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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Picked up a Finnish M39 Mosin with a Remington receiver

Posted: 9/23/2014 2:32:20 PM EDT

I'm pretty new to Mosins, but thought this was neat. It's a Finnish M39 dated 1944. It has the circle R stamp, indicating a Remington receiver, which means it was made sometime between 1915 and 1918 or so.
Neat looking rifle, perfect bore, original war-time stock. Needs a few things, including a stock repair at the infamous M39 crack area, but no biggy.
Here are a few pics:

Posted: 9/23/2014 4:33:49 PM EDT

[#1]

Nice looking rifle! I hoping to add a M39 to my collection here before to long.

Posted: 9/23/2014 4:57:00 PM EDT

[#2]

Nice.

Posted: 9/23/2014 5:18:04 PM EDT

[#3]

very nice

Posted: 9/23/2014 5:30:24 PM EDT

[#4]

Very nice

Posted: 9/23/2014 5:34:24 PM EDT

[#5]

i dig it!.. i notice you are lacking the sling keeper.

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=3223&idcategory=17

Posted: 9/23/2014 5:45:47 PM EDT

[#6]

That is a really nice rifle. Love the stock. My m39 -a '42 Sako- is one of my best shooters.

Posted: 9/23/2014 5:52:08 PM EDT

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My '41 sako is one of my best lookers.

Posted: 9/23/2014 6:03:01 PM EDT

[#8]

Sweet score!

Posted: 9/24/2014 12:41:32 PM EDT

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i dig it!.. i notice you are lacking the sling keeper.

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=3223&idcategory=17

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Thanks for the link!

Posted: 9/24/2014 5:28:46 PM EDT

[#10]

Just got one myself. Interesting rifles.

Posted: 9/25/2014 8:09:25 AM EDT

[#11]

Interesting. A Remington receiver recycled onto a 91/30 barrel, and a Finn capture at that. Nice.

Posted: 9/25/2014 11:37:32 AM EDT

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Interesting. A Remington receiver recycled onto a 91/30 barrel, and a Finn capture at that. Nice.

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? 91/30 barrel?

A finn capture???

Ok let me sort you out

1. Its a purpose made m39 barrel - produced at sako in Finland

2. The only "recycled" barrels used were B contract barrels from Belgium. Also a VERY few made by Tikka. Those were left over m91 barrels that were adapted for use in the m39.

3. A Finnish capture doesn't apply here. Only applies to Russian acquired weapons. IE 91/30s, Dragoons, and m91. This rifle was designed and manufactured in Finland - It was especially designed to use existing receivers that were already available due to the massive amounts in the Finnish military. Receiver manufacturing is the hardest part of the rifle to make.. and given that the Finnish had adapted the mosin nagant platform since 1919/1920 it made logical sense to keep running with stuff that already worked.

4. More in-depth reading:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

Posted: 9/25/2014 12:47:55 PM EDT

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? 91/30 barrel?

A finn capture???

Ok let me sort you out

1. Its a purpose made m39 barrel - produced at sako in Finland

2. The only "recycled" barrels used were B contract barrels from Belgium. Also a VERY few made by Tikka. Those were left over m91 barrels that were adapted for use in the m39.

3. A Finnish capture doesn't apply here. Only applies to Russian acquired weapons. IE 91/30s, Dragoons, and m91. This rifle was designed and manufactured in Finland - It was especially designed to use existing receivers that were already available due to the massive amounts in the Finnish military. Receiver manufacturing is the hardest part of the rifle to make.. and given that the Finnish had adapted the mosin nagant platform since 1919/1920 it made logical sense to keep running with stuff that already worked.

4. More in-depth reading:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

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Interesting. A Remington receiver recycled onto a 91/30 barrel, and a Finn capture at that. Nice.

? 91/30 barrel?

A finn capture???

Ok let me sort you out

1. Its a purpose made m39 barrel - produced at sako in Finland

2. The only "recycled" barrels used were B contract barrels from Belgium. Also a VERY few made by Tikka. Those were left over m91 barrels that were adapted for use in the m39.

3. A Finnish capture doesn't apply here. Only applies to Russian acquired weapons. IE 91/30s, Dragoons, and m91. This rifle was designed and manufactured in Finland - It was especially designed to use existing receivers that were already available due to the massive amounts in the Finnish military. Receiver manufacturing is the hardest part of the rifle to make.. and given that the Finnish had adapted the mosin nagant platform since 1919/1920 it made logical sense to keep running with stuff that already worked.

4. More in-depth reading:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

That's very cool, thanks for the info.

Posted: 9/25/2014 11:12:41 PM EDT

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? 91/30 barrel?

A finn capture???

Ok let me sort you out

1. Its a purpose made m39 barrel - produced at sako in Finland

2. The only "recycled" barrels used were B contract barrels from Belgium. Also a VERY few made by Tikka. Those were left over m91 barrels that were adapted for use in the m39.

3. A Finnish capture doesn't apply here. Only applies to Russian acquired weapons. IE 91/30s, Dragoons, and m91. This rifle was designed and manufactured in Finland - It was especially designed to use existing receivers that were already available due to the massive amounts in the Finnish military. Receiver manufacturing is the hardest part of the rifle to make.. and given that the Finnish had adapted the mosin nagant platform since 1919/1920 it made logical sense to keep running with stuff that already worked.

4. More in-depth reading:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

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Interesting. A Remington receiver recycled onto a 91/30 barrel, and a Finn capture at that. Nice.

? 91/30 barrel?

A finn capture???

Ok let me sort you out

1. Its a purpose made m39 barrel - produced at sako in Finland

2. The only "recycled" barrels used were B contract barrels from Belgium. Also a VERY few made by Tikka. Those were left over m91 barrels that were adapted for use in the m39.

3. A Finnish capture doesn't apply here. Only applies to Russian acquired weapons. IE 91/30s, Dragoons, and m91. This rifle was designed and manufactured in Finland - It was especially designed to use existing receivers that were already available due to the massive amounts in the Finnish military. Receiver manufacturing is the hardest part of the rifle to make.. and given that the Finnish had adapted the mosin nagant platform since 1919/1920 it made logical sense to keep running with stuff that already worked.

4. More in-depth reading:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

I've been wondering who made the B barrels. Obviously they came from Belgium, but did FN manufacture them, or someone else? I've yet to come across a definitive answer. My M39 has a plum-coloured B barrel. It has the Imperial Russian markings and Austro-Hungarian markings as well.

Posted: 11/20/2014 12:52:19 PM EDT

[#15]

Just wanted to update with a couple of new pictures. I repaired the crack in the neck by drilling down from the tang and inserting a wood dowel with wood glue. Seems very strong, and there's no more movement in the crack whatsoever.
There are other lines here and there that I'm not sure whether they are cracks/potential cracks or not - Are there any replacement stocks available? I wouldn't mind putting a newer, nicer stock on to keep this as shooter without worrying about future stock cracks, even though this is the original war-time stock apparently.
Also, is there any downside to leaving it as is with basically no bluing left? Has anyone had one reblued with any success?
Thanks!

Posted: 11/20/2014 1:30:16 PM EDT

[#16]

stocks can be found.. but really i would keep it as is. Sako rifle with a sako stock. Looks good and these stocks are very durable. What proably happened was a person shot the hell of it with loose/un-tightened action screws.

also i can not stress this enough:

DON"T TOUCH THE METAL FINISH!!!!

Many were refurbished by the Finnish; its hard to find a wartime Sako or any other m39 with that look. Leave it be.. money in the bank. You keep her oiled and carried for you can have a firearm in "the white" forever.

I know many a collector and my self included that would spend a little extra for a nice "ive been there and saw that" - over a pretty Finnish Redip.

Posted: 11/20/2014 2:12:18 PM EDT

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My Dad got an 1891 Westinghouse Mosin in a trade once. By the time I got done researching the stamps/marks, I believe the history was as follows:

1) Part of the batch made for the Czar but never delivered due to the Revolution.
2) Went to Russia anyway as part of Archangel.
3) Captured by the Russians and arsenaled.
4) Made it to Finland
5) Stamped into the "Home Reserves" (?)
6) and *possibly* made a detour to an Eastern Block country - there was a stamp that I couldn't really figure out, but may have been from one of the Baltics.

And it was all original - never been cut down.

Traded it for an M1 Carbine.

Posted: 11/20/2014 2:20:02 PM EDT

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My Dad got an 1891 Westinghouse Mosin in a trade once. By the time I got done researching the stamps/marks, I believe the history was as follows:

1) Part of the batch made for the Czar but never delivered due to the Revolution.
2) Went to Russia anyway as part of Archangel.
3) Captured by the Russians and arsenaled.
4) Made it to Finland
5) Stamped into the "Home Reserves" (?)
6) and *possibly* made a detour to an Eastern Block country - there was a stamp that I couldn't really figure out, but may have been from one of the Baltics.

And it was all original - never been cut down.

Traded it for an M1 Carbine.

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if it was marked NK - it was delivered and accepted into Russian control.

When the country's government collapsed the contract was terminated.

To save the behinds of Westinghouse / Remington the US government purchased the undelivered rifles.

If it was US issued it would have US proofs on the barrel shank .

Our troops didn't really use them till the 1920s; though you are correct about archangel; but at that time a very a small amount issued. They were later (in the 1920s) sold to the civil populace for pennies on the dollar.

Here is the most liekly history of your fathers westinghouse.

1. Delivered and accepted to Imperial Russia

2. Issussed and saw service in Russia.

3. Captured or acquired during or post WW1 by a Baltic nation.

4. Sold to Finland in the 1920s

Would love to see pictures of this rifle. If it has US proofs than its a jewel and prooves my initial theory wrong.. which is a very good possibility if he was able to trade it for a m1 carbine.

Posted: 11/20/2014 2:34:23 PM EDT

[#19]

Nope, no NK. I still have the pics - most potato quality but some clear ones. Can't post them right now - work blocks my picture site.

Shoot me your email address by IM and I'll send them if you would like.

Posted: 11/20/2014 2:39:40 PM EDT

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Nope, no NK. I still have the pics - most potato quality but some clear ones. Can't post them right now - work blocks my picture site.

Shoot me your email address by IM and I'll send them if you would like.

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pm sent.

Edit - pictures received. Sent you some additional information about it. After looking at the pictures.. your father stole that m1 carbine if this was a straight up trade.

Posted: 11/20/2014 8:15:18 PM EDT

[#21]

Cool m39s post here.

I love the worn looking rifles.

Here are two of my favorites......both in straight stocks with the second being originally made with it.

Posted: 11/21/2014 12:13:27 AM EDT

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stocks can be found.. but really i would keep it as is. Sako rifle with a sako stock. Looks good and these stocks are very durable. What proably happened was a person shot the hell of it with loose/un-tightened action screws.

also i can not stress this enough:

DON"T TOUCH THE METAL FINISH!!!!

Many were refurbished by the Finnish; its hard to find a wartime Sako or any other m39 with that look. Leave it be.. money in the bank. You keep her oiled and carried for you can have a firearm in "the white" forever.

I know many a collector and my self included that would spend a little extra for a nice "ive been there and saw that" - over a pretty Finnish Redip.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3920/14767461304_ef8973e24c_b.jpg

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Thanks for the advice. I'll leave it alone. If it gives me problems some day, I'll worry about it then.

Posted: 11/21/2014 12:16:33 AM EDT

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RIG grease for long term storage - ballistol for field work / short term (your shooters). - Do this and you should never have a problem.

Corrosive ammo (milsurp ) - flush with water , follow up with solvent - follow up with oil/grease

Posted: 11/21/2014 10:10:51 AM EDT

[#24]

Nice rifles, folks. My M39 is built on a rather boring '35 Izhevsk receiver, but Dad's ended up being an antique Chatellerault.

Posted: 11/21/2014 3:08:20 PM EDT

[#25]

I have a soft spot for the M39 as well, my 1944 VKT(bottom), My 1941 Sako(middle) and my 1943 Tikka(top)

Posted: 11/21/2014 3:14:07 PM EDT

[#26]

I've had a few but ended up selling them all. Don't like them that much for some reason. Nice one OP, not sure I would call that the original stock though, it is wartime.