Originally Posted By charlie505: I put together a training rifle but i am having a problem sighting it in  - it shoots hi. The rear sight is all the way down and the front sight is all the way up!! I am using a .920 buttler creek carbon fiber bbl. I get great groups but about 4 inches high @ 25yds

Please describe, as precisely as possible, the type and manufacturer of sights that you are using.

Originally Posted By charlie505: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By charlie505: I put together a training rifle but i am having a problem sighting it in  - it shoots hi. The rear sight is all the way down and the front sight is all the way up!! I am using a .920 buttler creek carbon fiber bbl. I get great groups but about 4 inches high @ 25yds Please describe, as precisely as possible, the type and manufacturer of sights that you are using. I am using Tech Sights with the bull barrel adapter for the front sight. I am trying to make a Liberty Training Rifle for apple seed. I am also using a hogue stock

OK, you can try M1A4ME's suggestion, which is cetainly inexpensive and quick.  Another method would be to buy a TALLER-than-standard AR front sight post and install that.  IIRC you can get them at DPMS, Bushmaster, Brownells, and maybe Midway.  One or the other should have one.  I'd measure the one you have now to make sure you're getting a taller one.  When you install the new front sight post, put a little dab of grease on the threads so it won't rust up over time.

You could also try our NDS-23 front sight assembly. It has a huge range of adjustment, and can be installed easily on .920" barrels.



www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm

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Parts list please.

Any word on the scout mount?

I have one of hese as a trainer for my kid and another WM special for me

Unfortunately, no.  I dunno if either of the mfrs I spoke to will ever offer it.  Hope somebody offers one, though.

If by meaning the FS is off a bit to one side of the base, this is not abnomal.  Many rifles, including the M1 Garand and the M1A, require the FS to be moved in order to establish initial zero.  Of course, this is always done with the rear sight centered, so as to allow max adjustment of the rear sight in either windage direction.

If you follow the Mfr's instructions to the letter, and still have a problem, then you should contact them.  A small offset of the FS in the horizontal plane ought not to be a cause for concern, as long as everything is secure and the rifle shoots straight and is reliable.

If the aftermarket FS is loose, then shim it with some metal (ask for shim stock at a REAL hardware store, or use beer can metal,sanded-down if needed), or, after match-marking the sight and base, epoxy the unit.  DO NOT attempt to re-cut the mating surfaces unless you own a milling machine.

These sights are an attempt to fit millions of 10-22s, and some manufacturing variance has to be expected both on the part of Ruger and the aftermarket vendor.  Keep in mind that the OEM Ruger barrel probably had the front sight and rear sight mounted in conjunction, since they were both barrel mounted.  By mounting a rear sight on the receiver, any initial manufacturing errors will appear.  

You might have to play with the Tech sights a bit, if you are one of the few unlucky people, but I suggest that you do so, as the Tech sights are a great improvement over the OEM Ruger sights.

Disclaimer: no financial interest in either company.

Good work, Will!  Like any good American, you fixed the problem and moved forward.

Maybe you could tell us how you did it, and save some other folks some skull-sweat?

As a fixed-distasnce trainer, the less expensive version will do perfectly.  If you want to change things in the future, for some reason, the components which differ amongst the two rear sights can be purchased by themselves, so changing from one version to the other is not a great expense.

You will just have a shorter sight radius, and a tinch less inherent accuracy, all other variables constant.  It will work fine on both versions.

After receiving my Tech Sights, I made the mistake of turning over the packaging and seeing the ubiquitous "Made in Taiwan".  That might explain a lot of the "issues".    My front sight insert is physically canted as it was obviously cast imperfectly.  

Taiwan is the Republic of China, vs. the People's Republic of China on the mainland.  FWIW Taiwan (ROC) has long been a US ally, and their technology/quality level is generally quite high, as in very modern.  The ROC is not a third-world dump by any means.
If your part is defective, then by all means send it back so they can make good on it, as surely they will.  That is precisely what your warranty is for, and you should definitely alert any mfr to defective parts so they can not only fix you up, but correct the mistake so the same thing doesn't happen to others in the future.

Try http://appleseedinfo.org/

I took my LTR to the range this past weekend. After we got bored with handguns and nearly out of ammo for them, I switched to my LTR on the plate rack at 25yds.   My buddy was shooting my other 10/22 with a 4-14x scope on it against my LTR's "iron" Tech Sights.  I beat him.  

Yeah baby!

I'm finally building my rifle. So here's my question. Which version of the Tech Sites are you guys using? TSR 100 or the TSR 200?

I just shot my first Appleseed two weeks ago, it was very challenging, especially the standing-to-sitting, or standing-to-prone phases.

I actually ran out of time and didn't even get any shots off at the third standing-to-prone target.

I got my Rifleman patch on the first day, and was too hung-over to shoot the next day. Oops

We had a lot of fun, and I'm going to do it again to try and get over 240.


Used this rifle.



ETA:

If you think that Appleseed if for newbies and kids think again. It is a very good shooting clinic even for "advanced shooters" and really helps you proof your techniques and check out your gear.

For training at 25M, paying the extra for rear sight windage adjustability is not worth it.  As for initial zero, that is best done by trying LOTS of different ammo, and seeing which ammo that is reasonably priced, and widely available does the best in your rifle.  Adjust your sights to this ammo, and you're done.  Just buy a few cases of the same ammo, and do the small adjustments, between lots, as required.

Either sight will do all right.  For training, as opposed to field use, having a rear sight peep aperture that can be changed out for a smaller one is an advantage.  The main point of the Liberty Training Rifle (LTR) is to keep things low-cost and simple, so that the rifle can be used, or loaned out as a training rifle, and the user need not make any adjustments at all.  Keep things as simple as possible consonant with safety, reliability, and accuracy (in that order), and you will do all right.

Ammo trials should be done from a bench rest, as one wants to eliminate the human element in ammo evaluation.  You are looking for consistent group size during evaluations, with a medium-dirty rifle.

I linked to a .22RF ammo eval doe on rimfireCetral above, and looking at that link will point you in a good direction as far as which ammo to try first. Once you find some reasonably priced ammo that your rifle likes, buy a few cases.

Some folks misunderstand the purpose of the LTR.  In good hands, using good ammo, it should hit to point of aim.  But, for training purposes, the Instructor is looking at the location, and size of the group of shots, so as to coach the shooter into firing an ever-tighter group.  As a Trainer exactly where the group is centered is secondary to the goal of educating the shooter to shoot ever-smaller groups.  Using identical ammo, two good shooters might take the same rifle and shoot into different points of impact. That's the way of things.

Just loan that LTR out to every kid you can, and get them hooked on shooting!  That's the best thing you will ever do with any firrearm, and that's the REAL purpose behind the LTR.   If you spend too much money on it, you will be hesitant on loaning out your "Baby".

Keep it simple, and loan the thing out to everybody!