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Posted: 9/19/2016 5:51:33 PM EDT
Pretty rare relic of the Cold War. Only 2000 produced with less than 600 imported into the US in the 1980s.
Produced for East Germany's Ministry for State Security (aka Stasi) anti-"terror" units. Given that Stasi was federal spy agency and secret police pretty much run by the KGB, the definition of "anti-terror" was likely very broad! 
Neat feature of this sniper rifle is it's hammer forged barrel produced by Steyr which gives it a neat spiral appearance. This one is in excellent condition, likely never fielded and fully matching. The original scope box came with the gun which now hold the rather hard to get Zeiss ZF6/s 6x power scope which is an upgrade to the stock ZF4/s 4x power scope. Trigger is a target set that's fully adjustable. 
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Posted: 9/19/2016 6:10:04 PM EDT
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That is very cool!
Will an unfired round fit out of the ejection port? |
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Posted: 9/19/2016 6:56:57 PM EDT
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Awesome
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Posted: 9/19/2016 6:59:30 PM EDT
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wow that is one hell of a neat Rifle
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:01:24 PM EDT
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I'll take it!
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:04:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Very Cool. I would love to see how well it shoots.
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:10:46 PM EDT
[#6]
Very interesting scope mount...
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:15:07 PM EDT
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I'm jelly.
I was just eyeballing this one over the weekend, but I couldn't stomach the price. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?cPath=350_351_353&products_id=43578 |
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:25:54 PM EDT
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That is very cool! Will an unfired round fit out of the ejection port? Yes, not always gracefully but yes. |
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:44:56 PM EDT
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I think that is way over priced. i'll guess the market will deiced that.
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Posted: 9/19/2016 9:51:05 PM EDT
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Very Cool. I would love to see how well it shoots. I know a guy who has owned several, he said they were all pieces of shit, didnt shoot worth a crap... YMMV...aside for the coolness factor, apparently kind of worthless...but you shouldnt expect much more from cold war era East German equipment.... |
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Posted: 9/19/2016 9:58:45 PM EDT
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Were they issued with special ammo, or standard infantry ammo?
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Posted: 9/19/2016 10:07:39 PM EDT
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I know a guy who has owned several, he said they were all pieces of shit, didnt shoot worth a crap... YMMV...aside for the coolness factor, apparently kind of worthless...but you shouldnt expect much more from cold war era East German equipment.... Dont blame the gun for your buddy's inability to shoot. 100 yards, Factory 3 Russian military Ball *not my shooting* 
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Posted: 9/19/2016 10:48:46 PM EDT
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Dont blame the gun for your buddy's inability to shoot. 100 yards, Factory 3 Russian military Ball *not my shooting* http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109208/24047991/396050990.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know a guy who has owned several, he said they were all pieces of shit, didnt shoot worth a crap... YMMV...aside for the coolness factor, apparently kind of worthless...but you shouldnt expect much more from cold war era East German equipment.... Dont blame the gun for your buddy's inability to shoot. 100 yards, Factory 3 Russian military Ball *not my shooting* http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109208/24047991/396050990.jpg I am just telling what I am told, and my buddy shoots pretty good...in any case shooting at 100 yards isn't exactly "sniping"... |
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Posted: 9/19/2016 11:22:11 PM EDT
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Had one. Happily sold it for a profit.
Scope sucks. Triggers fragile. Not that accurate. Cases start sticking after 8-10 rds , Lubing the case necks or using poly/nickel cased ammo helps. Pushing it runs risk of breaking weak extractor. Mags drop out under almost non existent recoil, crappy mag design and retention system. Other than that a neat piece of history. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 12:10:35 AM EDT
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IIRC there was a time when they were dirt cheap and ammo was non existant. Early 90s , maybe late 80s? CDNN comes to mind, maybe SOG , had them advertised.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:11:44 AM EDT
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IIRC there was a time when they were dirt cheap and ammo was non existant. Early 90s , maybe late 80s? CDNN comes to mind, maybe SOG , had them advertised. Yup when they were first imported, they came with some RWS ammo but that was it for ammo availability. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:20:20 AM EDT
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I am just telling what I am told, and my buddy shoots pretty good...in any case shooting at 100 yards isn't exactly "sniping"... Yes sadly the internet is full of hearsay or what people heard from somebody that know somebody so it's better to just post pictures of groups. The SSG82 was designed as short range tactical sniper, thus why it's 5.45x39 caliber. They would pick a different caliber if it meant to go long range really. Regardless, that group looks MOA or sub-MOA. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 3:08:26 PM EDT
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Yup when they were first imported, they came with some RWS ammo but that was it for ammo availability. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC there was a time when they were dirt cheap and ammo was non existant. Early 90s , maybe late 80s? CDNN comes to mind, maybe SOG , had them advertised. Yup when they were first imported, they came with some RWS ammo but that was it for ammo availability. Indeed - and with RWS or match 5.45, they were known to be quite accurate. If you feed a match-built M-14 or Remington 700 with .308 Wolf ammo, you probably won't get great accuracy out of it either. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 3:22:19 PM EDT
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cool rifle...
- AG |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 3:29:48 PM EDT
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I remember reading a review in American Rifleman back in the 80s and the author reporting similarly mediocre accuracy.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 4:34:58 PM EDT
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Pretty cool.
I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. 
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Posted: 9/20/2016 6:05:03 PM EDT
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Pretty cool. I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally...  
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:17:13 PM EDT
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Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty cool. I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally... The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:25:34 PM EDT
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The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty cool. I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally... The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. Yeah, those mags...what were they thinking? All things being equal, I'd take a Lewis...
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:47:17 PM EDT
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Yeah, those mags...what were they thinking? All things being equal, I'd take a Lewis... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty cool. I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally... The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. Yeah, those mags...what were they thinking? All things being equal, I'd take a Lewis... I'd take a Madsen |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 10:09:55 AM EDT
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The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty cool. I could have a chauchaut, and people would poo poo it because it's not a great mg. Hey I said it was cool, just my understanding it's hardly a accurate rifle... And I think a Chauchaut would be very cool, even though by all accounts it's a world class POS... In fact, I know where there is one for sale locally... The Mle 1915 CSRG in 8x50R is actually a pretty decent LMG. It's not perfect, but they are pretty reliable; their main failing was the open magazine that let dirt in. The "Gladiator" in .30-'06 was a disaster, and gives the fairly decent "Chauchat" a bad name. Here is a great video on the Chauchat from Ian at "Forgotten Weapons" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bCwP3Dm52Ls We are getting a little off topic. But the video is informative. And everyone should know about Forgotten Weapons. What strikes me about the Chauchat it its increadibly low rate of fire; you could easily match it with almost any semi auto AR15. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 10:17:49 AM EDT
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I remember looking at those rifles in the magazines and advertising flyers, and marvelling at how cheap they were for being "Steyr" and "Carl Zeiss" etc. But of course that was when any 5.45x39 was hen's teeth.
Although there were those who rightly pointed out the rifle might (or might not) be "nice" by comblock standards, it was the East German "Zeiss", and the East German "Steyr" that were either just started up and cut from whole cloth after WWII, or built on whatever scraps, workers, and factories were left in the East after the war. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 1:56:09 PM EDT
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When I worked at TGI, we had one. It was a decent shooter with Wolf 5.45. Usually 1.5" at 100m. Sometimes a little over. Only had one mag.
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Posted: 9/21/2016 3:57:03 PM EDT
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I remember looking at those rifles in the magazines and advertising flyers, and marvelling at how cheap they were for being "Steyr" and "Carl Zeiss" etc. But of course that was when any 5.45x39 was hen's teeth. Although there were those who rightly pointed out the rifle might (or might not) be "nice" by comblock standards, it was the East German "Zeiss", and the East German "Steyr" that were either just started up and cut from whole cloth after WWII, or built on whatever scraps, workers, and factories were left in the East after the war. I remember the ads as well , They were cheap and ammo was rare . Now you have ammo options . |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 8:32:41 PM EDT
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I had one, Sold it to a freind that had to have it!
It shot fine - I had a few hundred rounds of RWS ammo and it shot that the best. Sad to say, a Savage 223 with an accu trigger would out shoot it - but its definitely cool and interesting. I liked it a lot for what it was - not because it was a true sniper grade rifle in the modern context - more as a curio of interesting fabrication. Basically a police target-ish rifle . It probably did its role just fine - Shooting Berlin wall runners in the back at 100-200 yards. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 3:05:07 PM EDT
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One came up for sale in this country a while ago. It's the only example I've seen here.
Can't really buy 5.45, plus reloading that calibre is a nuisance with its expensive dies and requirement for many components to be created rather than bought off the shelf. I was ready for another reloading project, but the price on the rifle itself was too great combined with the cost of equipping to load for it. |
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