:30:52 AM
Originally Posted By cmurray08:
I'm using Livng Trust Maker and its not giving me the option of naming my trust. Instead it asks for my full name. Once its completed it refers to it as the "Joe John Smith Revokable Living Trust". Is anyone familier with this program that can help? Im trying to avoid having my entire long name engraved on my lower. Also, on the "Certification of Compliance" Form 5330.20, am I also the name that goes in #2? I used my "last name" revocable trust. I also believe I'm correct on that other form (1 post up). So yes (to your other question). Write in "trustee" next to your name. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:05:10 PM
Cool, thanks
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Posted: 12/24/2011 7:41:35 PM
Do you glue the pictures to the Form 1 or just paperclip them with the package when you mail it?
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Posted: 12/27/2011 1:59:54 AM
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Do you glue the pictures to the Form 1 or just paperclip them with the package when you mail it? I stuck mine on with some double-sided tape. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 1:03:32 PM
Its been years since I send the ATF a form. After reading the original post I see I can no longer just send a "Certification of Trust" that is signed and notarized. It says I need a "true copy". Can someone better explain this to me?
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Posted: 1/8/2012 12:06:00 PM
Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Its been years since I send the ATF a form. After reading the original post I see I can no longer just send a "Certification of Trust" that is signed and notarized. It says I need a "true copy". Can someone better explain this to me? You need to send the entire trust document. Not just a notarized piece of paper saying you have a trust. |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 2:09:44 PM
Hello Guys, (& a few gals I'm sure). New here & to AR15, especially SBRs. Pretty cool stuff. I've been a pistol guy for quite awhile.
Anyway, sending in my Form 1. After a few hours of reading here everything I read is not to put anything in 14B which states it's for 'Additional Description'. All of the advise from forum members say leave it blank. Wouldn't the engraving be an additional engraving?? You are adding information to the receiver @ name & address. That is the only confussion on this newbie's part. Thank in advance! |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 2:12:31 PM
Originally Posted By Killick:
Hello Guys, (& a few gals I'm sure). New here & to AR15, especially SBRs. Pretty cool stuff. I've been a pistol guy for quite awhile. Anyway, sending in my Form 1. After a few hours of reading here everything I read is not to put anything in 14B which states it's for 'Additional Description'. All of the advise from forum members say leave it blank. Wouldn't the engraving be an additional engraving?? You are adding information to the receiver @ name & address. That is the only confussion on this newbie's part. Thank in advance! Tony has covered this numerous times in this very thread. Leave 4h blank. If you're SBRing an imported Title I firearm, then you'd use 4h to put the importer's info. |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 2:24:20 PM
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Killick:
Hello Guys, (& a few gals I'm sure). New here & to AR15, especially SBRs. Pretty cool stuff. I've been a pistol guy for quite awhile. Anyway, sending in my Form 1. After a few hours of reading here everything I read is not to put anything in 14B which states it's for 'Additional Description'. All of the advise from forum members say leave it blank. Wouldn't the engraving be an additional engraving?? You are adding information to the receiver @ name & address. That is the only confussion on this newbie's part. Thank in advance! Tony has covered this numerous times in this very thread. Leave 4h blank. If you're SBRing an imported Title I firearm, then you'd use 4h to put the importer's info. Correct. Here's the deal: At the time you submit the Form 1, your engraving does not have to be on the firearm –– the legal requirement to engrave your info is only triggered when the Form 1 is approved. You must engrave it before the actual SBR is assembled. The Form 1 only describes the host firearm as it exists at the time the application is submitted. So if no engraving is required at that point, you do not need to write anything on the Form 1 itself. However, if you do write what you intend to engrave on the Form 1, you have voluntarily submitted unnecessary info, and based on that information, NFA Branch can and has rejected Form 1's. You are giving them an opportunity to slow down the approval. You still must engrave the SBR, under federal law. But there is no requirement that ATF review your intended engraving –– unless you ask them to, by putting it on the Form 1. When it comes to government or law enforcement, my rule is, never volunteer any info without being asked. All you are doing is bringing scrutiny on yourself, and that rarely works out well. Your Mileage May Vary. |
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Posted: 1/10/2012 9:15:01 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Killick:
Hello Guys, (& a few gals I'm sure). New here & to AR15, especially SBRs. Pretty cool stuff. I've been a pistol guy for quite awhile. Anyway, sending in my Form 1. After a few hours of reading here everything I read is not to put anything in 14B which states it's for 'Additional Description'. All of the advise from forum members say leave it blank. Wouldn't the engraving be an additional engraving?? You are adding information to the receiver @ name & address. That is the only confussion on this newbie's part. Thank in advance! Tony has covered this numerous times in this very thread. Leave 4h blank. If you're SBRing an imported Title I firearm, then you'd use 4h to put the importer's info. Correct. Here's the deal: At the time you submit the Form 1, your engraving does not have to be on the firearm –– the legal requirement to engrave your info is only triggered when the Form 1 is approved. You must engrave it before the actual SBR is assembled. The Form 1 only describes the host firearm as it exists at the time the application is submitted. So if no engraving is required at that point, you do not need to write anything on the Form 1 itself. However, if you do write what you intend to engrave on the Form 1, you have voluntarily submitted unnecessary info, and based on that information, NFA Branch can and has rejected Form 1's. You are giving them an opportunity to slow down the approval. You still must engrave the SBR, under federal law. But there is no requirement that ATF review your intended engraving –– unless you ask them to, by putting it on the Form 1. When it comes to government or law enforcement, my rule is, never volunteer any info without being asked. All you are doing is bringing scrutiny on yourself, and that rarely works out well. Your Mileage May Vary. Thank you Josh & also, more so to you Tony. Your explanation makes all the sense in the world. The form itself isn't very clear, (as with most of it). This morning I went to the police and dropped off my forms for the chief to sign. Hopefully this won't be a drawn out process. And in my city even for a resident a $10.00 charge for each set of prints. Wish me luck! |
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Posted: 1/11/2012 4:30:05 PM
Originally Posted By Pain:
I have a question filling out form 5330.20 using a trust. I understand this form needs to be sent along with 2 copies of form 1. Exactly what do I write on line 1 ? Mickey Mouse Trust (in the right side of form where it says Name of corp, partnership or assoc? this is the correct placement? On line 2 do I write my name as Mickey Mouse ? this is the correct placement? At the bottom on line 7 do I sign my name as Mickey Mouse trustee?? name or trust name Thanks! I never really saw where these 3 parts were answered fully. Thanks for any clarification in advance. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:16:51 PM
After reading all of this thread....and going cross eyed. Just to infinitely clarify the contents to be sent to the BATF to SBR a lower receiver, so as to not protract the process.
1. Two (2) original copies of the Form 1 (signed by my local CLEO, not a problem where i live) 2. Two (2) passport sized photos affixed to the Form 1 3. Two (2) finger print cards 3. One completed BATF Form 5330.20 And just to clarify, so as to not make any error, in the signature block and the name block. No other additional connotation is required i.e; Trustee, Grantor,etc...... attached printed after the name, since the form is being submitted with the CLEO section filled in. I know that the topic get beat into the ground, just want to make sure, since time, seems to be the biggest adversary in the process. Thanks for those who respond. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:31:13 PM
Originally Posted By Tango187:
After reading all of this thread....and going cross eyed. Just to infinitely clarify the contents to be sent to the BATF to SBR a lower receiver, so as to not protract the process. 1. Two (2) original copies of the Form 1 (signed by my local CLEO, not a problem where i live) 2. Two (2) passport sized photos affixed to the Form 1 3. Two (2) finger print cards 3. One completed BATF Form 5330.20 And just to clarify, so as to not make any error, in the signature block and the name block. No other additional connotation is required i.e; Trustee, Grantor,etc...... attached printed after the name, since the form is being submitted with the CLEO section filled in. I know that the topic get beat into the ground, just want to make sure, since time, seems to be the biggest adversary in the process. Thanks for those who respond. Correct. You're filing as an individual, so no titles necessary. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 5:07:30 PM
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Tango187:
After reading all of this thread....and going cross eyed. Just to infinitely clarify the contents to be sent to the BATF to SBR a lower receiver, so as to not protract the process. 1. Two (2) original copies of the Form 1 (signed by my local CLEO, not a problem where i live) 2. Two (2) passport sized photos affixed to the Form 1 3. Two (2) finger print cards 3. One completed BATF Form 5330.20 And just to clarify, so as to not make any error, in the signature block and the name block. No other additional connotation is required i.e; Trustee, Grantor,etc...... attached printed after the name, since the form is being submitted with the CLEO section filled in. I know that the topic get beat into the ground, just want to make sure, since time, seems to be the biggest adversary in the process. Thanks for those who respond. Correct. You're filing as an individual, so no titles necessary. Copy that, thanks |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 8:52:24 AM
I mailed my forms in a 12 X 12 envelope and did certified mail. Did I f up?
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:20:14 PM
I didn't see a lot of commentary about how I implemented lawful purchase of NFA stuff. I see a lot of guys are going through a lot for a trust with a lawyer. Much of that stuff pertains to inheritance and whatnot. I personally just started an LLC. This required merely an online state-level tax ID application (had it printed out in15 minutes literally) and then a written and mailed Federal EIN number (Employers Identification Number) application using the name from the state application. This is the requirement to have a govt. recognized business, not only if you are going to hire employees. Anyways, I started an LLC strictly for buying stuff like this. I have already gone through a form III and it went smooth. Anyways, going through the trust stuff with a lawyer is unnecessary IMHO. Likewise you cannot have a registered business name with the word "trust" in it since that is reserved for bank names. I hope this helps.
I guess my request is to revise the OP to mention an LLC as a quicker DIY alternative to a lawyer-initiated trust. I had lots of assistance from a dealer in recognizing that it works just fine. Ultimately the goober-ment just wants a way to keep track of you. That, and more loot in their war chest. |
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Posted: 2/3/2012 11:25:04 PM
Originally Posted By WizardBlack:
I didn't see a lot of commentary about how I implemented lawful purchase of NFA stuff. I see a lot of guys are going through a lot for a trust with a lawyer. Much of that stuff pertains to inheritance and whatnot. I personally just started an LLC. This required merely an online state-level tax ID application (had it printed out in15 minutes literally) and then a written and mailed Federal EIN number (Employers Identification Number) application using the name from the state application. This is the requirement to have a govt. recognized business, not only if you are going to hire employees. Anyways, I started an LLC strictly for buying stuff like this. I have already gone through a form III and it went smooth. Anyways, going through the trust stuff with a lawyer is unnecessary IMHO. Likewise you cannot have a registered business name with the word "trust" in it since that is reserved for bank names. I hope this helps. I guess my request is to revise the OP to mention an LLC as a quicker DIY alternative to a lawyer-initiated trust. I had lots of assistance from a dealer in recognizing that it works just fine. Ultimately the goober-ment just wants a way to keep track of you. That, and more loot in their war chest. I own almost all of my NFA via a corporation (the rest I own as an individual). But the reason trusts are so popular is that many states have hefty annual fees for corporations and LLCs. Here in Florida, for instance, I pay $158 per year to the state to keep the corporation legally viable. LLCs here are about the same in annual state fees. OTOH, trusts in Florida are free –– zero annual fees. Thus their popularity over corps and LLCs. Many other states are the same, with big annual fees for corps and LLCs. But AFAIK, no state requires trusts to ever pay a cent. Thus, more loot in their war chest. 
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Posted: 2/3/2012 11:42:04 PM
[Last Edit: 2/3/2012 11:44:07 PM by azarby]
You should be able to edit the final versoin in word before printing it. Just go in and find all instances of the long name assigned by the software and replace it with the new shortened name. Then save this file as it will be the same version as what you print and send in with your forms. If you make any revisions and or amendments, the program will still use the original name, so you will need to edit it again after every revsion/ammendment. A pain in the butt, but it gets the job done.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 1:49:10 AM
ok . I have my Form 1 prefilled out but I live where we dont have counties . we have "municipality" should i put that in line 3d?
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Posted: 2/13/2012 5:26:00 PM
I have a question, when sending in my paperwork for my sbr, what do I have to put on the assignment sheet?
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Posted: 2/26/2012 3:00:33 PM
I have seen a similar question asked on this thread and it never got answered. I have created my trust, and I already own the lower that I will make into a SBR. Do I need to include the lower on my schedule A or just put $1 and wait until I get approved to transfer it to the trust. If it is better to already have the lower on the Schedule A, is there anything I need to do to transfer the lower to the trust? or is it as easy as listing it on the Schedule A. Also, if I send in my paperwork with only $1 listed on my Schedule A and I get approved, is there anything that I need to do then to show the trusts ownership of the firearm other than simply listing it on schedule A? I guess what I'm asking is this- In order to transfer ownership of the firearm from "Joe Smith" to "Joe Smith Revocable Living Trust"(regardless of when it is done) Do you have to do anything other than listing it on a Schedule A?
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