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Posted: 2/2/2016 9:52:39 PM EDT
A friend of mine has one we are trying to 'sort out".
Serial number is 411XXX with an A under it. Round barrel. However..it doesn't have the furniture of a 62A..it has the furniture of an 1890 Octagon barrel rifle.  This is the best pic I have right now. It's not marked as to what it shoots, short, long or long rifle and it doesn't have the gallery gun "hole" in the mag tube. Any idea's? Garden variety model 62A that someone swapped older furniture on? |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:17:41 PM EDT
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A friend of mine has one we are trying to 'sort out". Serial number is 411XXX with an A under it. Round barrel. However..it doesn't have the furniture of a 62A..it has the furniture of an 1890 Octagon barrel rifle. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=85035 This is the best pic I have right now. It's not marked as to what it shoots, short, long or long rifle and it doesn't have the gallery gun "hole" in the mag tube. Any idea's? Garden variety model 62A that someone swapped older furniture on? Damn, that looks like a 1906 "corncob"....Same number of grooves and all. My 1906. 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 4:53:00 AM EDT
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If you're looking for parts, there's a fella who goes to the Tulsa show that has all the parts. Sometimes he even has receivers.
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Posted: 2/3/2016 9:14:12 AM EDT
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At first glance it appears to be a mix of parts as the barrel looks like an 1890 barrel. Do the two halves have the same serial number? May even be someone used a barrel and slide handle from an older gun in a rebuild more pics of markings and details would help
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At first glance it appears to be a mix of parts as the barrel looks like an 1890 barrel. Do the two halves have the same serial number? May even be someone used a barrel and slide handle from an older gun in a rebuild more pics of markings and details would help |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 11:17:44 AM EDT
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Here are some more pics. We have discovered a bit more. it is a gallery gun..it won't chamber anything but 22 shorts. There are no markings at all on the barrel.       |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:53:52 PM EDT
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Well, that would explain the missing elevator.
 Nice gat. I'd love to have an antique one - and the action is long enough to convert to .17" HMR... 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 8:36:44 AM EDT
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Well, that would explain the missing elevator. Nice gat. I'd love to have an antique one - and the action is long enough to convert to .17" HMR... Bad idea! The older Winchesters were made long before the time of "Hi-Speed" ammo....even shorts. Many develop hairline cracks at the wrist from a diet of HV. Fed standard vel. ammo in the old Winchesters and they (and you) will be happy.. 
If memory serves .22 actions/stocks were not beefed-up to handle HV ammo till the 40s. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:47:45 PM EDT
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Bad idea! The older Winchesters were made long before the time of "Hi-Speed" ammo....even shorts. Many develop hairline cracks at the wrist from a diet of HV. Fed standard vel. ammo in the old Winchesters and they (and you) will be happy..
If memory serves .22 actions/stocks were not beefed-up to handle HV ammo till the 40s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Well, that would explain the missing elevator. Nice gat. I'd love to have an antique one - and the action is long enough to convert to .17" HMR... Bad idea! The older Winchesters were made long before the time of "Hi-Speed" ammo....even shorts. Many develop hairline cracks at the wrist from a diet of HV. Fed standard vel. ammo in the old Winchesters and they (and you) will be happy..
If memory serves .22 actions/stocks were not beefed-up to handle HV ammo till the 40s. So you're saying I'd need to build a Lego stock for it if I converted one to .17" HMR?
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:50:45 PM EDT
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So you're saying I'd need to build a Lego stock for it if I converted one to .17" HMR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Well, that would explain the missing elevator. Nice gat. I'd love to have an antique one - and the action is long enough to convert to .17" HMR... Bad idea! The older Winchesters were made long before the time of "Hi-Speed" ammo....even shorts. Many develop hairline cracks at the wrist from a diet of HV. Fed standard vel. ammo in the old Winchesters and they (and you) will be happy..
If memory serves .22 actions/stocks were not beefed-up to handle HV ammo till the 40s. So you're saying I'd need to build a Lego stock for it if I converted one to .17" HMR? You will need a new receiver. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 2:49:04 PM EDT
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You will need a new receiver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Well, that would explain the missing elevator. Nice gat. I'd love to have an antique one - and the action is long enough to convert to .17" HMR... Bad idea! The older Winchesters were made long before the time of "Hi-Speed" ammo....even shorts. Many develop hairline cracks at the wrist from a diet of HV. Fed standard vel. ammo in the old Winchesters and they (and you) will be happy..
If memory serves .22 actions/stocks were not beefed-up to handle HV ammo till the 40s. So you're saying I'd need to build a Lego stock for it if I converted one to .17" HMR? You will need a new receiver. Rats. Even in the .22" WRF receivers? Ran into a fella w/ all kinds of parts @ Tulsa years ago, and his kids were bugging him to build a .22" WMR or a .17" HMR, don't remember which. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 3:10:12 PM EDT
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Rats. Even in the .22" WRF receivers? Ran into a fella w/ all kinds of parts @ Tulsa years ago, and his kids were bugging him to build a .22" WMR or a .17" HMR, don't remember which. I mean new as in something made out of modern, correctly heat treated steel. The .22 WRF is only about as powerful as a high velocity .22 LR. The .22 WMR and .17 HMR are MUCH more powerful. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 3:55:53 PM EDT
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I mean new as in something made out of modern, correctly heat treated steel. The .22 WRF is only about as powerful as a high velocity .22 LR. The .22 WMR and .17 HMR are MUCH more powerful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rats. Even in the .22" WRF receivers? Ran into a fella w/ all kinds of parts @ Tulsa years ago, and his kids were bugging him to build a .22" WMR or a .17" HMR, don't remember which. I mean new as in something made out of modern, correctly heat treated steel. The .22 WRF is only about as powerful as a high velocity .22 LR. The .22 WMR and .17 HMR are MUCH more powerful. Yeah, rats. Always wanted a pump-action antique .17" HMR. Hmm. Maybe if I luck into an antique receiver that is already cracked, and needs some reinforcement welded to it.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:39:56 PM EDT
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stop hijacking my thread you two.
Any idea what dollar value one of these old girls has on it? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:01:31 PM EDT
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stop hijacking my thread you two.
Any idea what dollar value one of these old girls has on it?
I don't know for sure. A Winchester collector might be interested in it, so maybe $4-500? ETA: That's US dollars... |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 5:11:29 PM EDT
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If it's a pre-1899, would have a bit more value in the US b/c of antique status. It's it's pre-1898, I believe it's an antique under Canadian law as well. If you can ship antiques across the 49th parallel, you might get a bit more money for it down here on Gun Broker, et al.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:46:25 PM EDT
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Tks for the info. the owner researched the serial number and came up with 1914. I came up with 1940's...
are there any accurate websites out there for running the serial number? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 7:30:58 PM EDT
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Tks for the info. the owner researched the serial number and came up with 1914. I came up with 1940's... are there any accurate websites out there for running the serial number? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tks for the info. the owner researched the serial number and came up with 1914. I came up with 1940's... are there any accurate websites out there for running the serial number? http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm Quoted:
stop hijacking my thread It can never be stated enough to use only standard velocity ammo in these old guns. Most buyers of old pumps don't have a clue about that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 10:02:29 PM EDT
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Well according to that site..it isn't a model 62A..it is a 1906....
Found one on gun broker and the seller states that they switched to round barrels after their supply of octagon ones ran out. However this one has no roll marks on the barrel at all.. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:19:36 AM EDT
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Well according to that site..it isn't a model 62A..it is a 1906.... Found one on gun broker and the seller states that they switched to round barrels after their supply of octagon ones ran out. However this one has no roll marks on the barrel at all.. That was what I was thinking as it definitely has a '06 corncob and your serial (if six-digits) was way too high for a 62 of any flavor. It could have went back to Winchester and a replacement barrel could have been installed or it could have been installed by a Smith. Comparing your rifle's receiver to my '06 I suspect that is what it is. 1914-15 Frankenchester.
BTW....There is something very weird going on with your mag tube where it meets the receiver. Compare it to my "62 and '06. M1906 top....M62 bottom: 
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:19:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tks for the info. the owner researched the serial number and came up with 1914. I came up with 1940's...
are there any accurate websites out there for running the serial number? You could get a factory letter from the Winchester/Cody Museum (Wyoming, I think). Given it's not antique, might not be worth it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:08:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW....There is something very weird going on with your mag tube where it meets the receiver. Compare it to my "62 and '06. M1906 top....M62 bottom: http://oi63.tinypic.com/313j29j.jpg |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:09:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could get a factory letter from the Winchester/Cody Museum (Wyoming, I think). Given it's not antique, might not be worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tks for the info. the owner researched the serial number and came up with 1914. I came up with 1940's... are there any accurate websites out there for running the serial number? You could get a factory letter from the Winchester/Cody Museum (Wyoming, I think). Given it's not antique, might not be worth it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:44:54 AM EDT
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the threads showing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BTW....There is something very weird going on with your mag tube where it meets the receiver. Compare it to my "62 and '06. M1906 top....M62 bottom: http://oi63.tinypic.com/313j29j.jpg Yep. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:58:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the threads showing? Yep. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 12:11:08 PM EDT
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We are assuming it is a gallery gun as it won't chamber long rifle..is it possible someone swapped mag tubes and didn't turn it in all the way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the threads showing? Yep. Can't really say without seeing if the steel mag-tube follower fits flush with the inside front of the receiver. I don't think there is much if any difference between the '09 and 62 receiver length where the tube screws-in. As it's Frankenchester the mag-tube could just be cross-threaded or something. What is the length of the mag-tube? A '09 and M62's is around 18" counting the inner tube knob measured from the knob to the front of the receiver.. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 1:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't really say without seeing if the steel mag-tube follower fits flush with the inside front of the receiver. I don't think there is much if any difference between the '09 and 62 receiver length where the tube screws-in. As it's Frankenchester the mag-tube could just be cross-threaded or something. What is the length of the mag-tube? A '09 and M62's is around 18" counting the inner tube knob measured from the knob to the front of the receiver.. I'll get a measurement today. |
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