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Posted: 7/20/2011 11:49:49 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Here's the thing. My .mil training is around 35 years old, when a sling was what you used to keep the rifle off the ground, period. (Army, not Marines ). Since then, most of my "tactical" work has been with one-handers. I'm only just getting back to playing hardball with rifles again.To that end, I'm trying to decide what sling configuration to use on my basic go-to AR. There seem to be a goodly number of configuration choices, and even a number of choices within the choices. Without starting a fight, is there a generally useful sling setup for a non-door kicker? What I think I've learned in looking this over: Single point is for active door monkeying. Gives you the best control while the weapon is in hand, but is kind of hard on "th' boys" when you let it hang. Also, loop v vest attachment? Two point. Hangs better when you're not actively F&Ming, but sacrifices some control when you are. Particularly, shouldering the weapon on the support side seems to require you wrapping the webbing around your neck . Of course, I've located at least four different variants of the two-point not including the sliders like the VTac. My rifle is currently set up (by a former door monkey) with a standard M16 cotton web sling, as a two point with one end tied off at the D-ring, run back tight to clamp behind the pistol grip and then loose to the rear mount (fixed A2 stock). I'm not sure I like it like this. For one thing, although it hangs pretty securely when I let it hang, (over right shoulder, under left arm) it tends to paint my left foot, which I'm not crazy about. For another, by the time I get it tight enough to hang right and shoulder quickly, switching to support side wraps the sling uncomfortably tight around my neck. Three point. I don't know what the heck this is all about! What are the advantages over the two point? Also, is there any validity to the "old school" sling (which I suppose is a two point by default)? Up until I started hanging with all you tactical yahoos, I thought the height of high speed was "taking a loop". With my current setup, I get to choose between slack when I present or having the butt knock on my teeth when I walk and the strap choke me if I have to go to support side. Are those supercoolguy sliding adjustable slings (VTac etc.) really all that? I'll be carrying more than shooting, and I'm pretty sure my potential door kicking days are behind me (although, anything's possible these days). Also I'd prefer something that doesn't have a battery of arms twelve pages long. (if it takes longer to learn how to use the sling than it does to learn how to deploy the rifle, it's too farkin' complicated! So.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 12:04:45 AM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2011 12:31:18 AM by jtb0311]
I'd encourage you to invest in a nice adjustable 2 point sling. IMO, it's the best option. I am very fond of the Blue Force Gear Vickers Sling.
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Posted: 7/21/2011 12:18:26 AM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2011 12:20:08 AM by machinegunseabee]
Viking Tactics quick adjustt two point padded sling.
Cave man simple.... hence why I have many of them.
Good slings, you can carry with them one minute and snap in to a target nice and tight the next. Check out Viking Tactics on the internets and see the video of the sling. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 12:33:38 AM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2011 4:08:12 PM by C_1]
There are so many options.. 1, 2, and 3 pt slings. Front sight tower or handguard sling adapter for the front connection. Rear end plate or stock sling adapter for the rear connection. And QD swivels, HK hooks and/or MASH hooks. Its really a matter of preference (and why there are a lot of opinions). Try stuff out, and find out what works for you..
I like and have a BFG Vickers sling, rigged for 1-2 pt with a snap shackle and d-ring in the rear, MASH hook in front, and the IKH SLAP. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 12:51:57 AM
Three point has strap that lays tight from front of forearm to back of stock normally. Sling portion is fixed to the stock and additionally adjusts from front of forearm to point near upper. Three point and two point are most comfortable for walking around. Singlepoint is normally attached to point where stock attaches to upper.
There is also one sling made so you can carry the rifle over both shoulders like a backpack. Video on utube under Specter 3 point sling. Video shows it can also be used for African carry, patrol carry as well. Moves very smoothly between different kinds of carry. I liked the three point sling because I could carry rifle across front muzzel down on low left and quickly change it to muzzel down behind shoulder where I could control muzzel better in chow hall when eating. All I had to do was remove left arm from inside sling and insert right arm and rotate rifle to low right. Head remains inside sling the whole time. If you like the singlepoint sling and would still like a sling for rifle support you could add a "Safari Ching Sling" to the forearm area. Not the Galco one but just the right sized strap from one ond of the forearm to the other. Not the full system which has 3 mounting points.
I've a similar sling I made from a 1inch reign with holes punched every 3/4." The leather was already broke in with URAD products and dead soft for as thick as it was. Attachment points are two removable sling attachment points that go on and off my rail forearms. Third attachment point is rear of A2 Stock. If I put a collapsable stock on I'll just make a short sling that fits the front two attachment points and use a singlepoint sling for body carry attachment. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 12:54:11 AM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2011 12:55:45 AM by Casper507]
Posting error.
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Posted: 7/21/2011 1:07:32 AM
BFG, Vikings Tactics and Magpul all make great slings.
I think the best slings are by Gear Sector, and I use single point slings. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 1:31:34 AM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2011 1:34:17 AM by SleeperShooter]
I personally have a single point sling attachment point on all of my long guns and shotguns. I have a single point sling that has a hook on it so I can use one sling for whatever I am carrying. All of them also have the capability for two points slings (one point is still the single point plate and the other point is on the inboard handguard). Here's why:
If I am doing entries of FISH (Fighting In Someones House), I prefer a single point. It is so much easier to transition to support side shooting if need be. I also think it's easier to run with if need be and it's so much easier to get out of a truck / vehicle with a single point versus a two point. However, it does have drawbacks, the biggest one being it requires more attention to detail when handcuffing someone. I highly suggest going with a sling instead of a vest mounted option. You might not always wear your vest.... but you might want to carry your rifle. If I am going hiking or a long distance "hunt", then I tend to prefer a two point sling due to comfort and the ability to 'toss' it over my back so that it's muzzle up if I don't want it in the front for whatever reason. Here's the problem you're going to face. You need to think about where you plan on carrying your rifle / shotgun first off. Vehicle Ops require different things than Dismounted Ops. Do you require more mobility, or stability while shooting? The thing is you're probably going to have to look at what all is out there, check out the different video on YouTube to see how people are using theirs and if it looks like something you might be able to use, and then start asking people that post in the Gear Porn thread how they like their sling/ setup. <–– Make sure to do this via PM and not clog up the thread with questions. Hope it helps, but it really is a lot of personal preferance. Like I said, I generally run a single point, but I have the capability to run a two point if the situation dictates/ presents itself to be more adventatous.
-SleeperShooter ETA: Almost forgot one of the most important things about the Gear Porn thread... if someone's gear looks super pristine and clean... take what they say & divide it by 3.141687 as they're probably a couch commando (unles they have a Tank Icon... in which case ask 'em why their gear is so damn clean!!). Just a friendly heads up. -SS |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 1:38:06 AM
I've got 2 of the Blue Force Vickers padded slings and they are great.
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Posted: 7/21/2011 2:20:21 AM
Originally Posted By jtb0311:
I'd encourage you to invest in a nice adjustable 2 point sling. IMO, it's the best option. I am very fond of the Blue Force Gear Vickers Sling. +1 I love their padded 2 point. Simple and effective. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 3:39:27 AM
Originally Posted By jtb0311:
I'd encourage you to invest in a nice adjustable 2 point sling. IMO, it's the best option. I am very fond of the Blue Force Gear Vickers Sling. same here. I think they work better mounted to the side of the forend rather than the bottom |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 3:41:49 AM
There is a local guy here in the Seattle area that makes the best sling system I've found. I've tried about 14 different slings and I've ended up purchasing 4 of these slings. The guys name is Scott and his company is SKT Industries (http://www.sktindustries.com/). He makes a 2 into 1 point sling. It allows for the user to change from 2 point to single point in a matter of about 1 second. Takes the same amount of time to switch back. Also, adjusting the slack is very quick and simple. It is all done with gross motor skills and although it doesn't sound simple, the KISS theory is deffinitely applicable with this sling. They retail for about $50 and Scott is a stand up guy. I will not buy any other sling ever. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 7/21/2011 8:35:23 AM
Originally Posted By akrox:
I've got 2 of the Blue Force Vickers padded slings and they are great. +1 My only warning would be if you choose the padded version, you will be limited on how short you can make the sling as the padded portion is a fixed length. The non-padded you can shorten as much as you want. I use the padded on my heavier rifles and the non-padded on my carbine FWIW. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 9:53:34 AM
Vickers 2 point, only way to go.
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Posted: 7/21/2011 1:37:22 PM
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
Vickers 2 point, only way to go. +1 I'm thinking about doing this with my Vickers. Best of both worlds then. ![]() |
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