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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:52:30 PM
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I just recently purchased a Umarex HK MP5 A5 for $499.99 ($526.99 including tax and the $2 fee to the VA State Police).


Technical Data
Caliber .22 L. R. HV
Action Blowback
Trigger Single Stage Trigger
Trigger Pull 6.5 - 8.4 lbs
Magazine Capacity 25 Rounds
Dimensions (L/H/W) 26.8-33.8 / 8.5 / 2.2 inch
Barrel Length 16.1 inch
Sight Radius 13.2 inch
Diameter of Rear Sight Aperture 0.24 / 0.13 / 0.11 / 0.1 inch
Front Sight Width 0.07 inch
Weight w/out Magazine 5.9 lbs
Magazine Weight 2.5 ounce


My initial impression of the Umarex HK MP5 A5 is that it appears to be a well constructed rifle. The ambidextrous safety is very easy to manipulate using my thumb without removing my hand from the grip. The stock is well textured and allows the rifle to be shouldered securely. One aspect of the stock that I found disappointing is that the stock only had two positions: fully extended and full retracted. I find the collapsible stock to be a little shorter that I would prefer. A fixed stock is available for purchase separately. I have been looking online but have yet to find measurements for the fixed stock to see if it would be a better solution for shooters that would like a longer stock.

Included with the rifle, you get (1) 25 round magazine, (2) allen wrenches, (1) specialty wrench, and (1) extra front sight blade. I was disappointed that the rifle only came with a single magazine. The magazine is very easy to load. The design allows you to compress the spring with one hand while loading rounds into the magazine with the other hand.


Early production models came with a foam lined, plastic carry case. However, they have stopped including the carry case. Currently the rifle comes in a simple cardboard box as seen in the pictures below.




The safety is ambidextrous.


Close up of the Handguard


Close up with the handguard removed. Handguard slides into place on the upper half of the receiver and is secured in place by a single pin.


The collapsible buttstock has only 2 positions, fully extended and fully retracted, and is manipulated with a lever on the bottom of the stock. It slides onto the back on the upper and lower receivers, holding the two halves together, and is then secured with a single pin.

Here is the rifle field stripped. According to page 20 of the manual "NOTE: Further disassembly is not necessary or recommended and will void your warranty. Field stripping consists of: 1) Inserting empty mag and pulling charging handle to its rear most position; 2) Removing mag ; 3) Removing rear receiver pin; 4)Slide off the buttstock; 5) Pivot upper receiver forward.






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The hex screw visible in this picture is used to adjust the bolt speed. For high velocity ammunition, you turn the screw clockwise with the included allen wrench to increase bolt speed. The manual says to no turn the bold more than 9 turns clockwise. For stardard ammunition, turn the screw counter clockwise. According the manual: "The screwhead must never rise above 'flush' with the surrounding surface".

The rear sight had 4 apertures in different diameters. The sight drum is turned to ajust elevation. Clockwise lowers the point of impact, and counter clockwise raises the point of impact. The windage is adjusted by a screw on the right side of the sight. Before adjusting the windage, you must loosen a set screw on the top of the sight.


This is the front of the compensator. It is removed using the included wrench. To reinstall, the manual says to hand tighten and then use the included wrench to give the compensator a 1/4 turn.


The rifle comes with (1) 25 round magazine. There is also a 10 round magazine included.


The are the included tools and an extra front sight.



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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:53:09 PM
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Range Report

In preparation for taking the rifle to the range, I bore sighted the rifle using a Centerpoint laser bore sighting kit. After running approx. 200 rds of Federal bulk .22s, to break in the barrel, I will be testing the rifle with 5 types of ammunition:
  1. Federal Value Pack in the 550 round box
  2. Federal Auto Match in the 325 round box
  3. Remington 22 Golden Bullet in the 550 round box
  4. Winchester Super X in the 100 round box
  5. CCI Mini Mag in the 100 round box



The range I used is The Smoking Gun in Colonial Heights, VA. It is a 15 yd. indoor range.




The ammunition was tested in the order listed. I allowed the rifle to rest between the Federal Auto Match and the Remington 22 Golden Bullet while shooting 50 rounds PMC .40 through a S&W Sigma and again between Winchester Super X and CCI Mini Mag while running 50 rounds of .45 Long Colt made by a company called Georgia Arms in a Ruger Vaquero.


Federal / Value Pack / 36gr Copper Plated Hollow Points / 1260fps @ muzzle
100 rounds with no issues


Federal / Auto Match / 40gr Solid / 1200fps @ muzzle
100 rounds with no issues


Remington / 22 Golden Bullet / 36gr Copper Plated Hollow Points / 1280fps @ muzzle
100 rounds with no issues


Winchester / Super X / 37gr Copper Plated Hollow Points / 1330fps @ muzzle
Out of 100 rounds, 4 failed to fire. The failures were the 1st and 2nd round of the first magazine and the 4th and 5th round of the 3rd magazine. There are visible marks on the the rim of the case showing the firing pin struck the cases, but I did not have a second .22lr caliber firearm to test the failures.



CCI / Mini-Mag / 36gr Copper Plated Hollow Points / 1260fps @ muzzle
Out of 100 rounds, 1 failed to feed. The failure was the 3rd round of the 1st magazine. From the appearance of the round, the trip bit into the edge of the barrel and cause the round to bend.





I ran around 700 rounds through the rifle today while at the range. Before starting the 100 round test on each of the 5 types of ammunition, I ran 200 rounds of Federal Bulk Pack to be sure that the rifle was properly broken in before testing.

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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:53:22 PM
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Post Range Cleaning

Cleaning the rifle is and isn't simple. To clarify on this thought, the rifle is very easy to field strip. Insert the empty magazine and pull the charging handle to its rear most position to lock the bolt back. After inspecting to be sure that the rifle is unloaded, remove the magazine. Remove the pin on the rear of the receiver and slide the stock off and allow the upper receiver to hinge forward. The front pin on the receiver can then be removed to allow seperation of the upper and lower receivers. Thus the field stripping process is very easy, it is still hard to get to a lot of areas of the firearm. Due to this, spray cleaners and compressed air will be your best route for a thorough cleaning.

For the lower receiver, I sprayed it down liberally with Breakfree CLP and then wiped it down with a paper towel. I cleaned the barrel using a Winchester rifle cleaning kit I picked up at Wal-Mart. I only needed two sections of the three piece cleaning rod. I sprayed the CLP down the barrel while holding it at a slight angle until the CLP began running out of the action. I went down the barrel 3 or 4 times using a brass brush tip. However I ran into trouble when I tried to run patches down the barrel. I was unable to get the 2" x 2" patches to go down the barrel. Instead of running patches, I decided to use the wool blend mop tips. These worked without issue on the rifle. For the chamber, I simply sprayed the area heavily with CLP then used an old toothbrush to scrub the area. After scrubbing, I wiped the area clean with another paper towel. Finally, I took the upper receiver and held it over the sink while I emptied the rest of my bottle of CLP into the chamber and around the bolt while holding the rifle barrel straight up.







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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:53:42 PM
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Mods and Accessories


Converting to SBR (thanks to firecop45acp)

The 9" Umarex 416 pistol barrel is a direct replacement for the MP5 barrel. The barrel cost around $120.


Low Profile Picatinny Rail

UTG #P669 - UTG New Gen Low Profile Bi-Directional Claw Mount can be purchased from Aim Surplus for $19.95.

The rail was a bit difficult to install at first. I removed the lower receiver and used clamps to hold the claws in position while I tightened the four screws.



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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:55:19 PM
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Links to Other HK MP5 .22lr Threads:

SBR'ing an HK MP5 .22 Armory - Short Barrel Rifles (SBR)
HK MP5 .22LR SBR Work Industry - ADCO Firearms
HK MP5 22LR vs GSG MP5 22 Clone Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
Umarex MP5 SD 22lr fte issues Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
h&k mp5 22 mags Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
umarex MP522 Armory - Heckler & Koch
Umarex HK-SP-89/MP-5K pistol?? Armory- 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
SBR'ing an HK MP5 .22 Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
? about SBR HK MP5-22 Armory- Heckler & Koch
HK MP5-22 RIFLE MODS Armory- Heckler & Koch
HK .22 MP5 or GSG .22 Sport? Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
Vid comparison: Sig 522 vs. HK MP5 SD Armory - 10/22 and 22 Caliber Rifles
Umarex MP5 .22 Magazines Armory- Heckler & Koch



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Posted: 9/28/2011 5:20:04 PM
cant wait to see it more in depth review. Im seriously considering adding one of these to my lineup as a fun toy plinker.
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Can't wait to see the rest, there are not a whole lot of reviews on these mainly because Carl Walther the manufacture is just so damn slow with production. I was supposed to receive mine about about a month ago, but the first one the men in brown managed to break in about 3 pieces along the way. From what the dealer told me when he received it, there were clear tread marks on the box from where it appeared to have been run over more than once. So they sent that one back, and I received my new one last weekend. From my first impressions the rifle is very well made especially when compared to the GSG. It actually seems heavy compared to its given size, compared to an actual MP5 in 9mm they seem to be about the same weight. I took mine to the range last weekend and put about 500rds of Federal 36gr HP HVs though it, it performed flawlessly, not even one hiccup, which is more than I can say for some of my friends GSGs. The GSGs usually work after a while but they take a little tweeking to get running well. Which if I am going to pay close to $500 for something I expect it to work great right away, not require tweeking IMO. I think the take down with the pins is a very good system compared to the multiple screws of the GSGs.

According to my dealer there have been three price increases since the original production date. I ordered mine as soon as I found out they were coming out and it took this long. Due to the quality compared to the GSG my dealer immediately put an order in for three more, another dealer that I frequent also ordered one for himself after seeing it. I paid $485+tax for mine out the door, although I am a very good customer of my particular dealer so I probably get as close to wholesale prices as they give and still make some money. I saw what the rifle cost the dealer, and they normally only charge me between 5-8% above cost, they have a business to run and I understand they have to make money too. So even $499 is a good deal IMO.
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Posted: 9/28/2011 10:54:25 PM

Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023:
Can't wait to see the rest, there are not a whole lot of reviews on these mainly because Carl Walther the manufacture is just so damn slow with production. I was supposed to receive mine about about a month ago, but the first one the men in brown managed to break in about 3 pieces along the way. From what the dealer told me when he received it, there were clear tread marks on the box from where it appeared to have been run over more than once. So they sent that one back, and I received my new one last weekend. From my first impressions the rifle is very well made especially when compared to the GSG. It actually seems heavy compared to its given size, compared to an actual MP5 in 9mm they seem to be about the same weight. I took mine to the range last weekend and put about 500rds of Federal 36gr HP HVs though it, it performed flawlessly, not even one hiccup, which is more than I can say for some of my friends GSGs. The GSGs usually work after a while but they take a little tweeking to get running well. Which if I am going to pay close to $500 for something I expect it to work great right away, not require tweeking IMO. I think the take down with the pins is a very good system compared to the multiple screws of the GSGs.

According to my dealer there have been three price increases since the original production date. I ordered mine as soon as I found out they were coming out and it took this long. Due to the quality compared to the GSG my dealer immediately put an order in for three more, another dealer that I frequent also ordered one for himself after seeing it. I paid $485+tax for mine out the door, although I am a very good customer of my particular dealer so I probably get as close to wholesale prices as they give and still make some money. I saw what the rifle cost the dealer, and they normally only charge me between 5-8% above cost, they have a business to run and I understand they have to make money too. So even $499 is a good deal IMO.
As far as the weight difference between the Umarex HK MP5 and the GSG-5, I have seen other threads online that attribute the weight difference to the Umarex rifle having more metal parts than the GSG-5. However, I have only handled GSG-5s at gun shows and have not had an opportunity to to take one apart to compare it against the Umarex product.

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Posted: 9/29/2011 12:26:42 PM
Thanks for going through the trouble to begin to put this review together.

That bolt adjustment for speed is awesome! Go ahead...talk me outta getting a GSG lol
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Also on a side note these guns are not made by Umerex they are the importer, just like ATI imports the GSG firearms. Umerex does make airsoft, and have the ability to import firearms as they are for other firearms. Carl Walther is the manufacture under license of HK. The reason this is obvious is because of the low production numbers which sadly to say Carl Walther is famous for, being very slow to produce stuff, even when in great demand. If Umerex did make them there would be many more in peoples hands than there are. So hopefully in the future people will start stating the Carl Wather gun and not the Umerex gun.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 1:27:50 AM
How's the trigger? Can you measure the trigger pull weight?
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I found the trigger to be smooth and crisp, but don't have the weight of pull.
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Originally Posted By kmb147:
How's the trigger? Can you measure the trigger pull weight?

The trigger felt very smooth when I took it to the range yesterday. I don't currently have a scale to measure the pull, but the factory spec sheet listed the trigger pull as between 6.5 to 8.4 lbs.
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I handled one of these at a local gun show last weekend. It was very tempting. I think it would be a fun plinker.
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Thanks for the in depth review. Has anyone tried mounting the Primary Arms GSG5 scope mount to one of these? I assume it will fit fine, but what to double check before I spend money on it.
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Posted: 10/3/2011 11:17:22 PM

Originally Posted By AR_Shorty:
I handled one of these at a local gun show last weekend. It was very tempting. I think it would be a fun plinker.

It was a blast to shoot. The only real issue I ran into was with my hearing protection. With the sliding stock, it was really pushing on my muffs. Once I switched over to ear plugs, the issue was gone. I'm hoping to order the fixed stock in the next couple of weeks and possibly the scope mount (though I might have to wait a month on the mount depending on budget since I have a new generator being shipped later this month). I am also eyeing a couple other types of .22 ammo I'd like to pick up to run through the rifle.
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I recently had a chance to run some rounds through one of these as well. It feels and handles like the MP5's I used while overseas. The trigger seems to be about the same feeling as well. It was 100% reliable with every type of ammo I tried, subsonic, bulk as well as quality stuff. The magazines worked well but the rounds would sometimes get off center and protrude out the windows in the side.

The one I shot was the SD version. And as I said it felt the same with the weights being very, very close if my memory serves me well.

There were a few things I did not like. One thing I didn't like was the rear sight. It was loose even when tightened down. It doesn't move enough to change the point of aim but it did move some, almost like a rattle.
I also do not like the barrel setup. I was discussing the possibility of threading it with the owner. He said to unscrew the shroud and take a look. The barrel is literally pencil thin at .309". There is a small shround over the barrel that is .468" then the faux suppressor over that. As you tighten the shroud it tensions the barrel and provides decent accuracy.

I think even if you could put an larger extension on the barrel and thread it the barrel is so thing it would droop dramatically, especially with any suppressor.

When he was asking about what to do I told him if it were my gun and I absolutely had to have a suppressor I would machine the barrel block where the barrel is held for a larger shank and use a larger diameter barrel. Drill and thread it for a larger barrel then thread it for the suppressor. Not sure if that would work as I haven;t disassembled the gun more than take the faux suppressor off.

Overall I really like it and it is much better than the GSG versions.

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Posted: 10/19/2011 6:43:36 PM
wow I feel like I got a steal, I picked mine up from buds for $425 out the door brand new

mine has ran flawless as well, good throw on the saftey. I ran about 500 rounds of 3 year old bulk pack, new bulk pack, golden bullets, mini mags, stingers, federal auto match, and thunderbolts

no problems what so ever, it ate everything

now i just need more mags!!
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Awesome review!!! Great job!! Question for OP and one for anyone interested in answering:

1) Jacknife, are you happy with the results of the cleaning process you outlined in the review? The lack of further breakdown concerns me with the possibility of buildup in the hard to reach areas.

2) Torn between the SD and A5 models. I know it's personal preference but just would like to hear arguments for/against one or the other version.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted By geddyfan:
Awesome review!!! Great job!! Question for OP and one for anyone interested in answering:

1) Jacknife, are you happy with the results of the cleaning process you outlined in the review? The lack of further breakdown concerns me with the possibility of buildup in the hard to reach areas.

2) Torn between the SD and A5 models. I know it's personal preference but just would like to hear arguments for/against one or the other version.

Thanks!
1) Well it is possible to break it down further, but you risk losing the warranty. As far as the cleaning method goes, the biggest concern will be how much faster I will go through cleaner. Use the straw tip to get the spray into all the nooks and corners, then let it sit for a few. After it has had time to loosen stuff up, soak it down good till the run off looks clean.

2) I haven't gotten a chance to handle the SD model at any stores yet, but as far as functionality I see no issue between either. I have seen tri-rails available for the A5, but I am not sure if you can get them for the SD. So the model you get might impact what accessories you are able to use.

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Originally Posted By geddyfan:
2) Torn between the SD and A5 models. I know it's personal preference but just would like to hear arguments for/against one or the other version.


From what I saw when looking at the two different models, the SD weighs a little more than the A5. The forearm is also going to be larger overall on the SD due to the handguard around the 'suppressor.' Other than that, I believe they are exactly the same.

As was stated, the only other difference might be a limit on railed forearms. I know that the actual 'suppressor' screws off leaving the barrel and handguard. I don't know if the handguard can actually be removed on the SD.

Also, here's the official breakdown and cleaning video.

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Thanks OP. This is really cool.
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I am looking to order the sight rail soon for the rifle. The Umarex low profile scope mount costs $99.95 thru HKParts.net. However, I noticed that AIM Surplus has a HK Low Profile Picatinny Rail for only $19.95. This rail is listed as Low Profile Picatinny Accessory mount for most MP5 and G3 type Rifles. Includes all tools/parts needed to install. The way I see it, this is supposed to be a licensed .22lr copy of the MP5, so hopefully I can get various MP5 accessories to work with this rifle (hopefully with little to no modifications necessary). If the rail doesn't work, I'm only out about $20 since shipping isn't too big of an issue since I need a couple things from AIM Surplus anyways. Besides, if it doesn't work, it just gives me an excuse to buy another rifle that it will work on later.

As for sights, I'm am still unsure which I will try first. I am currently working on a trade with my uncle to get some sort of red dot. I have no idea of the brand or appearance of the red dot, but we both have Hi Point 995 carbines. His is pretty much stock but the previous owner removed the rear iron sight and installed a red dot. My carbine is in the ATI stock and has the full top rail, thus I am no longer using my rear iron sight.

However, I've also been looking at the SPARC and Strikefire from Vortex for my AR or possibly some sort of 1-4 or 1-6 scope. Which ever route I go, I will also try that scope with the MP5.
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Thanks for the responses. I assume ATF is OK with the Umarex shroud versus the GSG's original one?
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Originally Posted By geddyfan:
Thanks for the responses. I assume ATF is OK with the Umarex shroud versus the GSG's original one?


Yes they are okay with it there is now way to make it into a suppressor that I can see.

As buying parts for the HK MP5 22LR don't forget to check out Umarex's website under firearm accessories, they seem to a have a decent selection and fairly inexpensive, I think they want around $40 a piece for extra 25rd mags.
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