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Posted: 10/22/2011 4:58:44 PM

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I was wondering, which is easier to get into black powder with. A rifle or a cap and ball revolver? Kinda want a rifle, but it seems like I can get two nice Uberti's for the price of a decent rifle. Originally wanted a flintlock but found the price for a decent rifle to be a bit cost prohibitive, and it seems like there is a comparatively higher learning curve with a flint. That and I feel like I can find .44 swaged balls easier than i can find a 58 Minnie and for a lot less. Then again it seems like a rifle with one barrel and one "chamber" would be much easier to deal with. Any input would be much appreciated.
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Posted: 10/22/2011 5:55:58 PM
Get a .50 caliber caplock rifle. A TC Hawken or Lyman GPR would be a solid choice.

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Posted: 10/22/2011 10:27:32 PM
starting to consider getting a Uberti SAA, and just loading black powder. Already have a press and stuff, plus it allows me to shoot smokeless when the need arises.
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Posted: 10/24/2011 12:49:14 PM
Smokeless reloading equipment can be dangerous if used with black powder. You might need to purchase some bp accessories. Good luck with your choice! I second the vote for the .50 caplock as a great learning tool and a load of fun to boot. tg11H
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Posted: 11/18/2011 7:42:45 AM
I bought a Traditions cap lock 50 cal. in the EE here for $100 a few months ago, it arrived in excellent condition and intending to resell it elsewhere and make a few bucks.
IT was too tempting as it had all the gear and some bullets that came with it and I decided to buy the powder and caps and shoot it a bit before selling it...




I Has now started on a new addiction, Black Powder shooting.
Back to basics, iron sights, one shot one kill forced slow fire target practice IT"S Great...

I had a remington 1858 .44 Italian made kit gun banging around the house for several years picked up at a garage sale for $10 it was in need of repair,
It is now getting new internals to fix it's issues, had worn hand and cylinder stop arm, awaiting delivery; tomorrow I think???.

and I was also forced to pickup an 1860 Italian "Colt" Confederate army .44 for $110 on Gun Broker. TOO CHeap to say no to.....the Remington and Colt
now have a brace of holsters, ball pouches, cap pouches, ball seaters, a wad cutter, capper, and other accoutramonts needed for going out to my range and going bang for a couple
of hours.

there's several rifles Gunbroker that are selling for under $200 shipped and no FFL needed..one has both 50cal barrel and shotgun barrel for one money..
As mentioned in this forum, and being a New shooter, and a LEARNING Shooter, start with a rifle and move to pistols from there, pistols are a bit more difficult and require a bit more practice in loading and handling..
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Posted: 11/19/2011 1:04:44 PM
If you want a rifle then go rifle. The TC Hawken, Lyman are gtg. There is a lot of stuff on the used market. I shoot C&B revolver ten to one over my front stuffing rifles. Just depends on what you want. Black powder can be very additive.

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Posted: 4/15/2012 10:39:36 PM
still looking, but starting to lean toward the TC firestorm. Seems like the best of two worlds. It's a flintlock, like I really want, and it has a removable breech plug so cleaning should be easier. Anyone actually use one?
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Posted: 4/17/2012 1:45:56 PM
Caplock rifle is the easiest to learn to use. No cylinder or reloading stuff associated with cylinders. You also shoot a lot slower, learn more about the gun and yourself and save money too. There's no shortage of fun with a smokepole and the Holy Black.
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:48:46 AM
I would pass on the Firestorm, myself, and I'll tell you why:

First of all, a removable breech plug is unnecessary, they don't make cleaning easier, they're just one more area that needs to be cleaned, and cleaned obsessively, to avoid corrosion. There is a certain amount of black magic involved in keeping a breech plug in working order, it often involves grease or teflon tape, and the only benefit I can think of is that it makes it easier to pull a charge when you inevitably dry-ball, ie. load a ball without powder under it. Cleaning a gun (or removing a dry-ball) without a breech plug isn't rocket science, I use the vinegar windex on patches and get mine clean with minimal effort. Others advocate hot water dunking, which works too, but I have found it to be overly complicated to achieve the same results I get with windex.

Secondly, a flintlock is a hard way to learn muzzleloading. Unless you've got someone to mentor you in person, on the firing line, it's going to be frustrating to learn. Flinters can be fitful, and their is a lot of hoo-doo magic and witch doctoring involved in getting it to work just right. It's very rewarding to become proficient with a flinter, to be sure, but I am glad I learned on a caplock before I progressed to flinters.

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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:28:46 AM
Originally Posted By troutbum86:
First of all, a removable breech plug is unnecessary, they don't make cleaning easier, they're just one more area that needs to be cleaned, and cleaned obsessively, to avoid corrosion.


I totally agree with this.
My Hawken is the easiest rifle to clean that I own.
I pull the nipple and the base of the bbl goes in a bucket of hot soapy water.

My inline with the removable breech plug is the worst rifle I own for cleaning I have to spend forever patching that bitch, and then, as you mentioned, obsessively cleaning the breach plug, greasing it and re-installing it.

If you want to get into black powder one of the less expensive hawkens is the way to go. You can beat on them, make your mistakes and it costs you next to nothing.
Well, it did. I just looked at Cabela's web site. I remember when CVA's were less than a hundred bucks. T/Cs were a bit more. I bought a Cabela's Sporterized Hawken about 6 years ago. I thought I paid around 200 dollars for it. Looking at their site, their asking 6 now. WTF, 600 for a starter Hawken? The .54 is 200 bucks cheaper. What happened to pricing on these things?