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Posted: 11/22/2015 8:35:30 PM EDT
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I was a 203 gunner, check out the Tactical Tailor 40mm M203 belt, I used that while deployed to carry ammo, was pretty damn good gear. Worth checking out anyway for your ammo carriage. That or figure out a pouch arrangement.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 8:58:29 PM EDT
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I carried a mk32 everywhere and used the hell out of it. Just use a decent battle belt and put the rounds in a dump pouch. I'd carry 6 in the gun, 12 in the dump pouch, and a couple smoke rounds in an issued eagle frag pouch.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 11:48:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a 203 gunner, check out the Tactical Tailor 40mm M203 belt, I used that while deployed to carry ammo, was pretty damn good gear. Worth checking out anyway for your ammo carriage. That or figure out a pouch arrangement. ^ yup did that too. Worked quite well for me, not enough real-estate to put them on my rig otherwise. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:16:25 AM EDT
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This was posted in the SOPMOD Block II thread a while back and thought it might help. S&S M320 holster.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:35:41 AM EDT
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the 320 is a hunk of shit and we should've kept the 203.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 9:56:11 AM EDT
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Are you carrying it stand-alone? Or are you forced to have it mounted? Are you looking for a holster, grenade bandoleer, or pouch setup?
Our 1SG put out the SOP all our M320s would be mounted which had, IMO, some real downsides. However, before the SOP was pushed out I got an S&S M320 holster for T&E and one of my guys carried it that way for a few drills. He really liked it, could carry it under the arm even while wearing a ruck and could employ it quickly. It's also surprisingly inexpensive for the brand and product. While at XCTC our company was chosen to T&E M320 holsters and, because of the SOP, they were all shoved in a bag and forgotten. I ended up getting a full MMI holster setup. It's work $4-500 and came with a single point sling, holster, and MOLLE belt. Overall it sucked. stitching sucked, it was bulky, and clunky. One of the guys ended up giving me his and I gave the MOLLE belt away to a coworker for his pistol, and later on sold the holster itself. I have lent out both the S&S and MMI setups in the past so both companies would get additional T&E value out of them since they didn't respond to my emails to have it returned. I recently sold both to deploying soldiers who needed holsters (and I needed money). The S&S is a the best option. It's inexpensive, adaptable, uncomplicated, and lightweight. The MMI is heavy, bulky, expensive, and complicated. https://www.sandsprecision.com/weapon-retention/grenade-launcher-holster.html ETA: Not a grenadier, I was a PL and XO trying to get my guys good stuff. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:06:27 AM EDT
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We use grenade launchers for less lethal / gas deployment. Still haven't found an ideal way to rig it up, as we just got them relatively recently. That said, as far as carrying / deploying ammo, I really dig the tactical tailor 40mm belt.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:33:45 AM EDT
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We use grenade launchers for less lethal / gas deployment. Still haven't found an ideal way to rig it up, as we just got them relatively recently. That said, as far as carrying / deploying ammo, I really dig the tactical tailor 40mm belt. What kind are you using? I'm assuming they're not M320s. What about a single point/wolf hook matched with an S&S Weapon Link? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:08:04 PM EDT
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+1 for the tactical tailor belt
In afg 2013, I carried a 320 stripped down like a pistol, on my side plate, under my right arm, held it in place with one of the buckles from the interceptor buckle kit from tactical talior, and had a pistol lanyard attached to it as well. Under my left arm I attached the tactical tailor four round pouch and had two flares and two smokes, I carried two HE's else where, as a squad leader it was more beneficial to carry markers, etc. My grenadiers had a issued m9 holster that we opened up to fit a 320, they carried them with the stocks. In the city they would rarely be able to use them. Outside the city they could lob them all they wanted. The 320 on the m4 is awkward, as a stand alone its pretty nice. I recently acquired an s&s precision holster, I haven't used it but checking it out it's a nice piece of kit and looks very well made and thought out |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:10:49 PM EDT
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What kind are you using? I'm assuming they're not M320s. What about a single point/wolf hook matched with an S&S Weapon Link? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We use grenade launchers for less lethal / gas deployment. Still haven't found an ideal way to rig it up, as we just got them relatively recently. That said, as far as carrying / deploying ammo, I really dig the tactical tailor 40mm belt. What kind are you using? I'm assuming they're not M320s. What about a single point/wolf hook matched with an S&S Weapon Link? Weren't the S&S holsters part of the kit issued to 320 gunners? I've seen a few people using bungee cord slings with them. (<--- not a thumper gunner; mine was a tad big bigger). 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:28:03 PM EDT
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Weren't the S&S holsters part of the kit issued to 320 gunners? I've seen a few people using bungee cord slings with them. (<--- not a thumper gunner; mine was a tad big bigger). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We use grenade launchers for less lethal / gas deployment. Still haven't found an ideal way to rig it up, as we just got them relatively recently. That said, as far as carrying / deploying ammo, I really dig the tactical tailor 40mm belt. What kind are you using? I'm assuming they're not M320s. What about a single point/wolf hook matched with an S&S Weapon Link? Weren't the S&S holsters part of the kit issued to 320 gunners? I've seen a few people using bungee cord slings with them. (<--- not a thumper gunner; mine was a tad big bigger). They weren't part of our kit. We did t&E of the holster systems at XCTC in August 2013 so maybe they are issuing them now? Would surprise me though if they were since I lent mine out to a AD soldier last year and then sold mine to a deploying soldier a couple weeks ago. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:33:07 PM EDT
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Best pic I could find of what I wore. of course, that was 31 years ago. Might want to go new school on this one. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:38:07 PM EDT
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http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/520x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/e/gernadevest_1.jpg Best pic I could find of what I wore. of course, that was 31 years ago. Might want to go new school on this one. I had to wear that piece of shit in PRC. Wore it the first day and volunteered to carry the SAW or 240 everyday after for the rest of the coarse. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:44:30 PM EDT
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The Tactical Tailor 40mm belt is where it's at. I loved my 203 but the 320 seems like a bitch mounted. I'd rather carry that separate. For awhile I used a large saw pouch with a bunch of loose HEDP. That wasn't the best and the belt was way better.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:08:45 AM EDT
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Those old school grenadier vests are ...well...... old as fuck and useless with today's kit.
Tactical Tailor 40mm belt is epic win |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:24:57 PM EDT
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Thanks everyone!
As far as dismounted or mounted to the rifle. I will be carrying it in one of the S&S rigs most likely. I have had my eye on that. Is the TT belt stiff enough to support putting the holster on that? Thanks for all the input! And yeah, the old 40mm vests are fucking lame. My two options will either be the TT belt, or a standard war belt with pouches and the holster I think. Thanks again! Would still love to see more rigs for ideas. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 4:37:43 AM EDT
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Thanks everyone! As far as dismounted or mounted to the rifle. I will be carrying it in one of the S&S rigs most likely. I have had my eye on that. Is the TT belt stiff enough to support putting the holster on that? Thanks for all the input! And yeah, the old 40mm vests are fucking lame. My two options will either be the TT belt, or a standard war belt with pouches and the holster I think. Thanks again! Would still love to see more rigs for ideas. It's also not a circumferential grenade belt, it's only got grenades on like 2/3 of the realestate, depending on waist size. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:37:43 AM EDT
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the 320 is a hunk of shit and we should've kept the 203. I've never been in the military, but I thought the 320 was generally better regarded than the 203. Could you perchance expand on this? (If need be, by PM or email; I don't want to draw a mod's or staff's wrath by derailing this thread) |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:09:51 AM EDT
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I've never been in the military, but I thought the 320 was generally better regarded than the 203. Could you perchance expand on this? (If need be, by PM or email; I don't want to draw a mod's or staff's wrath by derailing this thread) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the 320 is a hunk of shit and we should've kept the 203. I've never been in the military, but I thought the 320 was generally better regarded than the 203. Could you perchance expand on this? (If need be, by PM or email; I don't want to draw a mod's or staff's wrath by derailing this thread) It's a combination of "anything new sucks" and "everything old sucks". Like everything else, the truth is in between. I don't have a ton of time on the 2 systems, but I have fired both. The M203 is a very compact rifle mounted system and relatively simple. But it's not as easily made a stand alone system, and the round lengths are limited due to the way the barrel slides forward for loading. It's also pretty cheap as it is just the grenade launcher. It has the nicer trigger, being a single action, but it's a grenade launcher, not a target pistol. The M320 is much easier to make standalone, which is to me, a better option than rifle mounting it. Rifle mounting makes it very bulky. But it also has a better safety system, a double action trigger, and is side openning which means it can accept any length of round. This will be invaluable considering the military is developing medium range 40mm grenade launcher launched rockets. Good article here on the M320 program. Personally, I'd be a fan of giving grenadiers MK18s as a secondary to Milkor M32's and a ton of ammunition. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:26:30 AM EDT
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It's a combination of "anything new sucks" and "everything old sucks". Like everything else, the truth is in between. I don't have a ton of time on the 2 systems, but I have fired both. The M203 is a very compact rifle mounted system and relatively simple. But it's not as easily made a stand alone system, and the round lengths are limited due to the way the barrel slides forward for loading. It's also pretty cheap as it is just the grenade launcher. It has the nicer trigger, being a single action, but it's a grenade launcher, not a target pistol. The M320 is much easier to make standalone, which is to me, a better option than rifle mounting it. Rifle mounting makes it very bulky. But it also has a better safety system, a double action trigger, and is side openning which means it can accept any length of round. This will be invaluable considering the military is developing medium range 40mm grenade launcher launched rockets. Good article here on the M320 program. Personally, I'd be a fan of giving grenadiers MK18s as a secondary to Milkor M32's and a ton of ammunition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the 320 is a hunk of shit and we should've kept the 203. I've never been in the military, but I thought the 320 was generally better regarded than the 203. Could you perchance expand on this? (If need be, by PM or email; I don't want to draw a mod's or staff's wrath by derailing this thread) It's a combination of "anything new sucks" and "everything old sucks". Like everything else, the truth is in between. I don't have a ton of time on the 2 systems, but I have fired both. The M203 is a very compact rifle mounted system and relatively simple. But it's not as easily made a stand alone system, and the round lengths are limited due to the way the barrel slides forward for loading. It's also pretty cheap as it is just the grenade launcher. It has the nicer trigger, being a single action, but it's a grenade launcher, not a target pistol. The M320 is much easier to make standalone, which is to me, a better option than rifle mounting it. Rifle mounting makes it very bulky. But it also has a better safety system, a double action trigger, and is side openning which means it can accept any length of round. This will be invaluable considering the military is developing medium range 40mm grenade launcher launched rockets. Good article here on the M320 program. Personally, I'd be a fan of giving grenadiers MK18s as a secondary to Milkor M32's and a ton of ammunition. Yeah, it can take longer rounds, but those are specialty rounds that most guys never see, let alone have a use for. The thing is unwieldly as fuck. Sure, you can use it as a standalone system, but why? And m4 with a 203 is tits. When you need a grenade, you have it right the fuck now. The 320 on a rifle it's a huge pain in the ass. With the 203, like you said, it's a minor inconvenience. Like I said, I carried a 32 with a bunch of rounds and it was awesome. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:28:45 PM EDT
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320 and pistol was fine when I didn't have a long gun. That was the only time I enjoyed one.
With a rifle and all the stuff 203 was much better. I carried a 320 more, but only ever shot the 203 at anyone and leafsight/fsp is so easy to shoot well its not even fair. Only rounds you'll generally use are smoke and he so don't worry about much else. Maybe have a chute flare in your pack. For the 320 with army gear? Find an effective way to attach it to the side of your pack and dont leave that donkey hanging off your gun. Also, the air foil LL rounds I had would have fit a regular 203 I'm pretty sure. Never tried to cross fit them though for some reason. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 7:44:24 PM EDT
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We were issued the TT belt for AFG. I cut mine to a length of 6, and zip tied it to my plate carrier, then took a length of 3. and put it on the left cummerbund. Any additional rounds I deemed neccessary went into a drop pouch or day pack.
I had an M203, FWIW. That set up worked best for me, and kept the weight relatively distributed. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:18:11 PM EDT
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I like the idea of a warbelt with the golden eggs on it, especially if you are going to attach a 320 holster to it. Something to consider is put a multi round pouch (I have a couple of 6 rounders from Blackhawk that work well enough) opposite the holster to balance it out, and make sure that you have separation between your different round types. Absolute last thing you need is to be trying to shoot LL and you smoke a dude in the chest with a flare. Probably you will want some suspenders though if you are putting more than just the holster and a very few pills on the belt.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:26:23 PM EDT
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I like the idea of a warbelt with the golden eggs on it, especially if you are going to attach a 320 holster to it. Something to consider is put a multi round pouch (I have a couple of 6 rounders from Blackhawk that work well enough) opposite the holster to balance it out, and make sure that you have separation between your different round types. Absolute last thing you need is to be trying to shoot LL and you smoke a dude in the chest with a flare. Probably you will want some suspenders though if you are putting more than just the holster and a very few pills on the belt. "Shake n bake" with my 32 was hedp, hedp, wsc, hedp, smoke, hedp. They didn't know what the fuck was going on.
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