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Posted: 5/9/2017 1:38:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnson184:
Hoping to clarify a few things to avoid any surprises... I understand I have to enter all C&R purchases into a log book. But what about if I acquire it without using the C&R license? Like traditional FFL background check, private face to face transactions, or even selling a gun I previously owned? 1. If I sell a C&R eligible gun that I've had in my possession BEFORE acquiring my C&R license, I still have to enter it into my log book if I sell it to another person, right? Could this get me in trouble if I do it for multiple guns? 2. If I come across a nice C&R gun at a great price, could I buy it the usual way through my FFL and undergo the normal background check process? Would I still have to enter it into my log book and would I get in trouble for selling it in the future? 3. If I buy a C&R eligible gun face to face from a private seller, would I also have to enter that into my log book as well? 1. No, you do NOT have to enter a previously-owned C&R-eligible firearm into your C&R log book after you obtain your license. You did not buy it "using" your license. 2. Yes, you can buy it the usual way. I did the same thing with a Mosin at Cabela's. For whatever reason, Cabela's did not have a process/mechanism to sell me a C&R-eligible firearm to me via my C&R license. I bought it the usual way on a Form 4473. The person at ATF specifically said that I do NOT enter that one into my log book because I did not use my license to buy it. You would sell it in the usual way that you would sell any other firearm, so no, you would not get in trouble. 3. Only if the other person held a C&R license AND the firearm that you were purchasing was on their books. Both conditions have to be present. Otherwise, it would be like any other firearm sale, and you would NOT report it to the ATF when renewing your C&R FFL. Again, please read my post on page 20 because of controversial interpretations of the rules/laws. Apparently, it seems that too many people read too much into the actual law and just make it harder on themselves. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2017 3:54:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Hey Guys,
I'm starting my application for a C&R license, but I have a question about item 10C. It states; C. Are you in possession of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States? 1. If you answered "NO," you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee. 2. If you answered "YES," complete the following information, and attach a copy of the hunting license or permit to the application. I don't have a hunting license. Does this mean ATF will turn down my application for a C&R license? |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 5:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepinCO:
Hey Guys, I'm starting my application for a C&R license, but I have a question about item 10C. It states; C. Are you in possession of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States? 1. If you answered "NO," you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee. 2. If you answered "YES," complete the following information, and attach a copy of the hunting license or permit to the application. I don't have a hunting license. Does this mean ATF will turn down my application for a C&R license? CD |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2017 6:28:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks!
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2017 1:34:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JeepinCO]
[#5]
I just got off the phone with the ATF about some questions. Their answers seem to conflict with the information here. The info in this post says to fill out the 5330-20, but when I talked to the ATF the gal there said it wasn't needed for a C&R license. I don't have a Trust so is it necessary to complete this form?
Also, she said I need to send in a fingerprint card along with a passport photo. Is this true? Is the address still: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms P.O. Box 409567 Atlanta, Georgia 30384-9567 thanks |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:12:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepinCO:
I just got off the phone with the ATF about some questions. Their answers seem to conflict with the information here. The info in this post says to fill out the 5330-20, but when I talked to the ATF the gal there said it wasn't needed for a C&R license. I don't have a Trust so is it necessary to complete this form? thanks Please read my reply on page 22 regarding this and other changes to the forms. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 6:48:10 PM EDT
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I had a TT33 that I had before my C&R, that I now log into my record book as I sold it. Now I sold it to a friend in another state so I took it to a local 01 FFL who sent it to another 01 FFL and mailed USPS. (cheaper then me mailing thru common carrier). Friend picked it up at his 01 FFL. My question is who do I log it out to? Friend is the one that paid for it.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:08:27 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I had a TT33 that I had before my C&R, that I now log into my record book as I sold it. Now I sold it to a friend in another state so I took it to a local 01 FFL who sent it to another 01 FFL and mailed USPS. (cheaper then me mailing thru common carrier). Friend picked it up at his 01 FFL. My question is who do I log it out to? Friend is the one that paid for it. CD If they didn't, the out of state 01 FFL may have booked it in on your 03 C&R. The out of state 01 FFL will book it in and then out to your friend when he picks it up. This would be the proper 'chain of custody'. I've consigned or shipped C&R items though my local FFL as well. I book it out to them, even if I know the person who ultimately purchased it. BTW, I happen to work there part-time, and this is the process we use. They will not ship a firearm without putting it in and out of their bound book. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ker-Pow:
Did the 01 FFL book it in (as they should) prior to shipping to the out of state FFL? If so, you would book it out to them, as they will book it in as coming from your 03 C&R. If they didn't, the out of state 01 FFL may have booked it in on your 03 C&R. The out of state 01 FFL will book it in and then out to your friend when he picks it up. This would be the proper 'chain of custody'. I've consigned or shipped C&R items though my local FFL as well. I book it out to them, even if I know the person who ultimately purchased it. BTW, I happen to work there part-time, and this is the process we use. They will not ship a firearm without putting it in and out of their bound book. CD |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 6:27:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I had a TT33 that I had before my C&R, that I now log into my record book as I sold it. Now I sold it to a friend in another state so I took it to a local 01 FFL who sent it to another 01 FFL and mailed USPS. (cheaper then me mailing thru common carrier). Friend picked it up at his 01 FFL. My question is who do I log it out to? Friend is the one that paid for it. CD For more information, please see my reply at the top of this page and on page 20. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 2:07:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ker-Pow]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rx4spd:
If you had the TT33 before you got your C&R, why did you put it in your book? You didn't have to according to Martinsburg. For more information, please see my reply at the top of this page and on page 20. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rx4spd:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I had a TT33 that I had before my C&R, that I now log into my record book as I sold it. Now I sold it to a friend in another state so I took it to a local 01 FFL who sent it to another 01 FFL and mailed USPS. (cheaper then me mailing thru common carrier). Friend picked it up at his 01 FFL. My question is who do I log it out to? Friend is the one that paid for it. CD For more information, please see my reply at the top of this page and on page 20. |
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Posted: 9/1/2017 12:17:17 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ker-Pow:
My understanding has always been that you are not required to log items into your book if you owned them prior to obtaining your license. However, if you sell said same item once you have your license, you must log it out in your book. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ker-Pow:
Originally Posted By rx4spd:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I had a TT33 that I had before my C&R, that I now log into my record book as I sold it. Now I sold it to a friend in another state so I took it to a local 01 FFL who sent it to another 01 FFL and mailed USPS. (cheaper then me mailing thru common carrier). Friend picked it up at his 01 FFL. My question is who do I log it out to? Friend is the one that paid for it. CD For more information, please see my reply at the top of this page and on page 20. Think of it another way... When you renew your C&R license, it asks you how many you've bought and sold. If you've read my previous replies, you'll note that Martinsburg specifically said that you do NOT list firearms that you bought without using your license. And that includes both before AND after you've obtained your C&R license. How could you sell one FROM your license that you didn't acquire WITH your license? Also, how could you log something OUT of your book that you didn't log INTO your book from another FFL-03? Even a regular FFL dealer can have a private firearm collection buying face-to-face without a license. |
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Posted: 1/19/2018 7:45:41 PM EDT
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I'm an idiot. I was all ready to renew my application, had everything filled out, and then forgot about the envelopes in my briefcase until after my new license expired.
Remind me again: Do I need to fill out section "B" for "responsible person" if I'm the only one applying for the license? |
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Posted: 1/20/2018 2:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov:
I'm an idiot. I was all ready to renew my application, had everything filled out, and then forgot about the envelopes in my briefcase until after my new license expired.
Remind me again: Do I need to fill out section "B" for "responsible person" if I'm the only one applying for the license? Section B only asked about Gunsmithing Activities and Hours of Operation on my form. But then again, mine was a Renewal Application and not for a first time applicant. I just did a quick search and looked at the application. It looks like it was revised again in May 2017. At first glance, it looks like you fill out Section B if this is your first time. Otherwise, you fill it out only if you add someone else. It seems that they have combined multiple applications into one form, and they're trying to capture all of the different scenarios and licenses into this one form. I think this section applies more to other licenses rather than C&R. That's how I interpret the instructions. A quick call to Martinsburg should give you a definitive answer. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 10:19:24 AM EDT
[#15]
I've got a question about applying for a C&R license. I'm looking to get my C&R and I live with my mom for the time being. Should she be added as a responsible person since she is retired and would most likely be home whenever any gun gets delivered? Not sure how that would work if she wasn't on the license and I wasn't there. Thanks for any help
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Posted: 8/8/2018 5:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jnutz19:
I've got a question about applying for a C&R license. I'm looking to get my C&R and I live with my mom for the time being. Should she be added as a responsible person since she is retired and would most likely be home whenever any gun gets delivered? Not sure how that would work if she wasn't on the license and I wasn't there. Thanks for any help BATFE, Firearms Technology Branch 304-260-5476 FYI, I did talk to the Firearms and Explosive Imports Branch beginning of Jul. Seems I can import C&R from Afghanistan (was restricted for awhile). Bad news I was medevac'd out mid Jul  Gotta work on that whenever I get back on my next trip.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:08:27 PM EDT
[#17]
So, after letting my 03 expire twice, I just applied again and received it in less than a month.
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Posted: 7/19/2019 7:29:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Here are the dates of my recent renewal.
Mailed renewal form: 04/25/19 Received license: 07/01/19 |
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Posted: 11/14/2019 4:02:54 PM EDT
[#19]
I'm going for it. Read this whole thread and MUCH of it is very outdated information. I will glean what I can from it but a new thread of current C&R issues would probably be good.
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:42:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fender_fella]
[#20]
Mailed application and CLEO letter - 15 NOV 2019
CC Charged - 20 NOV 2019 License - 03 FEB 2020 - Got It! Finally 80 days from mailbox to mailbox. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2020 5:28:59 PM EDT
[#21]
Mailed application: January 7, 2020
Received FFL O3 in mail: January 24, 2020 What is the "Information Card" in the lower left-hand corner used for? Should I make copies with the Information Card intact on the FFL? |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 6:04:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By All10X:
Mailed application: January 7, 2020 Received FFL O3 in mail: January 24, 2020 What is the "Information Card" in the lower left-hand corner used for? Should I make copies with the Information Card intact on the FFL? 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 3:13:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#23]
Expires: 1 March 2020
Mailed Renewal: 3 Feb 2020 (from Astan) Received at home: 24 March 2020 CD |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 12:53:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Mailed March 16th. $30 cashed March 19th. FFL received today
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Posted: 10/5/2020 9:52:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Card charged September 18
Received today. |
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Posted: 11/16/2020 1:29:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Emt1581]
[#26]
Anyone have a recent time frame?
Sent in my application early October and haven't been charged or received the license yet. EDIT....and it was in today's mail!
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:28:18 PM EDT
[#27]
If you had a C&R 10 years ago and want to re-apply, do you have to find your old license number to put on the new app?
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:05:46 AM EDT
[#28]
Got a current timeline for y'all. Sent my app in on January 22nd, card was charged January 30th, received my license today! May have been quicker if I hadn't fat fingered by DOB on Part B, I guess month 14 doesn't exist (should have been 12). Now, HUGE KUDOS to the individual processing my application! He called me last week to ask about my DOB and verify it. They usually send a letter for clarification but he said the Post Office is going so slow (could take a few weeks) and he wanted to know if I could fill out a new Part B, sign and date it, then email it to him to speed things along. I had it done that day. As much as people bad mouth the ATF and government bureaucracy, this gentlemen went above and beyond. Huge thank you good Sir! Big step in restoring some faith in the system.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:08:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: irish132]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By far_right: If you had a C&R 10 years ago and want to re-apply, do you have to find your old license number to put on the new app? |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:45:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irish132: I let mine expire back in 2006 and put the license number on my app. I would say you would need it since Part B, question 20, specifically asks if you had ever held an FFL. Part B does ask if the applicant has ever held an FFL, but that doesn't mean you have to have your old number for the new application. I didn't, so they gave me a new one. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2021 12:30:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Mailed my renewal on March 3rd.
Card charged March 8th. No license yet. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 12:09:05 PM EDT
[#32]
All those that have 03 FFLs beware that in ATF Receiver Propose is the requirement for COLLECTORS to maintain their A&D books from 20 yrs (changed in 2016) to INDEFINENT! This is located near the end under record keeping.
Please commit that the current rule is long enough. We don't need to hold our books when we're in nursing/old soldiers home. ATF 2021R-05 is the name of the proposed ruling. CD |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2021 9:03:39 AM EDT
[#33]
On Wednesday my credit card decided to decline the $30 transaction from the ATF. Any idea if they will follow up for info or just reject the application?
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Posted: 7/4/2021 9:21:38 AM EDT
[#34]
I forgot to renew mine
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Posted: 7/4/2021 9:43:36 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mitchman705: On Wednesday my credit card decided to decline the $30 transaction from the ATF. Any idea if they will follow up for info or just reject the application? Banks will usually run it twice. CD |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 12:22:41 PM EDT
[#36]
I forgot to renew my c & r.
It expired but the form says mail back if you're not renewing should I still mail it back? |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2021 3:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HipSh0T]
[#37]
If you allow your C&R to expire do you have to start over from square one if you decide you'd like it again? I stupidly let mine expire in 2018 after having it for 12 years, I moved and didn't receive the renewal form on top of forgetting it was expiring.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:59:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Long dry spell with no quesitons here. Anyone know on renewal what to put down for HOURS OF OPERATION. I'm thinking leaving blank.
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Posted: 3/17/2023 2:10:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Long dry spell with no quesitons here. Anyone know on renewal what to put down for HOURS OF OPERATION. I'm thinking leaving blank. Call local ATF and put one hour down. Wife received my renewal this week in the mail. Now she'll forward it to me OCONUS. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:48:31 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Call local ATF and put one hour down. Wife received my renewal this week in the mail. Now she'll forward it to me OCONUS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Long dry spell with no quesitons here. Anyone know on renewal what to put down for HOURS OF OPERATION. I'm thinking leaving blank. Call local ATF and put one hour down. Wife received my renewal this week in the mail. Now she'll forward it to me OCONUS. I wrote "Not applicable" across this section as I'm not in the "Business " of selling firearms to the general public for profit. I mailed my renewal with a USPS money order on Feb. 24th and received my license on Mar. 15th, so three weeks. Gary |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:09:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reloder56: I wrote "Not applicable" across this section as I'm not in the "Business " of selling firearms to the general public for profit. I mailed my renewal with a USPS money order on Feb. 24th and received my license on Mar. 15th, so three weeks. Gary Have to remember that 3 yrs from now. |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 8:07:38 AM EDT
[#42]
I just realized mine expired October 1, no renewal notice from ATF at all. Do I call them?
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Posted: 12/10/2023 4:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: I just realized mine expired October 1, no renewal notice from ATF at all. Do I call them? If you look up a few posts, you'll see the exact same thing happened to me. Save yourself the hassle of calling them and getting nowhere, I started over from scratch and went online requested the packet, etc. Assholes |
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Posted: 12/10/2023 6:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: I just realized mine expired October 1, no renewal notice from ATF at all. Do I call them? Shred your bound book and start over. |
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