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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:05:36 PM EDT
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How often did you shoot that one and how many hundreds of rounds did you put through it? Why did you sell it? I buy rifles to shoot, not collect. I'll never sell my 1943 as it was my first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I refinished a $69 rifle with the finish flaking off of it and you are upset with me. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20141003_162206_zpsxutjtgdh.jpg Just because YOU bought it for cheap doesn't mean it might not be a mislabeled rifle being horribly undersold. Had one with that type of cracked shellac.. i kept it as it was.. and it looked great (sold rifle) Some folks just have to have an excuse to justify a refinish of a rifle.. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8185833632_48979f5bb2_b.jpg https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8483/8185793357_6cd5f79a95_b.jpg https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8350/8185793175_c859117a2f_b.jpg How often did you shoot that one and how many hundreds of rounds did you put through it? Why did you sell it? I buy rifles to shoot, not collect. I'll never sell my 1943 as it was my first. It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:17:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:20:07 PM EDT
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How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Thats all fine and good.. but i requested that this thread be free of bubba. If one wants to show off their refinish work - their is a section for that; and i can tell you its not the c&r section. Refinishing C&R rifles, altering/removing their original finishes , d&t etc - IE any permanent alterations to a piece is considered bubba. It is what it is. Restoration/ conservation is an entirely different topic. As for buying rifles to shoot and not to collect - you are telling me that you can't do both? |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:52:32 PM EDT
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How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins. 
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 4:27:25 PM EDT
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To clarify..
I don't give two shakes what this man does or doesn't do to his rifle. In the end it's his property and he can do with it as he likes. But, in saying that: 1. I am not going to promote it 2. I am not going to hi-five one who does it 3. I am going to disagree and protest it when its in a thread dedicated to unaltered examples or posted in a section with the same dedication. 4. I am going to say what i think of it and why i believe its wrong / not necessary / etc in the nicest most courteous manner. Restoration/ conservation is an entirely different topic. You want to see flacking shellac? 
oh it shoots just as fine as a pretty finished refurb. 
They said the same about 98ks, enfields, etc .. now look at how much an unmolested example goes for compared to one that was molested. Do you know how many m91 stocks ive seen near ruined because someone had too much free time on their hands when they were cheap? Its sad really. In the end.. there was nothing wrong with your stock. All that is just my humble .02 cents. You can agree to disagree. Quoted:
Getting back to the OP's request, today's gun show find, 1939 finn'd Izhevsk. Finnish 2 piece stock, with sling hangers. SA marked, Bolt and receiver match, floor plate and magazine is from a pre-'28 tula rifle. Butt plate is scrubbed tula, and has a faint serial stamped on the rear instead of the top. http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h400/aksahsalahs/saMOSIN2_zpse3319b1e.png http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h400/aksahsalahs/saMOSIN_zps9bbba4b5.png I appreciate that; i wish others here would give me the same courtesy. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 7:38:17 PM EDT
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I wont buy Bubba molested rifles, I like the used and been there look.
I saw a m91/38 for sale the other day. In a plastic stock and front sight cut off. Totally ruined and worthless except for a few parts. This old and worn rifle looks better than any refinished Mosin and is likely worth more also. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:09:01 PM EDT
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I wont buy Bubba molested rifles, I like the used and been there look. I saw a m91/38 for sale the other day. In a plastic stock and front sight cut off. Totally ruined and worthless except for a few parts. This old and worn rifle looks better than any refinished Mosin and is likely worth more also. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/lees99f150/SCW%20cleaned%20up/cleanedupscw001_zps5ce97f51.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/lees99f150/SCW%20cleaned%20up/cleanedupscw004_zpsa25834df.jpg Beautiful SCW. Love it. Here is a non IMport Tula w/ a SCW tula.. both 1937 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:40:45 PM EDT
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Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins.
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20141007_140030_zpsbgqkumig.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20141007_140030_zpsbgqkumig.jpg That's making history. Just like how the 60's era Garand rebuilds are becoming collectible in their own right. Once it leaves military hands is when the timeline for adding "history" stops, and the timeline for "preservation" starts. False. Look at what section you're in. Hint - it's not the refinishing forum. 
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:07:28 AM EDT
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How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:41:51 AM EDT
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How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! HINT HINT Just sayin... If you find that you're getting grief for something in a particular subforum it's likely your in the wrong subforum. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:58:49 AM EDT
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HINT HINT Just sayin... If you find that you're getting grief for something in a particular subforum it's likely your in the wrong subforum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! HINT HINT Just sayin... If you find that you're getting grief for something in a particular subforum it's likely your in the wrong subforum. Exactly. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 7:44:25 AM EDT
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Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins.
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins.
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. I just picked up horribly bubba'ed non-import 1919 Tula Mosin for mere $100. I'm sure Bubba got hold of it when it was a $40 rifle. Bought it only because it has a nice barrel roll marking still intact. If bubba left that one alone it could have been $1000 rifle instead of $100. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:29:02 AM EDT
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Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins.
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20141007_140030_zpsbgqkumig.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. Just snobbery. Just think about all the history those Russians destroyed rearsenalling all those Mosins.
Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20141007_140030_zpsbgqkumig.jpg You may not know it but you refinished a WW II era stock. Look at where the dog collars go throw, no metal... |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:10:24 PM EDT
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I like them all
Top to bottom: 1939 Tula laminate stock 1943 Tula 1938 Izzy Molot 1942 Izzy 1934 Hex Izzy 1927 Hex ex-dragoon 1929 Tula Hex 1954 T53 1954 Romanian M44 1945 Izzy M44 1943 Izzy M38 1932 Tula Nagant Revolver |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 7:10:40 PM EDT
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1932 Tula... Hex receiver, all numbers match except the bayonet.
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Posted: 10/11/2014 7:36:12 PM EDT
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1932 Tula... Hex receiver, all numbers match except the bayonet. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/skidman/media/Russian1_zps705df3bf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/Russian1_zps705df3bf.jpg</a> Nice clean honest example. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 7:36:28 PM EDT
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I like them all http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx144/dsmturbo444/null_zps435589e2.jpg Top to bottom: 1939 Tula laminate stock 1943 Tula 1938 Izzy Molot 1942 Izzy 1934 Hex Izzy 1927 Hex ex-dragoon 1929 Tula Hex 1954 T53 1954 Romanian M44 1945 Izzy M44 1943 Izzy M38 1932 Tula Nagant Revolver Quote HistoryQuoted:
I like them all http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx144/dsmturbo444/null_zps435589e2.jpg Top to bottom: 1939 Tula laminate stock 1943 Tula 1938 Izzy Molot 1942 Izzy 1934 Hex Izzy 1927 Hex ex-dragoon 1929 Tula Hex 1954 T53 1954 Romanian M44 1945 Izzy M44 1943 Izzy M38 1932 Tula Nagant Revolver Nice! Quoted:
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Personalizing something thats mine cannot be a mistake. Just a choice you vociferously oppose. No bubba here. It came out beautiful. I just picked up horribly bubba'ed non-import 1919 Tula Mosin for mere $100. I'm sure Bubba got hold of it when it was a $40 rifle. Bought it only because it has a nice barrel roll marking still intact. If bubba left that one alone it could have been $1000 rifle instead of $100. shit.. why did bubba have to fu&k with a 1919... |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 7:12:18 AM EDT
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shit.. why did bubba have to fu&k with a 1919... Over the last month, I've come across a bubba'd Dragoon and either another bubba Dragoon or M91. Honestly, I don't feel much better about the prospect of it being the more common M91.... 
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Posted: 10/12/2014 11:03:02 AM EDT
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I worked at TGI when we were bringing in 91/30's 10-15,000 at a time. Some were absolutely gorgeous. Some not. I picked up a really nice 5 line 1926 Tula for employee pricing.
Won't say what that was. 
We were bringing in 5.5 million rounds with each shipment. Set back a few cases. Wished I would have bought 2 or 3 more rifles. Never got around to it. |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 12:56:57 PM EDT
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My first 91/30 is a basic refurb/force match 1931 Tula in a post war stock. But the bore is basically new. It's my favorite 91/30, peeling shellac and all
. I'll have to snap new pics when I can. It's on top.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 8:13:44 PM EDT
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How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It would shoot the exact same with a shellac finish, maybe even better actually. You're just trying to come up with half thought out excuses to justify your past mistakes and continued ignorance. How is refinishing HIS OWN RIFLE a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their Mosins, then buy them up already. How is spray painting YOUR OWN CAR a mistake? If you want to control what everyone does w/ their cars, then buy them up already. Yay! Non sequiturs for everyone! If we ever say something that backbecher doesn't like or happen to disagree with something anyone does ever then that obviously means we want to control the world and all human action in it like some sort of omnipotent fascist dictator! This TOTALLY makes sense! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BUBBA BACKBENCHER BE PRAISED! Just saying....I wish I'd never see any 'bubba' examples in this forum. I'm new to collecting, and my only 'bubba' rifle is my 1938 91/30 that I cleaned with an AR type cleaner when I first joined this forum. I was really down on myself about that, yes she's pretty now cause I tried to make up for it by sanding her lightly but smooth as a young girls ass. She's nice, but If I could turn back time I'd not have used the wrong cleaner that stripped her finish, as ugly as she was it was history. Preserving that history is what I want to do, if I can clean them up without harming their 'history' or value then yes I want to do that, but clean only in the respect of no further deterioration will occur, wood is hydrated and healthy, etc. I shoot all mine by the way. So people like me are here for info on what we have, what we want and how to protect. My only interest in anything 'bubba'd is if it's not so bad and I can bring back a gem that would have otherwise been lost. Nuff said take the bubbas to the bubba forum. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:34:28 PM EDT
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Here's my new fav. 91/30, a 1941 Izhevsk that was captured by the Finnish Army in the Continuation War and put into service, then re-captured by Soviet forces sometime prior to 1945. Commonly called a "recapture".
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:02:57 PM EDT
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Here's my new fav. 91/30, a 1941 Izhevsk that was captured by the Finnish Army in the Continuation War and put into service, then re-captured by Soviet forces sometime prior to 1945. Commonly called a "recapture". <a href="http://s478.photobucket.com/user/brcampbe/media/IMG_2486_zpsc36bf49b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/brcampbe/IMG_2486_zpsc36bf49b.jpg</a> <a href="http://s478.photobucket.com/user/brcampbe/media/IMG_2487_zps90515ee0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/brcampbe/IMG_2487_zps90515ee0.jpg</a> <a href="http://s478.photobucket.com/user/brcampbe/media/IMG_2488_zpsd0a3c7cc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/brcampbe/IMG_2488_zpsd0a3c7cc.jpg</a> <a href="http://s478.photobucket.com/user/brcampbe/media/IMG_2489_zps9c43c548.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/brcampbe/IMG_2489_zps9c43c548.jpg</a> About time you stopped buying those silly factory '43s and got a real rare mosin My current fave is probably the factory original matched, non-import marked transitional 1933 Tula M91/30 in minty condition that flew well under the radar of all the vultures 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:17:54 PM EDT
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My '39 dated Tula Finn Capture 91/30
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:57:17 PM EDT
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hey Spaxs,
What ya do to piss of Vic and join my rank lol? :) randomly noticed it |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:01:47 AM EDT
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It's not a 91/30, but it's the closest I've got, my only one, and therefore my favorite one
'44 SAKO on a Remington receiver. Great bore and muzzle, amazing trigger. Had to do some repair in the neck of the stock, but no big deal. The stock is an original war-time as well. 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:01:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:29:42 PM EDT
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I got an email today and saw some very familiar timber
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:56:00 PM EDT
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i'll join in.... i don't shoot these as often as i would like.
top to bottom: 1915-ish New England Westinghouse, SA marked 1926 Tula ex-dragoon 1943 Izzy (has since been sold) 
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Posted: 11/6/2014 8:48:58 AM EDT
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I'm going to be a sneaky bastard here, too. It's this.
In my defense, the tang is marked 1935r with an Ishevsk arrow-in-triangle. This was an M91/30 originally! |
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