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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:15:50 PM EDT
My Son and I finished up phase I of our major WWII combatant weapons collection (rifles and pistols of the 5 major participants; USA, Great Britian, Russia, Germany, and Japan). Obtaining the ammo for ones like the Japanese weapons was a bit tough but we finally did it.
We've also decided that, because France was only in the war for like 3 months, they're not going to be represented at this time. Further, while we likely will include the Italian's contributions in the future, money constraints don't allow for their acquisition at this time, so they are in the 'still to be acquired' category. In addition, while he has most examples, my son is still obtaining the last of the bayonets, slings, holsters, cleaning kits, etc. for each weapon. Finally, other than the M1 Carbine that I've had for 40+ yrs, we're not currently considering adding any carbines, etc., due to cost constraints. So, with all the ammo in hand, last Sunday, we took all 11 weapons to the range and had a ball shooting each example of the history of WWII. Allies USA: A Correct Grade 1954 HRA 30-06 M1 Garand, pristine 1943 NPM 30carbine M1 Carbine with high wood stock, and a 2011 Springfield 45acp Mil-Spec 1911. (Yes, we know that Springfield didn't produce 1911s in WWII but it's a close version and a favorite shooter of my son's.):  Great Britain: A British manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1943 Lee Enfield .303 British Mark 4 No. I and a British manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1941 Enfield 38s&w No. 2 MK 1* revolver:  USSR: A Tula manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1940 7.62x54R Mosin Nagant Rifle Model M91/30 and a Tula manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1933 M1895 7.62 Nagant revolver:  Axis Germany: A BYF (Mauser-Werke KG) 1944 Nazi (Eagle and Swastika Marked) 8mm German Mauser K98 Rifle and a BYF, matching s/n, 1940 Nazi (Eagle and Swastika Marked) Type 42 German 9mm Luger:  Japan: A Negoya mfg and proofed, matching s/n, 1940 Arisaka 7.7mm Type 99 Series III Rifle and a Negoya mfg and proofed, matching s/n, 1944 Nambu 8mm Second Series (19.10) Type 14 Pistol:  In summary, a group photo of the combat rifles of WWII:  and a group photo of the main combat pistols of WWII:  |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:30:47 PM EDT
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Italian rifles are still relatively inexpensive. They are also very well made. For a handgun, you would want to find a M1934 or M1935 Beretta.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Italian rifles are still relatively inexpensive. They are also very well made. For a handgun, you would want to find a M1934 or M1935 Beretta. Yep, $500 - $650 for a Beretta M1934 and $175 - $250 for a M1891 Carcano. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:23:46 PM EDT
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No FN/Browning Hi Power?
Used by both sides. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:34:46 PM EDT
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No FN/Browning Hi Power?
Used by both sides. Here is one as a Place Holder - Canadian Issued Inglis 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:39:21 PM EDT
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC.
Nice collection. You need a victory model smith as well. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:44:33 PM EDT
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. The French fought throughout the war- Mediterranean, Syria, Norway, and ETO. French rifles are still pretty affordable, and they are fine firearms. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:52:28 PM EDT
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Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. The French fought throughout the war- Mediterranean, Syria, Norway, and ETO. French rifles are still pretty affordable, and they are fine firearms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. The French fought throughout the war- Mediterranean, Syria, Norway, and ETO. French rifles are still pretty affordable, and they are fine firearms. Don't forget oft. forgot China. USSR and China take 1st and 2nd place in total number of casualties. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:51:14 PM EDT
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Whoa that Mauser looks absolutely amazing. Never seen a blonde Mauser before
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:53:27 PM EDT
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Very nice collection, you need some Swiss arms to go with it.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:08:00 PM EDT
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Whoa that Mauser looks absolutely amazing. Never seen a blonde Mauser before Please note that the stock on the 98k pictured above was clearly refinished. It is not original. I take no pleasure in saying that, and I do so not to rain on the OP's parade, but rather to inform you and others who may not be experienced in this area. It's very important for collectors of old military rifles to be able to discern the difference in appearance between original pieces and those that have been cleaned or refinished. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:08:50 PM EDT
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Very nice collection, you need some Swiss arms to go with it. And a French mas. A carcano or two. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:07:21 PM EDT
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Awesome Idea and collection thus far
You really need a Tokarev
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:19:54 AM EDT
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No P38?
(I sold mine... I need to get another.) 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:32:46 AM EDT
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Radom. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 2:56:05 AM EDT
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Nice collection. You need a victory model smith as well. Are you sure about that? This picture was taken on Iwo Jima shortly after the island was secured. The Marine is watching a damaged B-29 belly land in the water after a raid on the Japanese home islands. 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:48:01 AM EDT
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Carbine bayo lugs were a late war feature and added during post war refurbishment of earlier production.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:51:27 AM EDT
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Nice collection. You need a victory model smith as well. Bayonet lugs started in 1945. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:23:40 AM EDT
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Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. Not quite. I have an original 1944 Winchester with a stamped adjustable rear sight that still has its factory stake in place. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 5:20:10 AM EDT
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Nice collection of classic weapons of war.
You need an M1903A3. Lots of those were used in WWII. Sorry, you can't have mine.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 5:46:53 AM EDT
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Needs moar M38, M39, M44, carcano, and beltfed
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Posted: 4/10/2014 7:25:19 AM EDT
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Definitely second the motion on 03-A3 and victory model, plus a real gi 1911 orA1 and a regular 1903 as well ( many pacific land battles fought with the 03 through 1942 and into 43.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:08:12 AM EDT
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Place holders:
1911 A1  " />
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1941 AC 1944 BYF:  " />
1903 mrk 1 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 10:01:22 AM EDT
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My Son and I finished up phase I of our major WWII combatant weapons collection (rifles and pistols of the 5 major participants; USA, Great Britian, Russia, Germany, and Japan). Obtaining the ammo for ones like the Japanese weapons was a bit tough but we finally did it. We've also decided that, because France was only in the war for like 3 months, they're not going to be represented at this time. Further, while we likely will include the Italian's contributions in the future, money constraints don't allow for their acquisition at this time, so they are in the 'still to be acquired' category. In addition, while he has most examples, my son is still obtaining the last of the bayonets, slings, holsters, cleaning kits, etc. for each weapon. Finally, other than the M1 Carbine that I've had for 40+ yrs, we're not currently considering adding any carbines, etc., due to cost constraints. So, with all the ammo in hand, last Sunday, we took all 11 weapons to the range and had a ball shooting each example of the history of WWII. Allies USA: A Correct Grade 1954 HRA 30-06 M1 Garand, pristine 1943 NPM 30carbine M1 Carbine with high wood stock, and a 2011 Springfield 45acp Mil-Spec 1911. (Yes, we know that Springfield didn't produce 1911s in WWII but it's a close version and a favorite shooter of my son's.): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3898_zps87f364dd.jpg Great Britain: A British manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1943 Lee Enfield .303 British Mark 4 No. I and a British manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1941 Enfield 38s&w No. 2 MK 1* revolver: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3906_zps5349a872.jpg USSR: A Tula manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1940 7.62x54R Mosin Nagant Rifle Model M91/30 and a Tula manufactured and proofed, matching s/n, 1933 M1895 7.62 Nagant revolver: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3895_zps34d6f839.jpg Axis Germany: A BYF (Mauser-Werke KG) 1944 Nazi (Eagle and Swastika Marked) 8mm German Mauser K98 Rifle and a BYF, matching s/n, 1940 Nazi (Eagle and Swastika Marked) Type 42 German 9mm Luger: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3908_zps048ed27e.jpg Japan: A Negoya mfg and proofed, matching s/n, 1940 Arisaka 7.7mm Type 99 Series III Rifle and a Negoya mfg and proofed, matching s/n, 1944 Nambu 8mm Second Series (19.10) Type 14 Pistol: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3897_zpsdd57626f.jpg In summary, a group photo of the combat rifles of WWII: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3903_zps8e6b28d6.jpg and a group photo of the main combat pistols of WWII: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/IMG_3901_zpsd3ab502f.jpg thank you so very much for sharing, awesome! I started the same way, first it was just one of every main battle rifle used in WW2, then one of every American from 1870 to present, then one of every enfield, one of every french...and on and on.... now im working on one of every M1 carbine mfg! You wont stop,
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Posted: 4/10/2014 10:37:30 AM EDT
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Agreed, its an addiction. You think you are done and then something else catches your fancy.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 2:14:58 PM EDT
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Also find an M1917. They were widely used in WWII.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:11:17 PM EDT
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Not quite. I have an original 1944 Winchester with a stamped adjustable rear sight that still has its factory stake in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. Not quite. I have an original 1944 Winchester with a stamped adjustable rear sight that still has its factory stake in place. Noted, and thanks for the correction. 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:53:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2014 5:40:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the comments and observations. Yes, we know that the German Mauser has a refinished stock, it's also not s/n correct but it's all Nazi marked. Yes, some are rare (type 99 with original stock, chrysanthemum intact, non-reimport, s/n correct incl. dust cover, anti-air sights, mono-pod, bayonet, scabbard, and frog) and some are not (new Springfield 1911 instead of a Colt).
It's our collection for examples of the primary WWII combat arms from only the 5 major participants. There are many, many more items that could be added, however, like everyone, we are resource limited and decided that these fulfilled our desires. Only the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, German K98, Type 42 Luger, Arisaka Type 99, and Nambu Type 14 are really expensive. For instance, we took the M1 Garand into Cabella's Gun Library and they told us they would list it for sale at $2,295.00 as pictured but w/o the extras we have for it (En-blocs, Case, Bayonet, Scabbard, Cleaning Set, Bolt Tool, M-7 Grenade Launcher & Grenade Sight, M31 Inert Grenade, M1 Grenade Projection Adapter and Dummy Grenade, M11A3 Inert Grenade, etc.). ETA: Nice collection BigBore! I recently saw another Type 94 and grenade that I have my eye on. Further, we didn't include our 1903A3, M1A, or ARs in our 'military' collection. They are of another time. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:50:59 AM EDT
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Of another time ????
The 03-A3 landed on the shores of North Africa and islands in the Pacific in '42 to start our participation in WWII. It served us well to the very end in 1945. If you have one you should include it in the collection. Not only are they important weapons of WWII, they are beautiful rifles too. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 8:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carbine bayo lugs were a late war feature and added during post war refurbishment of earlier production. There were no bayo lugs in the European theater. They did make it to the pacific. However the rear sight on the OP carbine is post war.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 8:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not quite. I have an original 1944 Winchester with a stamped adjustable rear sight that still has its factory stake in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: M1 carbine didn't have a bayonet lug until post war IIRC. Correct. The sight is also incorrect for a war time Carbine. Not quite. I have an original 1944 Winchester with a stamped adjustable rear sight that still has its factory stake in place. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 8:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of another time ???? The 03-A3 landed on the shores of North Africa and islands in the Pacific in '42 to start our participation in WWII. It served us well to the very end in 1945. If you have one you should include it in the collection. Not only are they important weapons of WWII, they are beautiful rifles too. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Very nice collection
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Posted: 4/15/2014 12:20:06 PM EDT
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Cool, nice collections. I like the WW2 stuff myself.
HDH. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:14:22 PM EDT
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Cool, nice collections. I like the WW2 stuff myself. <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1441_zps616d5be3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1441_zps616d5be3.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1440_zps27e069b9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1440_zps27e069b9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/s27011.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/s27011.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1431_zps4a3de22f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1431_zps4a3de22f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1447_zps3029b6b1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1447_zps3029b6b1.jpg</a> <a 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I'm sure you were fully expecting this sort of response, but let me be the first to say "Bravo." |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:35:18 PM EDT
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Beautiful collection. I have a long way to go to catch up.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:44:51 PM EDT
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Cool, nice collections. I like the WW2 stuff myself. <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1426_zps6b54cfdd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1426_zps6b54cfdd.jpg</a> FYI, the mustard yellow slings entered French service in Fall 1962, so far too late for WW2. A black or natural/russet sling would be correct if you care at all. Cheers, and awesome collection!
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