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Posted: 3/3/2016 2:22:53 AM EDT
Hello, all.
I am VERY new to black powder. but in another thread i was told to come here and read so im starting one here. my cherry popper is a pietta 1858 remington with a spare cylinder.  i currently have: 454 hornady balls, pyrodex fffg powder (i know its not real black powder, by i haven't found the real thing locally... yet, i will fix that in the future) num 10 caps wonder wads bore butter cylinder loading stand. i have completely disassembled the gun and cleaned the packing/shipping oil/grease, and re-lubed it with Hoppes 9. Again, from what i have read, not the best, but its the only non lpx based oil i have at the moment (until now everything i own has been modern save a couple of heirlooms). I have some pro shot pro gold grease I use on my sigs, but don't know if its kosher with BP. i have tools, will be getting more "dedicated" ones in the future. So, give it to me straight. what am i missing, and what do you recommend? thanks in advance |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 2:53:28 PM EDT
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Hello, all. I am VERY new to black powder. but in another thread i was told to come here and read so im starting one here. my cherry popper is a pietta 1858 remington with a spare cylinder. http://i.imgur.com/npcGQkx.jpg i currently have: 454 hornady balls, pyrodex fffg powder (i know its not real black powder, by i haven't found the real thing locally... yet, i will fix that in the future) num 10 caps wonder wads bore butter cylinder loading stand. i have completely disassembled the gun and cleaned the packing/shipping oil/grease, and re-lubed it with Hoppes 9. Again, from what i have read, not the best, but its the only non lpx based oil i have at the moment (until now everything i own has been modern save a couple of heirlooms). I have some pro shot pro gold grease I use on my sigs, but don't know if its kosher with BP. i have tools, will be getting more "dedicated" ones in the future. So, give it to me straight. what am i missing, and what do you recommend? thanks in advance Get a correct sized nipple wrench. Powder measure. Brass powder dispensing flask. DO NOT load the gun directly from the powder can/jug. Lube is easy. Make your own for cheap. REAL beeswax and olive oil. 50/50 ratio. Adjust as needed to your locations ambient temps. Hot weather = more wax. Cold weather = less wax. I've found that loading the cylinder on the gun is slow and tedious. I prefer to use a loading stand with a ram. http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ItemID=1302742a-9e12-41e5-881f-f99340c6d9e6 This is a really nice one but its spendy. Midway sells a cheesy version. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/167631/traditions-black-powder-reloading-stand-revolver-44-caliber These will greatly increase your reloading speed. |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 3:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a correct sized nipple wrench. Powder measure. Brass powder dispensing flask. DO NOT load the gun directly from the powder can/jug. Lube is easy. Make your own for cheap. REAL beeswax and olive oil. 50/50 ratio. Adjust as needed to your locations ambient temps. Hot weather = more wax. Cold weather = less wax. I've found that loading the cylinder on the gun is slow and tedious. I prefer to use a loading stand with a ram. http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ItemID=1302742a-9e12-41e5-881f-f99340c6d9e6 This is a really nice one but its spendy. Midway sells a cheesy version. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/167631/traditions-black-powder-reloading-stand-revolver-44-caliber These will greatly increase your reloading speed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hello, all. I am VERY new to black powder. but in another thread i was told to come here and read so im starting one here. my cherry popper is a pietta 1858 remington with a spare cylinder. http://i.imgur.com/npcGQkx.jpg i currently have: 454 hornady balls, pyrodex fffg powder (i know its not real black powder, by i haven't found the real thing locally... yet, i will fix that in the future) num 10 caps wonder wads bore butter cylinder loading stand. i have completely disassembled the gun and cleaned the packing/shipping oil/grease, and re-lubed it with Hoppes 9. Again, from what i have read, not the best, but its the only non lpx based oil i have at the moment (until now everything i own has been modern save a couple of heirlooms). I have some pro shot pro gold grease I use on my sigs, but don't know if its kosher with BP. i have tools, will be getting more "dedicated" ones in the future. So, give it to me straight. what am i missing, and what do you recommend? thanks in advance Get a correct sized nipple wrench. Powder measure. Brass powder dispensing flask. DO NOT load the gun directly from the powder can/jug. Lube is easy. Make your own for cheap. REAL beeswax and olive oil. 50/50 ratio. Adjust as needed to your locations ambient temps. Hot weather = more wax. Cold weather = less wax. I've found that loading the cylinder on the gun is slow and tedious. I prefer to use a loading stand with a ram. http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ItemID=1302742a-9e12-41e5-881f-f99340c6d9e6 This is a really nice one but its spendy. Midway sells a cheesy version. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/167631/traditions-black-powder-reloading-stand-revolver-44-caliber These will greatly increase your reloading speed. |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 5:20:41 PM EDT
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Yes, absolutely get a set of gunsmith screwdrivers for working on these guns. Brownell's magna-tip is Tier 1.
Yes, the screws are made of soft steel and WILL be wrecked using incorrect screwdrivers. You can purchase new sets of screws both regular and hardened. Olive oil is NOT a good choice as a lubricant and/or rust preventative. You want to use non-petroleum based natural ingredients for bullet, wad, or patch lubes only. Olive oil, mutton tallow, veggie oils, beeswax, etc. Petroleum based products exposed to the high temps of firing leave residue that is difficult to remove. Natural ingredients will, over time, season the steel just like a cast iron frying pan. You want this as its acts as a non-stick surface. The natural oils are very poor lubricants/preservatives. Use regular gun oil or grease on the internals and exterior after cleaning. Wipe it out of bore and chambers before firing again. Veggie oils will gel if left on the metal and gum up the works. Bad juju. Use a anti-seize grease on the nipple threads. Regular old choke tube grease works great. VTI gun parts is a great place to get replacement parts for these guns. |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 6:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, absolutely get a set of gunsmith screwdrivers for working on these guns. Brownell's magna-tip is Tier 1. Yes, the screws are made of soft steel and WILL be wrecked using incorrect screwdrivers. You can purchase new sets of screws both regular and hardened. Olive oil is NOT a good choice as a lubricant and/or rust preventative. You want to use non-petroleum based natural ingredients for bullet, wad, or patch lubes only. Olive oil, mutton tallow, veggie oils, beeswax, etc. Petroleum based products exposed to the high temps of firing leave residue that is difficult to remove. Natural ingredients will, over time, season the steel just like a cast iron frying pan. You want this as its acts as a non-stick surface. The natural oils are very poor lubricants/preservatives. Use regular gun oil or grease on the internals and exterior after cleaning. Wipe it out of bore and chambers before firing again. Veggie oils will gel if left on the metal and gum up the works. Bad juju. Use a anti-seize grease on the nipple threads. Regular old choke tube grease works great. VTI gun parts is a great place to get replacement parts for these guns. When I reassembled it after the post shipping clean, I used hoppes gun oil. I have som "pro-shot pro-gold" gun grease I use in my sigs. I'm not sure what's in it though. Is that ok as well? |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 7:09:01 PM EDT
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Yes, any modern gun oil or grease is good to go on the internal parts. You just don't want to use them in the chamber/bore during firing.
On a cap&ball you can either use a lubed wad between the powder and ball(my preferred method) or slather the grease over the chamber mouth after ramming the ball. The slather method makes a fugh hucking mess blasting lube everywhere, in your hair, all over the bench, your clothes, etc. Lubed wads = way mo betta. You'll also want to use the same BP lube on the arbor pin during firing. It is normal to have to remove the cylinder and wipe off the arbor pin after firing every couple of cylinders anyway. Since I load the cylinder off the gun this is easy-peasy. Once you've cleaned the gun after shooting, wipe the gun down with any quality gun oil for rust protection. Be sure to oil the bore and chambers as well. On the next firing just wipe the bore and chambers out before loading. Pop caps on each nipple to insure they're clear of oil. |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 7:22:23 PM EDT
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I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!!
Dang things breed like rabbits. 
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Posted: 3/3/2016 7:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!! http://i68.tinypic.com/fbxi0m.jpg Dang things breed like rabbits.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2016 7:36:31 PM EDT
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Lol. I know. I'm already crying over my financial situation. General Beauregard's Lamat just popped up at James Julia auction house http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2198-391/
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I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!! http://i68.tinypic.com/fbxi0m.jpg Dang things breed like rabbits. http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2198-391/
Oooof! That is gonna sell for eleventymillions dollars! I'd take it out and shoot it.
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Posted: 3/3/2016 7:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oooof! That is gonna sell for eleventymillions dollars! I'd take it out and shoot it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!! http://i68.tinypic.com/fbxi0m.jpg Dang things breed like rabbits. http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2198-391/Oooof! That is gonna sell for eleventymillions dollars! I'd take it out and shoot it. 
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Posted: 3/4/2016 8:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!! http://i68.tinypic.com/fbxi0m.jpg Dang things breed like rabbits. |
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Posted: 3/4/2016 8:59:52 PM EDT
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those snubbies, did you make them from full barrel guns or did you buy them Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'mma gonna warn ya young'un these things are worse than Black Rifle Disease! MUWHAHAHA!!!!! http://i68.tinypic.com/fbxi0m.jpg Dang things breed like rabbits. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1972136266/pietta-1860-army-snub-nose-steel-frame-black-powder-revolver-with-checkered-thunderer-grips-3-barrel-blue 
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:27:46 PM EDT
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sounds liek
HellifIknow has got you on the good track. Get real black powder ASAP. Only way to do it.. and believe it or not its better than pydroex IMO. Grad carries it.. best to get by the bulk (5+ilbs) so you can absorb the flat rate hazard fee. HellifIknow is also correct.. they are addicting as hell.. 
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Posted: 3/5/2016 11:31:54 PM EDT
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first shots fired. im so hooked:
 not my best shooting, but i was two busy making smoke to care about accuracy:  did Hellifiknows seasoning treatment he gave me. ill check bass pro for goex fff. i have one near me. ill still use up the pyrodex cause, well, i paid for it. but ill be switching to real bp as soon as i find some in my AO |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 12:09:53 AM EDT
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first shots fired. im so hooked: http://i.imgur.com/lHjkcRI.jpg not my best shooting, but i was two busy making smoke to care about accuracy: http://i.imgur.com/dNmY1VO.jpg did Hellifiknows seasoning treatment he gave me. ill check bass pro for goex fff. i have one near me. ill still use up the pyrodex cause, well, i paid for it. but ill be switching to real bp as soon as i find some in my AO very cool. Yea no worries - use it up. If you find a local source for the real stuff.. go for it. Nothing like it. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 10:24:44 AM EDT
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Dude......you are DOOMED!
MuWhaHahaha!!!!!!!! Now go get another revolver exactly like the one you have and go two-fisted gunfighter style. 
You're a daisy if ya do.
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Posted: 3/6/2016 10:44:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude......you are DOOMED! MuWhaHahaha!!!!!!!! Now go get another revolver exactly like the one you have and go two-fisted gunfighter style. You're a daisy if ya do.
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Posted: 3/6/2016 12:18:24 PM EDT
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open tops can be a PITA. Spent caps falling into the action grind my gears
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Posted: 3/6/2016 1:46:38 PM EDT
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open tops can be a PITA. Spent caps falling into the action grind my gears Ive been finding that out 
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Posted: 3/6/2016 2:15:01 PM EDT
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TRESO nipples and Remington #10 caps.
Avoid the CCI and Winchester brand caps. Bad juju. Or iff'n you wants to spend monies have a cap post installed. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 2:30:26 PM EDT
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TRESO nipples and Remington #10 caps. Avoid the CCI and Winchester brand caps. Bad juju. Or iff'n you wants to spend monies have a cap post installed. all i use is remington .. along with slix-shot nipples http://www.cowboygunparts.com/cap-&-ball-nipples.html still have issues. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 3:50:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TRESO nipples and Remington #10 caps. Avoid the CCI and Winchester brand caps. Bad juju. Or iff'n you wants to spend monies have a cap post installed. yesterday i had no FTF's only a half way jammed cap that popped out on re-cock. i was surprised at how much the caps get purely obliterated. i guess i should have expected it, but still took me by surpise |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 4:48:47 PM EDT
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that's something i had not heard that yet. only remi caps. got it. yesterday i had no FTF's only a half way jammed cap that popped out on re-cock. i was surprised at how much the caps get purely obliterated. i guess i should have expected it, but still took me by surpise Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TRESO nipples and Remington #10 caps. Avoid the CCI and Winchester brand caps. Bad juju. Or iff'n you wants to spend monies have a cap post installed. yesterday i had no FTF's only a half way jammed cap that popped out on re-cock. i was surprised at how much the caps get purely obliterated. i guess i should have expected it, but still took me by surpise luckily for you - you picked a great revolver for a BP beginner. Not to much can go wrong with a Remington 1857 replica. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 9:00:59 PM EDT
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More shooting tonight:
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Posted: 3/6/2016 9:49:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2016 1:19:26 PM EDT
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Okay, so add me to the list of percussion virgins... I'm not a stranger to BP as I have a Martini, but the whole cap/ball thing will be an experience.
Midway had Uberti 1858 Remingtons on sale... so I bought one. Looking forward to shooting it this summer. |
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Posted: 3/8/2016 1:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, so add me to the list of percussion virgins... I'm not a stranger to BP as I have a Martini, but the whole cap/ball thing will be an experience. Midway had Uberti 1858 Remingtons on sale... so I bought one. Looking forward to shooting it this summer. Welcome to the party!! Get a spare unerring cylinder and a loading press Cabellas has the press for 25 bucks, but doesn't sell uberti stuff. |
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Posted: 3/8/2016 2:06:41 PM EDT
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Welcome to the party!! Get a spare unerring cylinder and a loading press Cabellas has the press for 25 bucks, but doesn't sell uberti stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Okay, so add me to the list of percussion virgins... I'm not a stranger to BP as I have a Martini, but the whole cap/ball thing will be an experience. Midway had Uberti 1858 Remingtons on sale... so I bought one. Looking forward to shooting it this summer. Get a spare unerring cylinder and a loading press Cabellas has the press for 25 bucks, but doesn't sell uberti stuff. Cabelas has some Uberti stuff but not much. I think they carry more in the fall. |
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Posted: 3/9/2016 12:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cabelas has some Uberti stuff but not much. I think they carry more in the fall. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay, so add me to the list of percussion virgins... I'm not a stranger to BP as I have a Martini, but the whole cap/ball thing will be an experience. Midway had Uberti 1858 Remingtons on sale... so I bought one. Looking forward to shooting it this summer. Get a spare unerring cylinder and a loading press Cabellas has the press for 25 bucks, but doesn't sell uberti stuff. Cabelas has some Uberti stuff but not much. I think they carry more in the fall. |
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Posted: 3/9/2016 11:34:33 PM EDT
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Took my armsport 1858 to the range today. First time it's been shot since about 1990
It generally worked ok - it does seem to be fairly accurate. I had 2 issues, one is it does not advance the cylinder without help. I tore it completely down when I got home and there are some burrs on the spur. I stoned it just enough to remove burrs, but the head of the spur is a bit rounded off. I don't know if I can get a Pietta or Uberti spur and fix it, or if I would have to try to build one from scratch. The second issue was when I put it back together the sear and bolt spring snapped in half. I ordered a replacement from Brownells, They had a Uberti spring in stock. I read somewhere on another forum that some of the Uberti parts fit the armscorp revolvers, but the pietta parts don't seem to. It was fun to shoot it again. I ran about 4 cylinders through it. Surprisingly (at least to me) accurate. Might look into lubed patches if i'm going to shoot it much. I tried coating the end of the bullet / end of the cylinders with a wad of bore butter - worked , but slow and messy. It was cold and I managed to blow out the back end of the tube of bore butter. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:15:31 PM EDT
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Just dropping back in to photo dump:
Went shooting today at houstons American Shooting Center much fun, many lols, and lots of surprised neighbors when I started shooting : Finally got to do some actual accuracy testing, the results made me very happy 10yrds, one hand/unsupported, poi was 1in high, which is perfect as far as I'm conserned:   |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 10:26:46 PM EDT
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Just to rub it in I got this Lil' Fren a few days ago.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 10:11:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryShe purdy! 
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Posted: 4/24/2016 5:59:12 PM EDT
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Went shooting today at houstons American Shooting Center much fun, many lols, and lots of surprised neighbors when I started shooting : There's usually somebody out there with a smokepole; it's a good place to shoot BP since there is rarely a fire risk die to the pervasive damp. They do draw attention, though. I was planning on taking my Parker-Hale 3-band Enfield out this morning but wrenched my shoulder yesterday. Plus, I suspect the damp may be a few feet deep after all these rains recently. |
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Posted: 4/24/2016 6:28:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's usually somebody out there with a smokepole; it's a good place to shoot BP since there is rarely a fire risk die to the pervasive damp. They do draw attention, though. I was planning on taking my Parker-Hale 3-band Enfield out this morning but wrenched my shoulder yesterday. Plus, I suspect the damp may be a few feet deep after all these rains recently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Went shooting today at houstons American Shooting Center much fun, many lols, and lots of surprised neighbors when I started shooting : There's usually somebody out there with a smokepole; it's a good place to shoot BP since there is rarely a fire risk die to the pervasive damp. They do draw attention, though. I was planning on taking my Parker-Hale 3-band Enfield out this morning but wrenched my shoulder yesterday. Plus, I suspect the damp may be a few feet deep after all these rains recently. but I've found that the handgun side hardly see's a handgun billowing smoke and fire. Initiating them was fun |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 7:17:26 PM EDT
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These things are like rabbits
Pick this little girl up used today:  |
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