I received a request for a tacked "how to thread." As your intrepid and fearless servant I give unto thee a tacked thread. Please share your experience and tips for obtaining a C&R for our fellow shooters.

OK, here's the basics... anyone else thinks of anything else, or notices any bad info or dead links, email me or IM me...

What is a C&R or Cruffler?
C&R is nothing more than a way to facilitate collecting.
You may have certain firearms shipped to your C&R FFL address, just like a FFL business.
The easy definition is firearms that are 50 years old or more.
-There are also some collectible firearms allowed.
You can write to the ATF asking them to determine a firearm a C&R.
-It looks a little difficult; requiring you to demonstrate why the firearm is collectible.
It is not a business.
-It MAY NOT be a business or it will be taken away fom you.
If you can own a gun you can get a C&R license.
The ATF determines who may have a C&R.
-Cities have little to no say in whether you may get one.
It does require you to keep a logbook.
-You must record EVERY C&R purchase.
You don't have to record non C&R firearms purchases in your C&R bound book.

Still interested?
Here are the forms you will need to fill out and where to send them

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Instructions for 5310 series forms Because of legal reasons, and the requirement of fingerprint cards and photographs, the Form 7 cannot be posted on our site. To receive the application, along with the proper fingerprint cards, either go to the Distribution Center Order Form or call the Distribution Center at (703) 455-7801 and a packet will be sent to you via U.S. mail. If you e-mail your request, please provide your complete name and address address, the type of license you wish to apply for and a packet will be sent to you via U.S. mail. 7CR (5310.16) - Application for License (FFL)

Make sure you order this one from the list on the right: F 7CR (5310.16) - Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) Under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, Firearms

ATF Forms you will receive in your packet:

ATF application form F 7CR If filling this out for yourself, you will use "Individual" or "Individual Collector" when it asks for position. Fill out 2 copies of this one, as you need to send one to the ATF and one to your Chief Law Enforcement Officer.


ATF US Citizenship certification Form F 5330.20 If you are filling out the application as an individual collector, then you will be the person certifying yourself. Add you Social Security Number to the document.

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Mail your C&R Application and your US Citizenship Certification form, along with a money order for $30.00, to the ATF at:

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
P.O. Box 409567
Atlanta, Georgia 30384-9567


Mail a copy of the application only, to your CLEO. Include a letter like this:

Dear Chief/Sheriff X,

Enclosed please find, as per federal regulation, a copy of my ATF Form 7CR. You are not required to take any action with respect to the enclosed form. If I can be of any service, or if there are any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at the address above. Please be advised this is not a license to do business, but only a license to collect.

Respectfully,


Soon2B C&R Guy

Some suggest you include the sentence in blue, if you are concerned you CLEO will try to stop or harass your application. Note, it is not up to the CLEO to accept or decline your application. You are onlty required to send them a copy. The ATF decides whether or not to issue the license.
It is also suggested you send this via certified mail.

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ATF phone number in Atlanta - (404) 417-2750 or 1-866-662-2750
fax number is: (404) 417-2751 or 1-866-257-2749
Of course, after about 10 days, you'll need to call and find out just where the heck your license is.

Call this number and ask for the licensing dept.
Tell them you are calling about the status of your C&R license.
They will then ask what state you are applying in, and transfer you to the person handling your license.
That person almost never seems to answer the phone.
I was told they get about 100 apps per day. I don't know if they meant per state or countrywide.
I'm sure that includes 01 and 03 FFL's.

i will definitly second contacting RK Enterprises. Outstanding helpful folks.

Originally Posted By JThompson: Just wondering.... If you have a C&R does it now allow ATF to stop by when ever they want and request to review your log book and inspect your collection?

No, they have to make an appointment, and you can goto THEIR office.




And just to start some trouble, you have to log EVERY C&R firearm you aquire while you are licensed in your bound book no matter how you get it. You do not "use" your licence, you "are licenced". Just like driving you don't "use" your licence only when someone asks for it, you are licenced to drive.

Once you have sent your application in....

You will probably be chomping at the bit for the next 4 to 6 weeks. Use this time to your advantage. Start looking over the vendors list and addressing a couple envelopes a night. Include a letter notifying the vendor that you have enclosed a signed copy of your license and wish to be added to their mailing list as well as their e-mail list. Also request that you be informed of any future sales or promotions.

Do a few of these at a time and set them aside. When your license finally arrives, make several copies of it and sign them. DO NOT SIGN THE ORIGINAL LICENSE. Add the signed copies to the allready addressed envelopes along with the letters.

Trust me on this, you wont want to wait untill the last minute to start trying to address 50+ envelopes and get them sent off. Once you send the envelopes off you will once again be chomping at the bit, just waiting for all the catalogs to start showing up over the next 3 or 4 weeks.

One last piece of advice, keep a list of the vendors who have your license on file. That way you will know at a glance if a vendor has your stuff should you see a sale on something you want.

Have fun!

Can you still get a C&R through a private party? Such as a gunshow person to person transfer.

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: -There are also some collectible firearms allowed. You can write to the ATF asking them to determine a firearm a C&R. -It looks a little difficult; requiring you to demonstrate why the firearm is collectible.

Leisure_Shoot, as far as you know would the ATF ever consider special anniversary editions of say the 25th anniversary AR-15 or the 40th anniversary Ruger 10/22 a C&R? Bob

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It makes sense that you would need to log the prior ones, because otherwise you could buy some guns with your C&R and just claim you've had them since before you got the C&R.

You log previously owned guns only if you sell them.

Originally Posted By napalm: Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: Yes. What a C&R does is allow you to have it mailed to your house from an out of state seller. But, it can only be C&R eligible guns. (essentially, 50 yr old firearmss) If you mean as a C&R holder can you buy as a private purchase and not log it as C&R, the general concensus is no, you must log all firearms into your C&R logbook regardless of how you purchase them. What about C&R eligible firearms that were purchased PRIOR to obtaining a C&R FFL? Would such a firearm need to be logged for receipt even though the receipt of the firearm was prior to obtaining a C&R? It makes sense that one would need to log such a firearm after disposing of it, but the receipt question is driving me nuts. F'ing ATF always making things so complicated.

You must only log C&R activities you do "while licenced" if you did it before you were licenced it doesn't have to be in the book.

If you dispose of a C&R gun you got before you were licenced, and now you are licenced you log it in from yourself and out to whoever you sell it to.

Makes sense in an odd kind of way

Another stupid C&R question.

Since someone with a C&R FFL is the holder of an FFL, will a C&R holder be able to ship/receive C&R-eligible weapons to/from another C&R holder across state lines?

Looks like things have changed a little.
I've updated above to show where to get the forms.
Now they appear to need you to order it from them via phone or web request (no cost for them to send to you, apparently)
It also seems they need fingerprints, now.
I'm checking on that.

bad info on ATF site... disregard.

I just got my C&R a few weeks ago, and I did not submit fingerprints.

The regs may have changed very recently ...