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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:02:03 PM
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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:05:59 PM
I entered all transaction in the book as a general record with a note saying no CRFFL purchase.
So really no you do not have to, but keep records in case of inspection. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:18:30 PM
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
If I buy M1 from the CMP without using my C&R, am I supposed to enter the transaction into my bound book anyway? I've heard both yes and no. Yes. While you have a C&R license you are required to record acquisition and/or disposition of all C&R eligible firearms regardless of where it was to/from. You do not have to record acquisitions of anything previously in your collection. If you sell a previously owned C&R eligible firearm while you have a C&R you must record the disposition. You do not have to record any acquisitions or dispositions after it expires if you let your C&R expire. You do not have to record any transfers of antique (pre-1898) or "modern" non-C&R eligible firearms. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 3:47:31 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
If I buy M1 from the CMP without using my C&R, am I supposed to enter the transaction into my bound book anyway? I've heard both yes and no. Yes. While you have a C&R license you are required to record acquisition and/or disposition of all C&R eligible firearms regardless of where it was to/from. You do not have to record acquisitions of anything previously in your collection. If you sell a previously owned C&R eligible firearm while you have a C&R you must record the disposition. You do not have to record any acquisitions or dispositions after it expires if you let your C&R expire. You do not have to record any transfers of antique (pre-1898) or "modern" non-C&R eligible firearms. This. We beat this up one side and down the other on the CMP forums when the CMP started selling M1's in volume. The other big question was "Is a barreled receiver a firearm"? |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:41:34 PM
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:17:18 PM
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:51:06 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). Yep; had one guy tell me that all 3 conditions listed in the law needed to apply, and "I've been doing this for 25 years and if it's not on this list right here it's not a C&R." I pointed directly to the wording in the list where it gives the 3 qualifications and the word "or" - it was even underlined. His response? "Well, something must be wrong with this version of the list because I KNOW what's a C&R and what's not!" Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:51:27 PM
[Last Edit: 7/30/2012 9:27:54 PM by R2point0]
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Posted: 8/3/2012 12:25:59 AM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). Yeah, I've done the 4473 with my C&R at the bigger shops like Cabelas and Scheels for their records...Cabelas puts a line through it. They do it for inventory control. Had Scheel's go nazi on me last time, I was buying a Colt 1873 Lightning made in 1891 and the old broad behind the counter said "Its not leaving here without an FFL!" I said, its an ANTIQUE made 7 years before the invention of Smokeless powder, you can't even find ammo for it (38 Colt) "Are you going to shoot it?" "Well, duh" "Then we need a background check or an FFL" "OK, fine, go to the ammo aisle and bring me over a case of 38 Colt to go with it." I was at that point where I was about to say Go Eff yourself and walk away, but I had been trying to find this gun in this condition for at least 20 years and this was too good a price, so I gave them a copy of my C&R just to get out of there. I've bought a good 10-15 guns from them, guess this will be the last. Its pretty sad when the antique shops in Reno know the gun laws better than a major sporting goods store or half the "dealers" on Gunbroker. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 12:29:02 AM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). You're doing it right. It's not a list of what you acquired and disposed WITH your license, it's a record of acquisitions/dispositions WHILE you are licensed. |
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Heartbreaker1373
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:05:12 PM
Originally Posted By Sajer:
I entered all transaction in the book as a general record with a note saying no CRFFL purchase. So really no you do not have to, but keep records in case of inspection. You ARE licensed, it is not that you USE your license. ALL C&R firearms get logged in when purchased. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:46:49 AM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 12:47:46 AM by SoftwareJanitor]
Originally Posted By MikeSearson:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). Yeah, I've done the 4473 with my C&R at the bigger shops like Cabelas and Scheels for their records...Cabelas puts a line through it. They do it for inventory control. Had Scheel's go nazi on me last time, I was buying a Colt 1873 Lightning made in 1891 and the old broad behind the counter said "Its not leaving here without an FFL!" I said, its an ANTIQUE made 7 years before the invention of Smokeless powder, you can't even find ammo for it (38 Colt) "Are you going to shoot it?" "Well, duh" "Then we need a background check or an FFL" "OK, fine, go to the ammo aisle and bring me over a case of 38 Colt to go with it." I was at that point where I was about to say Go Eff yourself and walk away, but I had been trying to find this gun in this condition for at least 20 years and this was too good a price, so I gave them a copy of my C&R just to get out of there. I've bought a good 10-15 guns from them, guess this will be the last. Its pretty sad when the antique shops in Reno know the gun laws better than a major sporting goods store or half the "dealers" on Gunbroker. Actually you can buy Black Hills .38 Colt cowboy loads. They aren't that easy to find, but some places that carry a lot of CASS stuff carry it (like Texas Jack's down in Fredericksburg). It is even loaded light enough so it is safe to shoot in antique firearms like my Colt 1895 .38 DA http://www.midwayusa.com/product/589514/black-hills-cowboy-action-ammunition-38-long-colt-158-grain-lead-round-nose-box-of-50 But yeah, they were being idiots. You don't need any paperwork to buy and sell 1891 made firearms all day long. |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 5:05:39 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By MikeSearson:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
I entered the info into my acquisitions and noted that the purchase did not involve the use of my C&R license in the book. I hope that's adequate. The note is not at all necessary. You don't "use" your C&R license as much as you ARE C&R licensed, even when you are buying an eligible firearm from CMP, through a private sale or from a FFL01 dealer who makes you do a 4473 (they shouldn't, as they can just do an FFL->FFL transfer, but some will absolutely refuse to do that, usually out of ignorance as to what a C&R FFL 03 is and how it works). Yeah, I've done the 4473 with my C&R at the bigger shops like Cabelas and Scheels for their records...Cabelas puts a line through it. They do it for inventory control. Had Scheel's go nazi on me last time, I was buying a Colt 1873 Lightning made in 1891 and the old broad behind the counter said "Its not leaving here without an FFL!" I said, its an ANTIQUE made 7 years before the invention of Smokeless powder, you can't even find ammo for it (38 Colt) "Are you going to shoot it?" "Well, duh" "Then we need a background check or an FFL" "OK, fine, go to the ammo aisle and bring me over a case of 38 Colt to go with it." I was at that point where I was about to say Go Eff yourself and walk away, but I had been trying to find this gun in this condition for at least 20 years and this was too good a price, so I gave them a copy of my C&R just to get out of there. I've bought a good 10-15 guns from them, guess this will be the last. Its pretty sad when the antique shops in Reno know the gun laws better than a major sporting goods store or half the "dealers" on Gunbroker. Actually you can buy Black Hills .38 Colt cowboy loads. They aren't that easy to find, but some places that carry a lot of CASS stuff carry it (like Texas Jack's down in Fredericksburg). It is even loaded light enough so it is safe to shoot in antique firearms like my Colt 1895 .38 DA http://www.midwayusa.com/product/589514/black-hills-cowboy-action-ammunition-38-long-colt-158-grain-lead-round-nose-box-of-50 But yeah, they were being idiots. You don't need any paperwork to buy and sell 1891 made firearms all day long. Yeah, I bought some in my local shop the next day that was covered in dust on the shelf. I just knew these assholes didn't have any in stock. |
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Posted: 8/14/2012 11:15:22 AM
Originally Posted By MikeSearson:
Yeah, I bought some in my local shop the next day that was covered in dust on the shelf. I just knew these assholes didn't have any in stock. Yeah, probably a safe bet for most shops. |
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