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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:49:36 PM EDT
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Does anybody know if the ALICE was ever made in Ranger Green? I found this: http://wardenssupplyco.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1668 I am thinking of buying it, but I don't want to buy some knock-off. I wouldn't rule it out; stranger things have happened. However, consider a MOLLE II pack in Multicam. Yes, it's almost twice the price, but it's more than twice as comfortable, plus it's designed to work in conjunction with body armor, unlike the ALICE. http://store.oldgrouch.biz/usmumoiiru.html While you're at it, get the MC GI MOLLE assault pack, which attaches to the main pack, linked above. http://store.oldgrouch.biz/usmumoiiaspa.html I own both, and the MOLLE is miles ahead of the ALICE. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 3:44:05 AM EDT
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:32:10 AM EDT
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps I'm going to back you up, but add the MOLLE is larger. I've never heard of the ALICE in RG, I'd be wary. I do have one that was close but it was just the manufacturing for that specific ruck was off somehow not that it was manufactured to be RG. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 9:51:44 AM EDT
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Does anybody know if the ALICE was ever made in Ranger Green? I found this: http://wardenssupplyco.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1668 I am thinking of buying it, but I don't want to buy some knock-off. I dont know but current issued ALICE gear is much more green in color compared to the 80s stuff that was really OD. I dont have a pic now sorry |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:10:49 PM EDT
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps Your period key and shift key are broken. You should buy a new keyboard. That being said, TAG used to offer their rucks in Ranger Green I believe, but I don't know if they still do. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 1:33:49 PM EDT
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It says right in the ad that, while it was purchased as surplus, it appears to be a commercial product.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 3:38:58 PM EDT
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It says an "aftermarket pack purchased by the military". I am not sure what that means, but I did not take that to mean it does not meet USGI standards (which is what I am mostly concerned about).
I have also heard of complaints about the MOLLE II. The reason I want an ALICE is to strap a bolt action rilfle to. All my internal frame packs don't ride right when I do that. I notice snipers normally still use ALICE packs so I was thinking for the price of them it is worth a try. All my gear is RG, but I'll probably go OD on this one just to make sure I don't get a knockoff. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 4:09:21 PM EDT
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I wouldnt worry about getting a knock off most of its made by the people that had military contracts back when alice was standard issue
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Posted: 1/21/2015 4:40:03 PM EDT
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ask for a pic of the makers tag
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Posted: 1/21/2015 4:50:20 PM EDT
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps All of the things you mention were common to MOLLE I version. The new frames, and the "Enhanced" shoulder straps made MOLLE II a MUCH better pack than MOLLE I. I suggested a MOLLE II pack to the OP, in lieu of the ALICE he was thinking about. We'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 8:36:15 PM EDT
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All of the things you mention were common to MOLLE I version. The new frames, and the "Enhanced" shoulder straps made MOLLE II a MUCH better pack than MOLLE I. I suggested a MOLLE II pack to the OP, in lieu of the ALICE he was thinking about. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps All of the things you mention were common to MOLLE I version. The new frames, and the "Enhanced" shoulder straps made MOLLE II a MUCH better pack than MOLLE I. I suggested a MOLLE II pack to the OP, in lieu of the ALICE he was thinking about. We'll just have to agree to disagree. That part is true, still not as good as an ALICE for wearability IMHO but to each their own. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 2:16:51 AM EDT
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That part is true, still not as good as an ALICE for wearability IMHO but to each their own. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps All of the things you mention were common to MOLLE I version. The new frames, and the "Enhanced" shoulder straps made MOLLE II a MUCH better pack than MOLLE I. I suggested a MOLLE II pack to the OP, in lieu of the ALICE he was thinking about. We'll just have to agree to disagree. That part is true, still not as good as an ALICE for wearability IMHO but to each their own. I have a few thousand miles under both packs and I have no idea what you're talking about. The molle frame is taller, therefore allowing you to get it higher on your back than the alice (not to mention the new mole with the snow collar that allows you to build it up even higher) and the molle has a sternum strap which keeps the shoulder straps from killing your arm pits. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 6:04:23 PM EDT
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I have a few thousand miles under both packs and I have no idea what you're talking about. The molle frame is taller, therefore allowing you to get it higher on your back than the alice (not to mention the new mole with the snow collar that allows you to build it up even higher) and the molle has a sternum strap which keeps the shoulder straps from killing your arm pits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Raf im going to have to disagree with you on every point you made having rucked countless miles with both i can without a doubt say that the alice ruck outshines the molle in everyway the shape of the molle ruck keeps you from getting it high enough on your back to be comfortable and the straps refuse to stay upfront on body armor making you loose circulation in your arms and the plastic frame will break if it takes any sort of heavy stress like dropping it on the floor after a long ruck infact the only thing the molle abomonation has thats better than the alice ruck is fastex buckles on the closing straps All of the things you mention were common to MOLLE I version. The new frames, and the "Enhanced" shoulder straps made MOLLE II a MUCH better pack than MOLLE I. I suggested a MOLLE II pack to the OP, in lieu of the ALICE he was thinking about. We'll just have to agree to disagree. That part is true, still not as good as an ALICE for wearability IMHO but to each their own. I have a few thousand miles under both packs and I have no idea what you're talking about. The molle frame is taller, therefore allowing you to get it higher on your back than the alice (not to mention the new mole with the snow collar that allows you to build it up even higher) and the molle has a sternum strap which keeps the shoulder straps from killing your arm pits. My biggest problem has always been the waist belt with the MOLLE. For the frame/shoulder straps to work as designed you really need that waist belt engaged vs. the ALICE the where waist belt is optional (at best). For road marching or PT, MOLLE hands down but once I put an IBA on I look for my ALICE which I think was the OP's question. It's not like the ALICE is the perfect solution either, it's not, it just works better for me in kit. I've heard good things about the mysteryranch BVS but haven't been able to try one for myself, looks like a step in the right direction. Either way I'm not here to call anyone wrong or step on toes (I'm not that SGM) but ALICE works better for ME in an IBA than the MOLLE does. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 6:34:17 PM EDT
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Fair enough, but you should always use the waist belt.
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Posted: 1/24/2015 9:42:58 PM EDT
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Does anybody have any experience strapping a bolt action rifle to either of these packs? Which is better for that application?
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:22:05 AM EDT
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Does anybody have any experience strapping a bolt action rifle to either of these packs? Which is better for that application? Old Grouch harries the original rifle carriers for the Alice packs. Don't know how well they work (but I bought 2 anyway.) 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 6:03:09 AM EDT
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Myself and guys in my platoon have tried Kifaru Gunbearers, various ways of carrying them on mystery ranch rucks, vertically on eberlestock rucks, but pretty much the consensus is the Alice pack of various brands seem to be the most secure ruck to carry a bolt gun. We T-bone them across the top and they stay there. Even with a partially filled ruck they still seem to hold well. I've carried bolt guns and a .50 cal SASR (separately) on many ops with no problems. Wasn't the most comfortable ruck, but was secure. There is a definite trade off in comfort.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:29:47 AM EDT
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Old Grouch harries the original rifle carriers for the Alice packs. Don't know how well they work (but I bought 2 anyway.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anybody have any experience strapping a bolt action rifle to either of these packs? Which is better for that application? Old Grouch harries the original rifle carriers for the Alice packs. Don't know how well they work (but I bought 2 anyway.) http://store.oldgrouch.biz/or19marricas.html This what he's referring to. Note the old-style hook hanger on the strap. There are some strips of webbing on the sides of some versions of the ALICE pack into which these hooks might fit, and allow the device to be used. IIRC, since ski troops have such straps, most pix of ski troops--who cannot use their rifles when skiing, have their rifles mounted vertically, with the barrel sticking above the pack as little a possible. This strap might be adaptable to the ALICE pack, although it was not made to go with it. |
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