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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:43:18 AM EDT
Wanted to get opinions on hard armor from everyone.
I will qualify this by saying, I have no former military background. I have a good working knowledge of arms/gear, but wanted opinion on armor. Wanted to see difference between AR500 and Ar680. Which is better? Also what about shooter vs. swimmer cut? I plan on using it with soft armor as well, so any advice is appreciated. |
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated).
If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. |
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. View Quote Im definitely looking at AR500 or Spartan. Any suggestions on shooters, swimming cut, regular? |
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Quoted: Im definitely looking at AR500 or Spartan. Any suggestions on shooters, swimming cut, regular? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. Im definitely looking at AR500 or Spartan. Any suggestions on shooters, swimming cut, regular? I would go shooters cut personally. |
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Chopping block tested the new Armaply or whatever that plate is called from TTM, it looks pretty good. TTM doesn't like me though, they won't answer my emails or send me any samples so I can't speak personally about testing their stuff. I would go shooters cut personally. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. Im definitely looking at AR500 or Spartan. Any suggestions on shooters, swimming cut, regular? I would go shooters cut personally. I've seen some of the YouTube videos. How about CATI plates, I've seen them on Ebay. Any reviews? |
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Quoted: I've seen some of the YouTube videos. How about CATI plates, I've seen them on Ebay. Any reviews? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. Im definitely looking at AR500 or Spartan. Any suggestions on shooters, swimming cut, regular? I would go shooters cut personally. I've seen some of the YouTube videos. How about CATI plates, I've seen them on Ebay. Any reviews? |
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Wanted to get opinions on hard armor from everyone. I will qualify this by saying, I have no former military background. I have a good working knowledge of arms/gear, but wanted opinion on armor. Wanted to see difference between AR500 and Ar680. Which is better? Also what about shooter vs. swimmer cut? I plan on using it with soft armor as well, so any advice is appreciated. View Quote Start Here |
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I like the 3S9 myself. Tested for DEA 2006 protocol which claims to stop 855 and 193!!
Unfortunately, the sapi medium is 429$$ per plate :( Do you have any Super code for them? Maybe with 30% I would be able to afford 1 front plate at least! I follow your YT channel! It's awesome! Cheers Quoted:
I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. View Quote |
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I'm waiting on a black friday sale from Highcom, hopefully 40-50% off.
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Quoted: I like the 3S9 myself. Tested for DEA 2006 protocol which claims to stop 855 and 193!! Unfortunately, the sapi medium is 429$$ per plate :( Do you have any Super code for them? Maybe with 30% I would be able to afford 1 front plate at least! I follow your YT channel! It's awesome! Cheers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I like the 3S9 myself. Tested for DEA 2006 protocol which claims to stop 855 and 193!! Unfortunately, the sapi medium is 429$$ per plate :( Do you have any Super code for them? Maybe with 30% I would be able to afford 1 front plate at least! I follow your YT channel! It's awesome! Cheers Quoted: I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. If you guys order from them and mention me it helps the channel. Thanks! |
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I'm waiting on a black friday sale from Highcom, hopefully 40-50% off. 40-50% dang One year it was 50% off and a 30% off coupon stacked I'm sure we'll see 40 or 50% off either black Friday or cyber Monday |
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Wanted to get opinions on hard armor from everyone. I will qualify this by saying, I have no former military background. I have a good working knowledge of arms/gear, but wanted opinion on armor. Wanted to see difference between AR500 and Ar680. Which is better? Also what about shooter vs. swimmer cut? I plan on using it with soft armor as well, so any advice is appreciated. Start Here Great info rhanks. |
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It's live - 50% off. Use code BLACKFRIDAY http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/sale View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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shoot dude; if 50% I'll jump and get both plate! It's live - 50% off. Use code BLACKFRIDAY http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/sale Just tried it, didn't give me 50% off? |
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Just tried it, didn't give me 50% off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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shoot dude; if 50% I'll jump and get both plate! It's live - 50% off. Use code BLACKFRIDAY http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/sale Just tried it, didn't give me 50% off? Some things are 30% |
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Some are on sale and you can add a discount. The rest (not on sale) is 30% off
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Quoted: Those are level IV. Are you saying they would stop M855 and 193? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193.
This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers Quoted:
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If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. Those are level IV. Are you saying they would stop M855 and 193? |
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I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193. This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193. This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers Quoted:
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If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. Those are level IV. Are you saying they would stop M855 and 193? That's not a bad idea. Might pick up a plate to blast |
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Quoted: I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193. This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193. This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. Those are level IV. Are you saying they would stop M855 and 193? |
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Me neither!
they would allow me to do a CQB course I have on sight ;-) Quoted:
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I just saw a few vids of people shooting XM855 and 193. This plate is not the lightest out there but with their sales, reputation and free shipping its just a no brainer!!!! I settled for them (4SAS7) in multi curve Thanks! (Included I got the word from you) PS: I bought a 3rd plate. Not sure if I'll keep it as replacement or shoot it to experience that for myself! Cheers Quoted:
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If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. Those are level IV. Are you saying they would stop M855 and 193? |
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For the 4SAS7, is it best to get multi curve for both front and back? Seems like there would be a better shape for each side of one's torso.
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^^ that is what I read; we are not "flat' although there are plenty of people running single curves
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So I think I've settled on the Spartan Ar550 plates. They seem to offer the best bang for your buck. Thanks for all the info gents.
Hope all had a good Thanksgiving. |
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Yes front and back. Unless you like the feel of a plank against your back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For the 4SAS7, is it best to get multi curve for both front and back? Seems like there would be a better shape for each side of one's torso. Yes front and back. Unless you like the feel of a plank against your back. I am going to get this plate as well, however can anyone with experience tell me what size and cut will fit best in my LBT 6094A carrier? Im thinking 10x12 multi curve shooters cut or 9.5x12.5 SAPI m |
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I am going to get this plate as well, however can anyone with experience tell me what size and cut will fit best in my LBT 6094A carrier? Im thinking 10x12 multi curve shooters cut or 9.5x12.5 SAPI m View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For the 4SAS7, is it best to get multi curve for both front and back? Seems like there would be a better shape for each side of one's torso. Yes front and back. Unless you like the feel of a plank against your back. I am going to get this plate as well, however can anyone with experience tell me what size and cut will fit best in my LBT 6094A carrier? Im thinking 10x12 multi curve shooters cut or 9.5x12.5 SAPI m https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=427495 |
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. View Quote fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. |
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Quoted: fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. The point I was trying to make was that taking a round of any caliber will require you to replace the plate, even something weak like a 22. (I hope you killed that motherfucker) |
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Gotchya.
Yes they need to be replaced but I just wanted to clarify that they dont shatter like a coffee mug with a few hits. |
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I ordered the pair of 10 x12 multi curve shooters cut. That seemed to be the popular choice.
There was a video on one of the black friday threads posted of a guy shooting that model plate with multiple rounds of AR, AK and 9mm. Very impressive. It kept everything from penetrating except one AK round right on the bottom edge that hit where a couple other rounds had hit. The plate doesn't really shatter, it spalls out toward the shooter and delaminates. |
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fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. I think that used plate would deserve a much better place, such as in an enclosed glass trophy case proudly displayed upon your fireplace mantle. |
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I think that used plate would deserve a much better place, such as in an enclosed glass trophy case proudly displayed upon your fireplace mantle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've tested a LOT of armor on my YouTube channel (it's called The Wound Channel), it should give you a lot of information to make your own choice. In my testing AR500armor.com's level III+ plate is the best steel plate I have seen. AR680 did not hold up to M193 at close range, it failed at a velocity lower than what was listed on the website (which has now been updated). If you want a ceramic plate, the Highcom 4SAS7 is hard to beat. It's a touch heavy for a ceramic plate but it stops just about anything less than a 50BMG. If you want a steel plate, the Level III+ (and remember the plus is important here) from AR500Armor is the way to go, make sure you opt for the build up coating. Remember that ceramic plates are one time use, if you take a shot (even from something weak like a 22lr) you will need to replace your plate. They are durable however for day to day usage, and can stop just about any round you would encounter. Unlike steel which can be defeated by very high velocity rounds. Once you settle on a plate post up what you're going to buy, I know a couple coupon codes for some of the manufacturers but you should pick what you want first. fwiw ceramics are even tough enough to handle more than one 22lr. Ive taken 3 7.62x39 rounds within a hands spread on a sapi plate at about 5 yards. When I got a new one I dropped the used one on a rock and it stayed in one piece. I think that used plate would deserve a much better place, such as in an enclosed glass trophy case proudly displayed upon your fireplace mantle. Im not that sentimental |
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I've been reading all this info and thinking of getting some armor but now after CA shooting thinking a lot harder about it. While talking to my son in law who is a Marine about this he told me his plate carrier is soft armor level lllA without any plates installed. Is that correct? Everything I've read says with the plates you get level lllA. Is it because his is military grade?
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I've been reading all this info and thinking of getting some armor but now after CA shooting thinking a lot harder about it. While talking to my son in law who is a Marine about this he told me his plate carrier is soft armor level lllA without any plates installed. Is that correct? Everything I've read says with the plates you get level lllA. Is it because his is military grade? View Quote They are not NIJ rated, so apples to oranges. SAPI rating is a different rating. Irrelevant for civilian armor selection, any "SAPI rated" armor from commercial armor companies will call out specifically what it is rated for. For your selection recommend getting as much info as you can under your belt. We have seen an uptick of citizen armor orders at AT Armor this week, you are not alone in your thinking. My advice: Buy plates that are as light as possible if you are serious about using them. I have seen many civilians add so much weight to their rigs they become non-functional. If you have any specific questions about putting a setup together please give us a shout, I am always glad to assist. Vr AT |
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