Very cool!

I've been following this thread, interesting.

To the op:

What does mostly paper punching mean??? Tiny bugholes or nra targets? Shooting flies @ 50yds?

Why do you think that anschutz will do any better than your kidd 10-22???

What do you expect out of that anschutz 1" groups @100yds??

Have you contacted them and asked what chamber those rifles have in them???

Not sure how much you know about anschutz's but their sporter rifles traditionally have sporter chambers (18mm). If the receiver isn't marked "match" that a clue. You are looking at rifles in the sporter/hunter section of that website. The 2 rifles your looking at seem to to have started life as a 1416 hb and have a different stock an an upgraded trigger added. Along with a cut down bbl for 1 of them.

Mike_nds, If you're lloking for a fs take your time and find an older one. A 1958 anschutz fs.



The older anschutz fs's has a 2 piece stock hence the black line in the forend is where they meet. The older rifles will be lighter/more streamlined than the newer 1418's.

From what I've read on their website they order the bbl'd receivers already put together, headspaced, yada-yada-yada.

.5" 1/2" @ 100yds??? Good luck with a 64 action. You'll need a factory rifle with 1 heck of a aftermarket bbl installed on it or a full blown custom rifle.

You're going to find that the only ones getting consistent 1/2" 10-shot groups @100yds are the ones with the well worn keyboards.

At the end of the day, the 64 actions are anschutz's base model/line for their rifles. They use them on their cheap hunting rifles and their match rifles for beginners/youth's. If someone could be competitive with a 64 actioned anschutz. Then why are they spending 3 times as much for anschutz's 54 actioned counterparts??? Because that's what it take to be competitive.

You should call Steve and ask him what chamber is in those rifles your looking at. Why all the questions about the chamber???

Because "HUNTING" rifles use "HUNTING" bullets and "HUNTING" bullets are typically longer (oal) than their match bullet counterparts. And guess what!!! THe cheaper grades of match ammo are longer (oal) then the better grades of match ammo.

That's why you keep hearing people say get wolk or sk+ it does excellent in this rifle or that bbl. It's because the bullets are longer and fit in the semi-match chambers better. Some people shoot highpowers with the bullet 10/1000th's of the lands. Others have the bullet 10/1000th's+ in the lands. They found that 22lrs do extremely well with the bullet 30/1000th's in the lands. You can use a .223" compareator and measure the oal of the different 22lr ammo, it's a real eye opener.



A chart showing the different chambers and the different chamber lengths/sizes.



Allot of european mfg's use a 18mm chamber in their sporting rifles. Other opt for the shorter 17mm chambers (17mm ='s .670") & 18mm chambers (.708").

As you can see the match chambers start with the lilja reamer/chamber. I use that reamer allot on sporter/hunting rifle bbl's. That chamber does extremely well with the cheaper/longer low grade match ammo.

Most of the best in the business shoot 10x, actually the eps nosed 10x. They have a chamber reamer specifically for that cartridge. As you can see it's allot shorter than the 18mm/17mm chambers.

Anyway that's why soooooo many people do well with the low grade wolf or sp+ in their bbl's. That ammo's oal matches the chambers better in the semi-match chambers in some hunting/bolt actioned rifles or the bentz chambers in the semi-auto's.

Consistent ignition
Strong receiver
tight chamber
quality stock that pillar bedded

You're looking at a rifle that has the smaller weaker bolt, a lighter/weaker receiver, has a hunting chamber with a stock that needs bedded with a hole in the receiver for a mag that makes the receiver even weaker.

If you do get 1 of the rifles you were asking about, take it easy and try to get consistent 1" groups at 100yds with it 1st. When you're able to do that don't bother trying to get 1/2" groups. Just go to the nationals at camp perry. Because if you can consistently hitting 1" targets @100yds (x-ring) you'll win the nationals.

Ok, great detailed write up. Thanks.

But the question remains, are the "sporter" rifles worth the money? Buy an alternative? Save for the match chamber?

To me, no they are not worth the $$$.

It's all about the bbl:
Top of the line br bbl's like the shilen's ratchet select blanks can be had for around $400.

From there the rest really doesn't matter. You can take a stock savage ($200) and get a good aftermarket stock ($130) and a trigger kit for ($20) and put that shilen bbl in it and give that anschutz all it can handle. I've seen people getting their savage triggers down into the 6oz to 10oz range. A little bolt work (polishing & new spring) and bed the stock and look out.

Typical bbl work like taking a blank and fitting it to a receiver, cutting the chamber and threading the end of the bbl runs around $150/$200.

So for less than $1000 you could have a rifle that will have a a bbl with a chambers specific for your ammo/shooting needs along with a length that you want. A custom stock made for your length of pull & cheek weld and will easily rival that anschutz while leaving $800 laying around for glass.

Just another opinion.

My 1969 vintage Model 64.

It was a former Brit club gun.

If you don't mind a CZ action the VPT is a heck of a deal, I know the lilja barrels are a popular addition.

Still can't make up my mind on a match bolt action 22. The hunt continues.

Well, that just means you need a Bleiker.

Anyone reading. Don't google those prices...

You probable think I was joking about a $400 bbl on a $200 rifle.

Well spedd $1800+ on that annie sporter and see if it can keep up with the rifle in post #198 (last page).

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241110

Like I already said, It's all about the bbl & chamber. The rest is window dressing.

No, I didn't think you were joking. I'm considering a CZ455 with re-barrel. But I was hoping for more of a turn-key solution.

$850ish on Buds. How's she shoot?

ETA: Who's the go-to for a Lilja re-barrel?

I bought a 1907 action earlier this year and took an old Anschutz Running Boar wood stock and modified it to meet the rules of the game I shoot.

It is excellent for off hand shooting but I don't think that Anschutz is the best choice for benchrest. I don't shoot benchrest but I don't see an Annies on the equipment list for benchrest winners.

The new 54.30 action is threaded and costs a ton.

OP

Check out this guy on RFC (or the hide).

He seems to have accurizing the 455 down (although you won't be able to swap out barrels afterward)

link



I have a 455 (use it as a 17hmr but have a spare 22lr barrel I have never shot ). It is out right now getting a new stock inletted for it but afterward I will have DJ smooth up the action.


If I have one gripe with the CZ 455 - it would have to be the safety - Layout just suck to me.  but other than that it is a solid design

Sako Quad Range? Drop in Lilja barrels available.

Action is sweet - always have wanted one - price difference between it and and Annie?

I think bang for your buck you would be better off either with the CZ all decked out or the Annie.

Having said that one day I will own a Sako quad.  Short Bolt throw as well switch barrel capability

Too bad I didn't pick one back up in ~2006 or when they were blowing them out for ~500.00 with 4 barrels




My holy grail rimfire is a Annie 1727 (~3,500)

I came.





 

$1,500 OTD with std barrel. $350 for Lilja drop in whic I assume would have a match chamber?

Plus .17HMR option? Sweet.

I can't comment on the accuracy of my rifle as I haven't taken the time to shoot a variety of ammo through it.  I've been meaning to sit down and do a thorough test as I usually just go to the range and plink steel at 100.  I plan on getting it bedded at some point so I'd like a baseline before I have it worked on.

Cooper 57-M?

And I'm considering a Anschutz 54 Match Action.

Anschutz 1710 AV, threaded 18" medium barrel, GRS Hybrid Stock, epoxy bedded. $2700ish.

Is this the one?

My 455 is getting inletted for a stock similar to the GRS stock. That stock is amazing.

The set up you are talking about should be amazing. Your GRS stock runs around 600.00 so the extra work and rifle is going to cost you 2100.00

Having said that I bet it shoots and handles like a dream. Ozzy reviews has a pretty good video on the 1710 action.  Looks like a winner

When you get into the + 2,000.00 area there are so many cool options

Stiller
Modified 40x repeater
Winchester 52
Annie's

If you are considering that coin I would recommend looking at all of those

Alright, time to make a decision:

CZ455 American Suppressor Ready, Lilja Rebarrel, KRG X-Ray 180 stock.

For $1,400 I get a match chamber in a bedded adjustable stock. Seems like a win.

I can probably sell the CZ barrel on the EE for $100ish and maybe the stock.

(99% sure anyway.)

ETA:The Annie is awesome, it just pushes my budget too far. Plus I want excellent glass.

This has to be the best thread I've read on this site in a long time - useful, accurate, devoid of 9mm/.45 hyperbole. Keep it up!

CZ455 ordered.

nice! Can't wait to see how it shoots!