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Posted: 4/27/2013 11:43:45 PM

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I have found a few options (below) but want to go with something that will allow me to leave a scope mounted (3-9x) and still use the iron sights.

1. Tech-SIGHTS Precision Shooting Accessories they have a rail mounting version rear iron sight you can attach to the rail of your choice (granted it's not taller than normal).

2. NoDak Spud NDS-22 receivers NDS-26 one piece rail rear iron sight.

3. TRUE SHOT TECHNOLOGIES RUGER 1022 similar to NoDak Spud also offered in silver color.

The True Shot site has a see through option that may fit the bill.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance
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Posted: 4/28/2013 1:36:47 AM
Spend the money on the take down model or the SR22
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Posted: 4/28/2013 5:11:28 AM
Having seen all 3, the NDS are the nicest IMO. And what I selected for my offhand iron sight 10/22.

However I am not a fan of iron sights combined with a scope w/ magnification. They can't cowitness as in use the same line of sight, so one or the other is the wrong height relative to the stock (comb). Often, both are wrong.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 7:19:06 AM
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Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
Having seen all 3, the NDS are the nicest IMO. And what I selected for my offhand iron sight 10/22.

However I am not a fan of iron sights combined with a scope w/ magnification. They can't cowitness as in use the same line of sight, so one or the other is the wrong height relative to the stock (comb). Often, both are wrong.


The importance of a cowitness, good point, may be less of an issue here if I am able to find a see through set of irons that will work with a mounted scope. I am a bit concerned about the height of the scope that is mounted with a set of see throughs - if it is too high it is not as useful obviously.

I am not looking to buy another riffle so a take down is not a good choice at this point. Trying to make this tactical model meet my needs - may not be possible in the end...

I should have added in the OP that I was interested in having both irons and a scope as I was thinking it would make a better platform for teaching kids on - I am sure that folks will argue that this model 10/22 was not the best base for that intended purpose.

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Posted: 4/28/2013 12:09:05 PM
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Here is another thread on this same topic with some good info for you: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_11/396945_10_22_tactical_sight_installation.html

My advice is to buy a 10/22 carbine and put NDS sights on it, and put a scope on the tactical model. That's what I did anyway. I tried some see-through scope mounts and the scope was just way too high. With those see-through mounts you end up with too much crap you're looking through to see your sights, which makes it hard to track any movement, like if you're trying to hit a squirrel that is moving around or something. And the see-through mounts will make your scope so high that you won't be able to have any cheek-weld at all when using the scope.

Here's a crappy cellphone pic of my setup:

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whats the top stock?


It's this stock: http://www.archangelmanufacturing.com/2012/09/17/archangel-ruger-1022-target-2/
I bought it off Amazon. The ergonomics are pretty good, I really love the shape and angle of the grip, but the whole thing kind of feels like cheap plastic. I guess there's a spring that keeps tension on the length-of-pull adjustment knob, and that spring makes a "ping" sound every time you fire the gun, which is annoying. I've been trying to figure out a way to get to that spring so I can do something about the noise, but I haven't figured out how.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 1:31:18 PM
For teaching kids, iron sights all the way.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 3:16:04 PM
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Originally Posted By sbr-kam:


whats the top stock?


It's this stock: http://www.archangelmanufacturing.com/2012/09/17/archangel-ruger-1022-target-2/
I bought it off Amazon. The ergonomics are pretty good, I really love the shape and angle of the grip, but the whole thing kind of feels like cheap plastic. I guess there's a spring that keeps tension on the length-of-pull adjustment knob, and that spring makes a "ping" sound every time you fire the gun, which is annoying. I've been trying to figure out a way to get to that spring so I can do something about the noise, but I haven't figured out how.


looks cool, none the less, like a predator/alien type thing.

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Posted: 4/28/2013 4:27:12 PM
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Originally Posted By indianapwns:
Originally Posted By sbr-kam:


whats the top stock?


It's this stock: http://www.archangelmanufacturing.com/2012/09/17/archangel-ruger-1022-target-2/
I bought it off Amazon. The ergonomics are pretty good, I really love the shape and angle of the grip, but the whole thing kind of feels like cheap plastic. I guess there's a spring that keeps tension on the length-of-pull adjustment knob, and that spring makes a "ping" sound every time you fire the gun, which is annoying. I've been trying to figure out a way to get to that spring so I can do something about the noise, but I haven't figured out how.


looks cool, none the less, like a predator/alien type thing.



Lol yeah, I like the more modern looking stocks. I really want a Beretta Cx4 Storm, mostly because I really like the stock, but I couldn't justify the price they want for those things. This stock for my 10/22 feels and looks similar enough that it got me over wanting the Beretta without spending nearly as much money. I've also been wanting a bullpup, either a Steyr AUG or a Tavor, but I might just buy a cheap 10/22 bullpup conversion to get over that as well.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 4:29:52 PM
Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
For teaching kids, iron sights all the way.


Yeah for teaching kids I'd go with a Liberty Training Rifle type of setup, similar to the bottom rifle in my picture above. Get good with that and then move up to a scope later.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 5:58:41 PM
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Pardon me for saying so, but only a fool would buy silver-finished sights. Savvy folks usually get black sights, black rails, and have been known to use dead black tape on the top of their barrels to cut glare. Birchwood Casey even makes Sight Black spray to cut glare on black sights.

The NDS rail-plus-iron-sight unit is only good if you have some sort of optic other than a scope, since mounting a scope that will clear the rear sight assy entails the use of 'see-through" mounts, which I consider an abomination on account of the chin weld needed to use them.

In my 10-22, on account of my eyes, I used a Scout-style forward rail and optic, as well as the Tech-Sights rear sight. Works for me, and no chin weld needed in either case. YMMV.
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Posted: 4/28/2013 6:12:07 PM
Originally Posted By indianapwns:
Originally Posted By sbr-kam:


whats the top stock?


It's this stock: http://www.archangelmanufacturing.com/2012/09/17/archangel-ruger-1022-target-2/
I bought it off Amazon. The ergonomics are pretty good, I really love the shape and angle of the grip, but the whole thing kind of feels like cheap plastic. I guess there's a spring that keeps tension on the length-of-pull adjustment knob, and that spring makes a "ping" sound every time you fire the gun, which is annoying. I've been trying to figure out a way to get to that spring so I can do something about the noise, but I haven't figured out how.


Try some tight-fitting rubber or plastic tubing around the spring, or even some heat-shrink tubing. Just make sure the length of tubing is not so long as to interfere with the functioning of the spring; IOW, the tubing is not so long as to bind up the mechanism. Should be easy enough to do.

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Posted: 4/28/2013 6:30:11 PM
I was in the same situation and to tell you the truth I still have not figured out a solution.

I went with the NDS front and rear and love them. However, I still would like to use a QD scope with them. I do not want to put down money on a mount and scope if it will not clear my rears.

This below image is NOT mine (Tapco.. ugh) but the irons/scope settup is something I was thinking about. I do not NEED to see my irons/scope at the same time, which gives me some flexibility but I still would like to know if a scope/mount settup will work.

I really like the Burris PEPR. Does anybody know if that will work and clear the rear with some of the 1-4x24 settups?