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Posted: 1/30/2017 4:28:35 PM EDT
These pictures are of my friend's cz-27. I have read up on these a bit and think this particular example is post war, but I'm wondering if anyone here can identify when and where it was made.
The finish looks like polished stainless, but could be nickle. The wooden grip looks original. The markings on the top of the stippled slide are: CESKA ZBROJOVKA ASvBRAZE and then the serial number. The only marking that is hard to see is of a "Scottish lion" which is located on the frame, top of the slide and barrel. The numbers/letter along the front strap is not the serial number and unfortunately the magazine does not numbers match. Any information would be greatly appreciated. 
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Posted: 1/30/2017 5:00:02 PM EDT
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Doing a bit more reading and come to find out that is not a CZ-27 (as indicated on the slide), but rather a CZ-24 that was made in 1927.
Now to find some place that has a listing of the front strap designations ... which I understand to be military coding. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 5:08:14 PM EDT
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that was definitely nickle plated by someone at some point
also not a scottish lion - its a czech lion which I believe was used as a proof mark the pistol was made in Czechoslovakia sometime between 1924-1927 |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 5:25:40 PM EDT
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It's a CZ-24 in .380 ACP. Accepted by the Czech army in 1928 and assigned to the 4th Infantry Regiment as article #1581 based in Hradec Karlove which is in north central Czech. No doubt captured and used by German after 1938, then chromed by somebody here.
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Posted: 1/30/2017 5:29:21 PM EDT
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Thank you fury413rb.
I also understand that the CZ-27 takes .32acp and the CZ-24 takes .380acp. This might explain why the pistol would fire, but not extract .32acp. (I am unfamiliar with both calibers). |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 5:31:00 PM EDT
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Wow pgaplayerless!!
I'm a slow typer so imagine my surprise when I refreshed the page to see your post! Thank you very much! |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 1:00:38 PM EDT
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Wow pgaplayerless!! I'm a slow typer so imagine my surprise when I refreshed the page to see your post! Thank you very much! No problem |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 1:22:38 PM EDT
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No doubt captured and used by German after 1938, Bit generous of an assertion, lacking a Waffenamt. |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 7:08:35 PM EDT
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Bit generous of an assertion, lacking a Waffenamt. unless reworked by depot with something replaced, it wouldn't be marked. By 1939 all of Czech was under Nazi Germany control and all their used weapons were rolled into German units. |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 7:45:29 PM EDT
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unless reworked by depot with something replaced, it wouldn't be marked. By 1939 all of Czech was under Nazi Germany control and all their used weapons were rolled into German units. I'll concur with this, weapons captured and re-used, unless going through a depot, would not be specially marked typically.... You can be sure the Germans used whatever captured pistols they picked up....and a CZ-24 likely got issued to German forces somewhere down the line....or at least "liberated" and used... |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 11:30:49 PM EDT
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I'll concur with this, weapons captured and re-used, unless going through a depot, would not be specially marked typically.... You can be sure the Germans used whatever captured pistols they picked up....and a CZ-24 likely got issued to German forces somewhere down the line....or at least "liberated" and used... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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unless reworked by depot with something replaced, it wouldn't be marked. By 1939 all of Czech was under Nazi Germany control and all their used weapons were rolled into German units. I'll concur with this, weapons captured and re-used, unless going through a depot, would not be specially marked typically.... You can be sure the Germans used whatever captured pistols they picked up....and a CZ-24 likely got issued to German forces somewhere down the line....or at least "liberated" and used... Not a lot of .380 floating about in the German supply chain, for what that's worth. But regardless, while I don't question the likelihood of German acquisition for a firearm of that vintage and geography, "no doubt" is a bit overly definitive for me. YMMV. *shrug* |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 1:35:56 PM EDT
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Not a lot of .380 floating about in the German supply chain, for what that's worth. But regardless, while I don't question the likelihood of German acquisition for a firearm of that vintage and geography, "no doubt" is a bit overly definitive for me. YMMV. *shrug* When Germans "liberated" these pistols they also "liberated" the entire Czechoslovak military supply chain. There was plenty of ammo to go around. Not to mention the Czech plants to produce it. Czechs gave in without fighting after France and UK broke their military assurances to CSR. Literally everything that was in the Czech military inventory, like this pistol demostrates, became German property overnight. Pistols especially were in very short supply and high demand with the Germans. Plenty of CZ24s are found in battlefield digs of the eastern front. |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 6:00:55 PM EDT
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When Germans "liberated" these pistols they also "liberated" the entire Czechoslovak military supply chain. There was plenty of ammo to go around. Not to mention the Czech plants to produce it. Czechs gave in without fighting after France and UK broke their military assurances to CSR. Literally everything that was in the Czech military inventory, like this pistol demostrates, became German property overnight. Pistols especially were in very short supply and high demand with the Germans. Plenty of CZ24s are found in battlefield digs of the eastern front. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a lot of .380 floating about in the German supply chain, for what that's worth. But regardless, while I don't question the likelihood of German acquisition for a firearm of that vintage and geography, "no doubt" is a bit overly definitive for me. YMMV. *shrug* When Germans "liberated" these pistols they also "liberated" the entire Czechoslovak military supply chain. There was plenty of ammo to go around. Not to mention the Czech plants to produce it. Czechs gave in without fighting after France and UK broke their military assurances to CSR. Literally everything that was in the Czech military inventory, like this pistol demostrates, became German property overnight. Pistols especially were in very short supply and high demand with the Germans. Plenty of CZ24s are found in battlefield digs of the eastern front. You're missing my point. While it's entirely likely (even probable) that this pistol was, at some point, property of the German military, this pistol does nothing to "demonstrate" that fact, lacking any way to verify that it was German property at some point. Likely =/= certain. My only point. |
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