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Posted: 4/10/2017 10:22:20 AM EDT

Does anyone know what the current approval time is for a C&R license? Mine expired four years ago and I am going to reapply.

Posted: 4/13/2017 8:49:37 PM EDT

[#1]

I'm assuming it will be between three to seven weeks. No one here has applied or reapplied recently?

Posted: 4/14/2017 7:19:23 PM EDT

[#2]

Isn't it a simple form you fill out and mail to the ATF?

I recall not doing it because of a log book. Do you have to record all C&R guns even if they were bought face to face? And can you at least destroy the log book after your C&R license elapses?

Posted: 4/14/2017 10:56:39 PM EDT

[#3]

Last time around the word was that you could trash the book if the license expired, but if the license was surrendered then you had to turn the book in with it.

Keeping a book ok is no big deal, all you have to do is log in the gun when you buy it and out when you sell it (if you have a license when you sell it).

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:34:12 PM EDT

[#4]

did mine in Jan and it took 4 weeks

Posted: 5/1/2017 10:12:37 AM EDT

[#5]

I mailed mine in on April 10th and forgot to send it certified. They still haven't charged my CC yet.

Posted: 5/1/2017 10:15:22 AM EDT

[#6]

Mailed mine April 7th, regular mail. Charged on April 14th. Still pending.

Posted: 5/1/2017 10:54:28 AM EDT

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I guess mine got lost in the mail. I called the ATF and they have no record of it. My local post office is very anti-gun and I would not be surprised if they trashed it when they saw it in the outgoing mailbox.

Posted: 5/1/2017 1:16:05 PM EDT

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Isn't it a simple form you fill out and mail to the ATF?

I recall not doing it because of a log book. Do you have to record all C&R guns even if they were bought face to face? And can you at least destroy the log book after your C&R license elapses?

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Isn't it a simple form you fill out and mail to the ATF?

I recall not doing it because of a log book. Do you have to record all C&R guns even if they were bought face to face? And can you at least destroy the log book after your C&R license elapses?

From page 54 of ATF's C&R List

Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector’s license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?

No. The GCA requires the delivery of required records to the Government within 30 days after a firearm “business” is discontinued. A license as a collector of Curios or Relics does not authorize any business with respect to firearms. This is in contrast to firearm importers, manufacturers, and dealers who are licensed to engage in a firearms business. Therefore, the records required to be kept by licensed collectors under the law and regulations are not business records and are not required to be turned in to ATF when collectors’ licenses are not renewed or collecting activity under such licenses is discontinued.

[18 U.S.C. 923(g)(4), 27 CFR 478.127]

From 27 CFR 478.129:

(e) Records of dealers and collectors under the Act. The records prepared by licensed dealers and licensed collectors under the Act of the sale or other disposition of firearms and the corresponding record of receipt of such firearms shall be retained through December 15, 1988, after which records of transactions over 20 years of age may be discarded.

So if you've been a C&R or dealer for 20+ years, any transactions (receipts or dispositions) that took place more than 20 years ago no longer have to be recorded in your bound book. If you let your C&R expire, you have to keep records of transactions for 20 years, then you can get rid of them.

Posted: 5/1/2017 1:18:16 PM EDT

[#9]

On the approval time, I mailed mine on April 13, check was cashed April 18. Haven't received the renewal yet.

Posted: 5/1/2017 1:46:24 PM EDT

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From 27 CFR 478.129:

So if you've been a C&R or dealer for 20+ years, any transactions (receipts or dispositions) that took place more than 20 years ago no longer have to be recorded in your bound book. If you let your C&R expire, you have to keep records of transactions for 20 years, then you can get rid of them.

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That isn't how it reads. 1988 was the cutoff for retention of records.

Posted: 5/2/2017 1:39:28 PM EDT

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That isn't how it reads. 1988 was the cutoff for retention of records.

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From 27 CFR 478.129:

So if you've been a C&R or dealer for 20+ years, any transactions (receipts or dispositions) that took place more than 20 years ago no longer have to be recorded in your bound book. If you let your C&R expire, you have to keep records of transactions for 20 years, then you can get rid of them.

That isn't how it reads. 1988 was the cutoff for retention of records.

There may have been a slight miswording in my interpretation.

As the language reads:

The records prepared by licensed dealers and licensed collectors under the Act of the sale or other disposition of firearms and the corresponding record of receipt of such firearms shall be retained through December 15, 1988, after which records of transactions over 20 years of age may be discarded.

Amended interpretation: all records of the sale or other disposition of firearms (and corresponding receipts) must be held through December 15, 1988. After December 15, 1988, all records of sales or other dispositions that are over 20 years old may be discarded. Since today's date is currently after December 15, 1988, all records of sales or dispositions (and corresponding receipts) that are more than 20 years older than today's date may be discarded. Given that today is May 2, 2017, if I were to surrender my license today I would still have to retain any records of sale or dispositions (or corresponding receipts) that occurred before May 2, 1997, until such time as the record of the sale or disposition (or corresponding receipt) is more than 20 years old. It's a rolling window. Once a record (i.e. the bound book entry for a particular firearm) is more than 20 years old it can just get cut out of the bound book.

Posted: 5/6/2017 6:03:28 PM EDT

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Mailed mine April 7th, regular mail. Charged on April 14th. Still pending.

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Received May 6th.

Posted: 5/31/2017 12:07:46 AM EDT

[#13]

Darn... mine was charged 5/1 and still nothing.
Is there a number to call and check on the status?

Posted: 5/31/2017 2:51:22 PM EDT

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Darn... mine was charged 5/1 and still nothing.
Is there a number to call and check on the status?

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I resubmitted mine on May 1, 2017 and it went pending on 5/12/17. They told me they have 60 days to approve or deny the applications.

Posted: 6/20/2017 3:39:40 PM EDT

[#15]

I mailed my app on 5/23 and had my C&R in the mail on 6/17. Just about 3.5 weeks including mailing time.

Rob

Posted: 6/20/2017 3:52:36 PM EDT

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I mailed my app on 5/23 and had my C&R in the mail on 6/17. Just about 3.5 weeks including mailing time.

Rob

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Must be nice! I still haven't received mine yet. Its a good thing there isn't a lot of really cool stuff out there at the moment.

Posted: 6/21/2017 1:55:12 AM EDT

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I resubmitted mine on May 1, 2017 and it went pending on 5/12/17. They told me they have 60 days to approve or deny the applications.

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Well I'm starting to get worried... 60 days is approaching really quickly for me. Still nothing!

Posted: 6/23/2017 5:48:55 PM EDT

[#18]

Whew!!!!
Been checking every day for weeks.

5/1/2017 Cashed
6/23/2017 C&R License Received

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:35:53 PM EDT

[#19]

CC charged 6/26. License arrived 7/31

Posted: 8/3/2017 12:00:46 PM EDT

[#20]

My card was charged on 7/17
License arrived on 8/3

Not bad at all!!

Posted: 8/3/2017 5:38:06 PM EDT

[#21]

I finally got my license a few weeks ago but forgot to update.

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