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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:21:08 PM EDT
Picked this up at a gun show today:
It's a Webley Mark IV in ..38/200. I believe it is a WWII production gun, but don't know a lot about them and was wondering if anyone had any info on the markings on the side, specifically the right side: 
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Posted: 11/2/2014 8:43:39 PM EDT
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I don't believe it's a wartime gun. A friend of mine has/had one (it blew up) with the same markings including the "war finish" mark. Be careful to use the correct ammo as my friend shot some unknown "gunshow reloads" through his and blew it up. I have some pics somewhere. It split the cylinder and bowed the top strap up. It also left a live but damaged round in the cylinder next to the exploded chamber.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:03:51 PM EDT
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I don't believe it's a wartime gun. A friend of mine has/had one (it blew up) with the same markings including the "war finish" mark. Be careful to use the correct ammo as my friend shot some unknown "gunshow reloads" through his and blew it up. I have some pics somewhere. It split the cylinder and bowed the top strap up. It also left a live but damaged round in the cylinder next to the exploded chamber. How can you tell if it is a wartime gun? The only info I've been able to find says to look for the rough finish and the "War Finish" marking. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:15:37 PM EDT
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how much did you pay for it?
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:20:05 PM EDT
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Going by serial, I think it will be in the '43-'44 range. Very much wartime. Try a google search, in case my memory fails me.
ETA: I was right. http://www.armsresearch.co.uk/The%20Webley%20and%20Scott%20Achive/Webley%20and%20Scott%20Archive.html |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:31:06 PM EDT
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So, it shoots .38? Not .38 Spl?
Is ammo available? |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:37:16 PM EDT
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How can you tell if it is a wartime gun? The only info I've been able to find says to look for the rough finish and the "War Finish" marking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe it's a wartime gun. A friend of mine has/had one (it blew up) with the same markings including the "war finish" mark. Be careful to use the correct ammo as my friend shot some unknown "gunshow reloads" through his and blew it up. I have some pics somewhere. It split the cylinder and bowed the top strap up. It also left a live but damaged round in the cylinder next to the exploded chamber. How can you tell if it is a wartime gun? The only info I've been able to find says to look for the rough finish and the "War Finish" marking. Thanks for the correction. Last time I'll take a Brits word for anything.  My friend is from Britain and he led me to believe it was some kind of reproduction.
The correct ammo is NOT .38 Special. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:08:12 PM EDT
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So, it shoots .38? Not .38 Spl? Is ammo available? .38/200, .38 S&W Remington, Privi, Maggtech all make new production. Sgammo had Privi by the case for stupid cheap a while back. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:09:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, it shoots .38? Not .38 Spl? Is ammo available? |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:13:10 PM EDT
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how much did you pay for it? $450. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:13:58 PM EDT
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Picked this up at a gun show today: <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0314_zps0f505eda.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0314_zps0f505eda.jpg</a> It's a Webley Mark IV in ..38/200. I believe it is a WWII production gun, but don't know a lot about them and was wondering if anyone had any info on the markings on the side, specifically the right side: <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0320_zps661fb853.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0320_zps661fb853.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0319_zps65270199.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0319_zps65270199.jpg</a> Very nice pistol. Go shoot it and post pics. Love those old British Revolvers. I'm assuming you're getting a No4MkI Enfield to go with it. 
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:17:17 PM EDT
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Very nice pistol. Go shoot it and post pics. Love those old British Revolvers. I'm assuming you're getting a No4MkI Enfield to go with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Picked this up at a gun show today: <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0314_zps0f505eda.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0314_zps0f505eda.jpg</a> It's a Webley Mark IV in ..38/200. I believe it is a WWII production gun, but don't know a lot about them and was wondering if anyone had any info on the markings on the side, specifically the right side: <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0320_zps661fb853.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0320_zps661fb853.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Axel2485/media/DSCN0319_zps65270199.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i474/Axel2485/DSCN0319_zps65270199.jpg</a> Very nice pistol. Go shoot it and post pics. Love those old British Revolvers. I'm assuming you're getting a No4MkI Enfield to go with it. I'll get a No. 4 Mk. 1 eventually, but I've already got a SMLE Mk III, so I'm looking for other rifles at the moment. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:15:16 AM EDT
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You need the other British wartime revolver in the same caliber, the Enfield. No. 2 MK.1. The problem is that the wartime production was the Mk. 1* variant, which is double-action only (with no hammer spur). Not much fun at all. If you can get a prewar unaltered one, that would be the one that you would want.
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Posted: 11/10/2014 8:20:45 PM EDT
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You need the other British wartime revolver in the same caliber, the Enfield. No. 2 MK.1. The problem is that the wartime production was the Mk. 1* variant, which is double-action only (with no hammer spur). Not much fun at all. If you can get a prewar unaltered one, that would be the one that you would want. Don't be a pansy the da isn't bad specially if you have a Nagant revolver  .
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Posted: 11/10/2014 8:32:03 PM EDT
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So between this thread, an aqauntance picking up one similar to the OPs and always have a soft spot for these revolvers I purchased this a few days ago on Gunbroker. Thank you, OP, for making me spend money.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 2:12:12 AM EDT
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.767" is the cartridge case length.
3.5 Tons is the proof load pressure in LONG TONS = 2240 pounds x 3.5 = 7,840 psi proof pressure. Dutch |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:30:14 AM EDT
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which are more collectible, the ones with the hammer spur or the tankers model without?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:59:00 AM EDT
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which are more collectible, the ones with the hammer spur or the tankers model without? Hammer Spur. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:08:59 AM EDT
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:18:18 AM EDT
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:59:27 PM EDT
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I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Easiest route: Swaged 148 gr hollow-base wadcutters for the .38 Spl are soft enough to obturate. Not ideal, but it usually works reasonably well. A little more work: Slug your cylinder throats and order a custom sizer from LEE to size down the .365 bullets for the Makarov. Caveat: Mak bullets run around 100 grains weight, so they probably won't shoot to point of aim without some experimentation. If you want to experiment: Enlarge your favorite .357 mould by "Beagling" - Beagling The best option is to pony up $80 (or more) for one of NOE's excellent moulds - N.O.E. Their moulds for the .38 S&W and .380/200 come in sizes ranging from .363/150 gr to .364/200 gr in 2 - 5 cavity versions, either aluminum or brass. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 9:31:51 PM EDT
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Easiest route: Swaged 148 gr hollow-base wadcutters for the .38 Spl are soft enough to obturate. Not ideal, but it usually works reasonably well. A little more work: Slug your cylinder throats and order a custom sizer from LEE to size down the .365 bullets for the Makarov. Caveat: Mak bullets run around 100 grains weight, so they probably won't shoot to point of aim without some experimentation. If you want to experiment: Enlarge your favorite .357 mould by "Beagling" - Beagling The best option is to pony up $80 (or more) for one of NOE's excellent moulds - N.O.E. Their moulds for the .38 S&W and .380/200 come in sizes ranging from .363/150 gr to .364/200 gr in 2 - 5 cavity versions, either aluminum or brass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Easiest route: Swaged 148 gr hollow-base wadcutters for the .38 Spl are soft enough to obturate. Not ideal, but it usually works reasonably well. A little more work: Slug your cylinder throats and order a custom sizer from LEE to size down the .365 bullets for the Makarov. Caveat: Mak bullets run around 100 grains weight, so they probably won't shoot to point of aim without some experimentation. If you want to experiment: Enlarge your favorite .357 mould by "Beagling" - Beagling The best option is to pony up $80 (or more) for one of NOE's excellent moulds - N.O.E. Their moulds for the .38 S&W and .380/200 come in sizes ranging from .363/150 gr to .364/200 gr in 2 - 5 cavity versions, either aluminum or brass. Thanks for the info. I had a feeling that this would be the gun that finally gets me into casting, and its looking like I was right. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 7:26:21 PM EDT
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This thread inspired me. I know it's not a Webley but I got an Enfield No. 2 hammerless today off an auction site. I paid $325 shipped, all numbers match. From the research I've done over the past few weeks I think I did ok. I'll post pics if that's ok, I don't want to hijack this thread, mods let me know. If not I'll start a new one. Now to get one with the hammer spur, oh the sickness continues!!!!!
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Posted: 11/25/2014 7:47:10 PM EDT
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.38 S&W is expensive Not compared to .455. Just look at it that way. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:20:16 AM EDT
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Not compared to .455. Just look at it that way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.38 S&W is expensive Not compared to .455. Just look at it that way. I just picked up 3 boxes of .455 for $35 a few months back. I need to get a .455 Webley now!
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:55:21 AM EDT
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Great pick up on that ammo!
Any more of it around? My .455 is hungry and I only have a box and a half left. And yes, everyone that appreciates old military arms should have a Mk VI. Here are my British side arms... 
God save the Queen!
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Posted: 11/27/2014 7:24:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hammer Spur. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: which are more collectible, the ones with the hammer spur or the tankers model without? Hammer Spur. It is a webley. This is one of the most common ones. But they are the best shooters.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 7:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. .38 S&W is common ammo though. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 12:26:37 PM EDT
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I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Missouri Bullet Company makes a nice 145gr RN, coated and uncoated. Also, a company called Matt's Bullets makes a selection of proper lead 180gr and 200gr bullets for Webleys. No need to cast if you don't want to. I've shot .358" lead bullets through mine with good accuracy, but make sure you have some chore boy to get all the lead out. 
I've also shot plated .357" bullets with excellent results. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 5:19:47 PM EDT
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Missouri Bullet Company makes a nice 145gr RN, coated and uncoated. Also, a company called Matt's Bullets makes a selection of proper lead 180gr and 200gr bullets for Webleys. No need to cast if you don't want to. I've shot .358" lead bullets through mine with good accuracy, but make sure you have some chore boy to get all the lead out.
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Nice revolver. I have the Enfield DAO version. Don't shoot it much .38 S&W is expensive I plan on reloading for it if I can find bullets for it. Missouri Bullet Company makes a nice 145gr RN, coated and uncoated. Also, a company called Matt's Bullets makes a selection of proper lead 180gr and 200gr bullets for Webleys. No need to cast if you don't want to. I've shot .358" lead bullets through mine with good accuracy, but make sure you have some chore boy to get all the lead out.
I've also shot plated .357" bullets with excellent results. Thanks. I'll still probably get in to casting at some point, but this will let me load .38 S&W until I do. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 3:59:10 AM EDT
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I picked up a Webley Mk IV back in 88' in Munich Germany. Correct ammo was .38 S&W which I bought a Lee Classic Handloader for. Used to tap rounds out of my rucksack when out and about and then go shoot on the Rod & Gun range at Bad Tolz. Load was .358 LSWC in .38 S&W cases with some French BA9/BA10 powder IIRC. Didn't have the best accuracy with that as the bullets were undersized. When it was time to come home submitted my ATF Form 6 for importation and ATF denied it (along with my 1939 P08) as war surplus. So, traded it away for an importable Chinese Makarov. The "Wartime Finish" was Webleys way of letting consumers know that the finish wasn't up to normal Webleys finish and they didn't want their reputation hurt by the rough finish. I always enjoyed that Webley. Have found several Webleys and No2's in Iraq over the years.
Enfield No2 Mk1 in .380/200 British (.38 S&W) made in 1932 Nickled Webley MkIV in .380/200 British Webley MkVI in .455 Webley made in 1923 
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Posted: 11/30/2014 12:26:16 PM EDT
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i picked one up at auction 2-3 years ago. very nice shooter
it even had the correct canvas holster for it. well worth the cost of buying it |
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