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Posted: 2/8/2016 4:06:22 AM EDT

Since pretty much everything else I shoot is starting to seem the same I'm looking very closely at black powder. I'm putting together a list of things I need, and have settled on either the Uberti 1860 Army or the Uberti 1858 Remington. Just looking for some input on which would be more enjoyable and least likely to cause headaches getting started.

Posted: 2/8/2016 4:45:26 AM EDT

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Overall (IMO) the Remington is a better design; if I could only have one I'd go New Army.

Posted: 2/8/2016 6:19:39 AM EDT

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Remington . As stated above , a better overall design .

Posted: 2/8/2016 10:16:58 AM EDT

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Any noticeable differences in quality or reliability between the Uberti and the Pietta? Worth springing a bit more for a Cimarron?

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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:52:27 PM EDT

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The 1858 can safely carry six, and is more durable.
The 1851/1860's are a faster first shot, at least in my hands. Pros and cons to everything.

Posted: 2/9/2016 6:18:30 PM EDT

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The 1858 can safely carry six, and is more durable.
The 1851/1860's are a faster first shot, at least in my hands. Pros and cons to everything.

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1860s can be carried with 6 also. They also typically deal with fouling better.

Posted: 2/9/2016 11:18:22 PM EDT

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I got a couple of the Pieta Remingtons for Christmas. They are a hoot.

Posted: 2/10/2016 12:03:15 AM EDT

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Can you tell which one I'd recommend??

Posted: 2/10/2016 12:53:22 AM EDT

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How do the Walkers point? They are damn sexy, but pretty sure I don't want to start there.

Posted: 2/10/2016 7:35:32 AM EDT

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nice

Posted: 2/10/2016 2:43:30 PM EDT

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I am kinda partial to the 1858's myself. I got three made by Pietta. I got the two 5-1/2" models when Cabela's was selling them dirt cheap a couple of years ago and I picked up the 8" NIB from a member on another board for the same price that Cabela's was asking (IIRC they were going for somewhere around $169 or $179?).

I have a conversion cylinder that allows me to shoot .45 Colt ammo out of them:

I also have a 3d Model Dragoon (Uberti) that I bought off a neighbor. It also came with a conversion cylinder for .45 Colt:

Posted: 2/11/2016 7:05:50 PM EDT

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Remmy

Posted: 2/11/2016 9:37:46 PM EDT

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Go with the 1858 Remington...

This one's an Uberti. They are far less obtrusive with their markings, than the Piettas.

Posted: 2/12/2016 8:59:02 AM EDT

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Go with the 1858 Remington...

This one's an Uberti. They are far less obtrusive with their markings, than the Piettas.

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Why?

Thats a nice box. Where did you find it?

Posted: 2/12/2016 9:50:17 AM EDT

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Thats a nice box. Where did you find it?

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Red - Well, first off, the frame design is far stronger than the 1860, with little-to-no chance of the barrel end loosening & going off alignment (relative to the cylinder) like with the 1860. Secondly, with the 1858 Remington, you gain the ability to perform exceptionally fast cylinder changes without having to separate half the weapon first. Also, as mentioned by others, this quick change ability can also be used with a conversion cylinder to fire various types of conventional ammunition conversions, and while the 1860 can also use conversion cylinders, the weaker frame design limits the range of ammunition types (cylinder sizes/types) available for conversion use (or rather those recommended for use).

Blue - (The wood box?) Honestly, I really don't remember the exact store I purchased it from, though it was found through an Amazon search & was purchased for @ $50 shipped.

Hope this helps you.
FlDiveCop71

Posted: 2/12/2016 2:21:05 PM EDT

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Red - Well, first off, the frame design is far stronger than the 1860, with little-to-no chance of the barrel end loosening & going off alignment (relative to the cylinder) like with the 1860. Secondly, with the 1858 Remington, you gain the ability to perform exceptionally fast cylinder changes without having to separate half the weapon first. Also, as mentioned by others, this quick change ability can also be used with a conversion cylinder to fire various types of conventional ammunition conversions, and while the 1860 can also use conversion cylinders, the weaker frame design limits the range of ammunition types (cylinder sizes/types) available for conversion use (or rather those recommended for use).

Blue - (The wood box?) Honestly, I really don't remember the exact store I purchased it from, though it was found through an Amazon search & was purchased for @ $50 shipped.

Hope this helps you.
FlDiveCop71

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Thats a nice box. Where did you find it?

Red - Well, first off, the frame design is far stronger than the 1860, with little-to-no chance of the barrel end loosening & going off alignment (relative to the cylinder) like with the 1860. Secondly, with the 1858 Remington, you gain the ability to perform exceptionally fast cylinder changes without having to separate half the weapon first. Also, as mentioned by others, this quick change ability can also be used with a conversion cylinder to fire various types of conventional ammunition conversions, and while the 1860 can also use conversion cylinders, the weaker frame design limits the range of ammunition types (cylinder sizes/types) available for conversion use (or rather those recommended for use).

Blue - (The wood box?) Honestly, I really don't remember the exact store I purchased it from, though it was found through an Amazon search & was purchased for @ $50 shipped.

Hope this helps you.
FlDiveCop71

If you're buying a cap and ball revolver for the sole reason of doing a cartridge conversion than I would agree 100%. Or planning to load from spare cylinders than maybe. Id rather just use a more modern revolver if speed was a concern, like a saa clone or blackhawk etc.

I would argue that an open top revolver is more than strong enough for its designed purpose and like I said they handle bp fouling better. At leastin the ones ive shot in the past.

The biggest advantage to the colts imo are they're looks and handling. So all the pros and cons are moot so go with what you like aestheticly and handling wise. If you like how they look equally then go with handling.

Quite honestly, I like remingtons too and will probably own one eventually.

Posted: 2/12/2016 4:52:36 PM EDT

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For a first one -

1858 remington.. why - don't have to worry about spent caps falling into the action.. which is a PITA for open tops.

Posted: 2/12/2016 5:51:02 PM EDT

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With black powder, stainless steel is your friend, much more so than with smokeless powder. I would suggest a stainless steel Remmy, with adjustable sights, unless you plan on using it as a re-enactor, or in sanctioned cowboy shoots.

With some practice, and some judicious chamfering of a couple of surfaces, the easy and quick cylinder change-over is nothing to be sneezed-at. If you get a Remmy, MAKE SURE to buy spare cylinders made by the same, identical mfr as the pistol. I'd even go so far as to buy them from the same vendor, but that's not essential.

Posted: 2/12/2016 9:16:48 PM EDT

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I have both pistols and from both mfg. I personally feel the Uberti's are better quality.

Colts have an inherent weakness with expended cap fragments jamming the works. Which ever model you decide, get quality replacement nipples. I have SlixShots in my 51 London and have no issues.

Remmys, as stated are much quicker for cylinder swaps.

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Posted: 2/13/2016 2:12:08 AM EDT

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The 1858 Remington it shall be. I will say the Colt has nicer lines, but the reliability part wins the day for me. Not in a hurry, but going smell like black powder smoke by this summer.

Posted: 2/13/2016 12:43:19 PM EDT

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Good, choice, but I bet you end up with both ;)

Posted: 2/13/2016 2:37:43 PM EDT

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Good, choice, but I bet you end up with both ;)

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The 1858 Remington it shall be. I will say the Colt has nicer lines, but the reliability part wins the day for me. Not in a hurry, but going smell like black powder smoke by this summer.

Good, choice, but I bet you end up with both ;)

lol - Of course he'll end up with both... I mean, as inexpensive as these are - why not get both...eventually.

Posted: 2/13/2016 5:33:24 PM EDT

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lol - Of course he'll end up with both... I mean, as inexpensive as these are - why not get both...eventually.

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The 1858 Remington it shall be. I will say the Colt has nicer lines, but the reliability part wins the day for me. Not in a hurry, but going smell like black powder smoke by this summer.

Good, choice, but I bet you end up with both ;)

lol - Of course he'll end up with both... I mean, as inexpensive as these are - why not get both...eventually.

The lgs is having a sale next week. It has a used 58 for $200 that will be marked down to $120

Posted: 2/17/2016 1:45:19 PM EDT

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How do the Walkers point? They are damn sexy, but pretty sure I don't want to start there.

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How do the Walkers point? They are damn sexy, but pretty sure I don't want to start there.

They weigh over 4#! If I were to start out with a Horse Pistol, I would go with the 3rd Model Dragoon. (I need to add this one to the family) But they all point and shoot great, they're Colts Pistols!!

I started with a pair of brass frame '51's. Love shooting my '60's and '51's.

Posted: 2/17/2016 1:46:49 PM EDT

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Can you tell which one I'd recommend??

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Thanks! I'm trying to build a Chronological Collection of Colts Revolvers! Need a few more still!!!

Posted: 2/17/2016 9:42:22 PM EDT

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I like the Remington better. The lockwork is virtually the same (function wise) but the solid frame Remington is stronger.

I'm a sinner. My favorite is still the Ruger Old Army.

Posted: 2/21/2016 11:01:47 AM EDT

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Many shooters look at the top strap on the 1858 Rem and think it is more robust that the open top Colt's. What they do not see is the Colt's massive arbor that gives it similar strength as the top strap Remington. I think for a new BP shooter the 1858 Rem is a better revolver to start with,

Posted: 3/1/2016 7:07:41 PM EDT

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Has anybody fired conicals or maxi-balls from either these pistols? Is there any real benefit to doing so?

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