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Posted: 10/27/2016 11:12:17 AM EDT
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Where in GA? What do you want the rifle for? I use a .54 Hawken for deer hunting around Augusta & Albany. With a patched round ball it drops a whitetail DRT. With a shot cup and #7 shot, it drops squirrel and rabbits (but is really overkill for them).
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Posted: 10/27/2016 5:31:39 PM EDT
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Use would be just man versus paper. Northeast Georgia.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 6:25:43 AM EDT
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Pedersoli makes some nice long rifles. Not too expensive.
If you're just gonna punch paper get a .45cal. More economical to shoot, less recoil. |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 6:37:11 PM EDT
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I'll look into the ones y'all suggested. Thanks.
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Posted: 10/29/2016 6:49:58 PM EDT
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If going flintlock, there are so many poor locks that many folks don't know what they are supposed to be like. Soft frizzens, overly strong springs, poor ignition. Lyman or Pedersoli would be the lowest for a lock which will actually work. If you only want percussion, the Thompson Centers are good but they didn't make the style you want.
You will have to do 'load development' just as with any other gun. There can be big variations in group size with the amount of powder used, the thickness of a patch, size of ball, type of lube, etc. You just need to experiment with loads to find the right combination for your gun, they are all individual. |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 8:19:59 PM EDT
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Before you buy anything, go to the public library and get Joe Kindig's, "Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle in the Golden Age," or Henry Kauffman's, "The Pennsylvania-Kentucky Rifle." At least glance at the pictures before you go out and buy. What Pedersoli sells and what was carried in the F&I War, American Revolution and the Federal Period are very different. Here's a link to a recent article in the Am. Rifleman. Look at the pictures:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/9/4/the-grouseland-rifle-a-longrifle-by-john-small/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 9:04:19 PM EDT
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Pedersoli is a good starter, Lymans are excellent. you can pick up a used T/C on gunbroker too.
a .50 PRB with 60 gr of FFg will shoot clean thru a whitetail at 60 yards from chest to ham. make sure you are getting an appropriate twist. if you are really serious about spending some money I would maybe start here Tennesse Valley my next BP rifle will be an Early Virginia. |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 1:17:05 PM EDT
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Pedersoli is a good starter, Lymans are excellent. you can pick up a used T/C on gunbroker too. a .50 PRB with 60 gr of FFg will shoot clean thru a whitetail at 60 yards from chest to ham. make sure you are getting an appropriate twist. if you are really serious about spending some money I would maybe start here Tennesse Valley my next BP rifle will be an Early Virginia. Good advice. I have a gently used T/C White Mountain Carbine, and it has been an excellent shooter. IMHO, I'd start with a percussion rifle like one of the ones listed above by OKnativeson. You can find a fair number of gently used rifles like these for sale frequently. While plenty of the rifles aren't period accurate to any particular time period, and some have more modern click adjustable iron sights, you will certainly have a much different shooting experience with one than with a modern firearm. If you find you like it, then you can start to decide what sort of period accurate rifle you want. You can spend as much money on a period accurate muzzleloader as you can on a high end centerfire rifle. |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 3:53:25 PM EDT
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While plenty of the rifles aren't period accurate to any particular time period, and some have more modern click adjustable iron sights, you will certainly have a much different shooting experience with one than with a modern firearm. If you find you like it, then you can start to decide what sort of period accurate rifle you want. You can spend as much money on a period accurate muzzleloader as you can on a high end centerfire rifle. I think I'm going to have to settle on some compromises like you suggest. |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 11:21:18 PM EDT
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I think I'm going to have to settle on some compromises like you suggest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While plenty of the rifles aren't period accurate to any particular time period, and some have more modern click adjustable iron sights, you will certainly have a much different shooting experience with one than with a modern firearm. If you find you like it, then you can start to decide what sort of period accurate rifle you want. You can spend as much money on a period accurate muzzleloader as you can on a high end centerfire rifle. I think I'm going to have to settle on some compromises like you suggest. start out with the semi modern caplocks like I listed. go thru the learning curve and decide what direction you want to go. I own over a dozen BP rifles and always planning on the next one. unlike what you will read on the web and on the hunting shows, a PRB in front of 60+ gr of BP is a wicked beast and should be respected and with the right twist, far more accurate than most shooters. there is a lot of technique, skill and info about your gun and load that you will learn over time. BTW I am partial to the flatter butt rifles. I do not like the sharp curved butts on a rifle.thats one reason I hunt and shoot my T/C Renegade more often than all the others. |
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Posted: 11/1/2016 9:35:53 AM EDT
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concur with OKnativeson re: the earlier flintlocks with the flatter butts. The Federal Period (Constitution was signed) saw the rise of shooting off the arm instead of the shoulder, hence those horrible crescent shaped buttplates. Give me something from 1755-1781 instead.
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Posted: 11/1/2016 1:21:21 PM EDT
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start out with the semi modern caplocks like I listed. go thru the learning curve and decide what direction you want to go. I own over a dozen BP rifles and always planning on the next one. unlike what you will read on the web and on the hunting shows, a PRB in front of 60+ gr of BP is a wicked beast and should be respected and with the right twist, far more accurate than most shooters. there is a lot of technique, skill and info about your gun and load that you will learn over time. BTW I am partial to the flatter butt rifles. I do not like the sharp curved butts on a rifle.thats one reason I hunt and shoot my T/C Renegade more often than all the others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While plenty of the rifles aren't period accurate to any particular time period, and some have more modern click adjustable iron sights, you will certainly have a much different shooting experience with one than with a modern firearm. If you find you like it, then you can start to decide what sort of period accurate rifle you want. You can spend as much money on a period accurate muzzleloader as you can on a high end centerfire rifle. I think I'm going to have to settle on some compromises like you suggest. start out with the semi modern caplocks like I listed. go thru the learning curve and decide what direction you want to go. I own over a dozen BP rifles and always planning on the next one. unlike what you will read on the web and on the hunting shows, a PRB in front of 60+ gr of BP is a wicked beast and should be respected and with the right twist, far more accurate than most shooters. there is a lot of technique, skill and info about your gun and load that you will learn over time. BTW I am partial to the flatter butt rifles. I do not like the sharp curved butts on a rifle.thats one reason I hunt and shoot my T/C Renegade more often than all the others. There is truth here. I shoot 80 gr 777 from my T/C White Mountain Carbine, which is overkill. Someday I'll find an accurate charge that's much less powder, because in that little of a rifle it kicks like a mule. However, those 80 gr will kill deer with authority. There are folks on the internet who think any load less than 100 gr won't do the job, and they are dead wrong. |
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Posted: 11/1/2016 3:08:25 PM EDT
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concur with OKnativeson re: the earlier flintlocks with the flatter butts. The Federal Period (Constitution was signed) saw the rise of shooting off the arm instead of the shoulder, hence those horrible crescent shaped buttplates. Give me something from 1755-1781 instead. all day, every day. |
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Posted: 11/1/2016 3:31:32 PM EDT
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the gold standard was 10 gr of BP per 10 yards of shooting. but I've shot 60gr and a PRB at 80 yards and it went clean thru a whitetail.
I've never trailed a whitetail more than 40 yards after the hit and I've never lost a BP deer in 30+ years of hunting with muzzleloaders. hitting one is certainly not like hitting one with a 7 Mag, but more like with archery. deadly, but there is a learning curve. |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 12:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pedersoli makes some nice long rifles. Not too expensive. If you're just gonna punch paper get a .45cal. More economical to shoot, less recoil. 
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Posted: 11/2/2016 12:58:01 PM EDT
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Pedersoli makes some nice long rifles. Not too expensive. If you're just gonna punch paper get a .45cal. More economical to shoot, less recoil. Did he talk you into a particularly expensive rifle or something? Anyway... I checked out the Pedersoli Kentucky Percussion Rifle on Cabela's and it seems to be what I'm looking for. Any word on quality from Traditions Firearms? They look like a lower tier company just from pricing to me. |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 1:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he talk you into a particularly expensive rifle or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pedersoli makes some nice long rifles. Not too expensive. If you're just gonna punch paper get a .45cal. More economical to shoot, less recoil. Did he talk you into a particularly expensive rifle or something?  My entry drug    Coincidentally, OP. You definitely super really totally don't want to click on this link |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 11:10:10 PM EDT
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Pedersoli makes some nice long rifles. Not too expensive. If you're just gonna punch paper get a .45cal. More economical to shoot, less recoil. Did he talk you into a particularly expensive rifle or something? https://static.wixstatic.com/media/694e91_92226db957a6455595864b9568b78aa3.jpg/v1/fill/w_1478,h_234,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/694e91_92226db957a6455595864b9568b78aa3.jpg My entry drug http://i.imgur.com/zYfxzDJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HWfTlAM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CZ6Hujc.jpg Coincidentally, OP. You definitely super really totally don't want to click on this link http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com I like your style... |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 11:12:50 PM EDT
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Coincidentally, OP. You definitely super really totally don't want to click on this link http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com Too late. |
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Posted: 11/3/2016 1:31:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2016 9:56:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too late. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Coincidentally, OP. You definitely super really totally don't want to click on this link http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com Too late.  |
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Posted: 11/3/2016 8:15:04 PM EDT
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I'd load my ROA with blanks and blast it on New Year and the 4th of July. At night it was a great fireball of fun.
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Posted: 11/4/2016 2:26:46 PM EDT
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Here's a link to a couple that are worth the money!
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/pp-classifieds/showcat.php/cat/9 |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 8:08:31 PM EDT
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I would have thought that these things would have been consistently sub $1,000 but, I was wrong.
I like the Pedersoli Kentucky Percussion Rifle. I'll have to wait a bit on the purchase but, no big deal. If I enjoy shooting it, I may consider some of the others. Can anyone talk me out of it? |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 11:14:40 PM EDT
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I would have thought that these things would have been consistently sub $1,000 but, I was wrong. I like the Pedersoli Kentucky Percussion Rifle. I'll have to wait a bit on the purchase but, no big deal. If I enjoy shooting it, I may consider some of the others. Can anyone talk me out of it? Nobody on Arfcom will talk you out of buying a decent gun.....they will just talk you into buying more expansive one. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 11:35:00 PM EDT
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Nobody on Arfcom will talk you out of buying a decent gun.....they will just talk you into buying more expansive one. You're right. |
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Posted: 11/5/2016 1:57:16 AM EDT
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Nobody on Arfcom will talk you out of buying a decent gun.....they will just talk you into buying more expansive one. You're right. and its not ethically wrong either. |
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Posted: 11/6/2016 11:22:56 PM EDT
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I prefer the Hawken style rifle, particularly because it's easy to come by in .54 caliber and .54 caliber is king with a round ball in a 1-66 twist barrel or with a traditional minie ball in a faster 1-48 twist barrel.
Of course, I found that a 2 band rifled musket like the 2 band Enfield or the Remington Zouave shooting a 525 gr .58 caliber minie ball with 60 to 80 grains of black powder was superb as a hunting rifle, which excellent accuracy and very solid knock down power. I'm also very partial to paper cartridge black powder rifles. The 1859 Sharps Infantry Rifle and the 1873 commercial rifles are great fun to shoot and the block is designed to cut the end off the cartridge and expose the powder. It also incorporates a plate and a floating chamber sleeve that seals the breech when the rifle is fired. 
The .54 caliber cartridges are not hard to make with some linen based paper and some potassium permanganate to make flash paper, and a sheet metal pattern for the paper. You can fit 20 of them in a standard civil war cartridge box. 
----- In other words, be real careful, as one black powder rifle will lead to others in various configurations and before you know it you've got black powder rifles all over the place. |
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Posted: 11/7/2016 8:10:43 AM EDT
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Pedersoli is a good starter, Lymans are excellent. you can pick up a used T/C on gunbroker too. a .50 PRB with 60 gr of FFg will shoot clean thru a whitetail at 60 yards from chest to ham. make sure you are getting an appropriate twist. if you are really serious about spending some money I would maybe start here Tennesse Valley my next BP rifle will be an Early Virginia. I have an Early Va flintlock from TVM, and it is outstanding. Great choice! |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 9:20:53 AM EDT
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I prefer the Hawken style rifle, particularly because it's easy to come by in .54 caliber and .54 caliber is king with a round ball in a 1-66 twist barrel or with a traditional minie ball in a faster 1-48 twist barrel. Of course, I found that a 2 band rifled musket like the 2 band Enfield or the Remington Zouave shooting a 525 gr .58 caliber minie ball with 60 to 80 grains of black powder was superb as a hunting rifle, which excellent accuracy and very solid knock down power. I'm also very partial to paper cartridge black powder rifles. The 1859 Sharps Infantry Rifle and the 1873 commercial rifles are great fun to shoot and the block is designed to cut the end off the cartridge and expose the powder. It also incorporates a plate and a floating chamber sleeve that seals the breech when the rifle is fired. http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/26c33e5e.jpg The .54 caliber cartridges are not hard to make with some linen based paper and some potassium permanganate to make flash paper, and a sheet metal pattern for the paper. You can fit 20 of them in a standard civil war cartridge box. http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/def0c36f.jpg http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/b92f03a7.jpg ----- In other words, be real careful, as one black powder rifle will lead to others in various configurations and before you know it you've got black powder rifles all over the place. Looks like a lot of fun!! |
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