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Posted: 1/25/2011 9:06:29 AM EDT
Just got this from www.entrygear.com.
Go to https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=S0001 for their (brief) product description and photos. To save time, I'll be using their pix located at the bottom of the screen. You can click on each pic, and enlarge it if you like. I'll add some comments to pre-existing ones, so read what's there already first. We'll start with the smaller pix down at the bottom, and start with the upper left, proceeding left-to-right, and from top down, like reading a book. Pic 1: Right side view of pack, showing MOLLE loop arrangement. Note the two side-compression straps. Users can add a 6x6 Medic's pouch below lower comp strap, and a single/double AR-type mag pouch between lower comp strap and upper comp strap. Just a few inches from upper comp strap buckle, at about 10 o'clock, note a grey loop tucked into a tunnel. That loop, when pulled down, exposes a thin compartment behind/underneath both of the small pouches/compartments on the back of the pack. The small-toothed zipper for the main compartment is well flapped to protect from precip, but zippers on smaller compartments have no flaps. Pic 2: full side view, nothing to add. Pic 3: Top compt, opened to show inner clear vinyl pouch, extending full width of compt. Note the taped seam of fabric on the flap of the compt. All seams were either taped, or very well seared in the case of some zippers. Pic 4: Opened lower compt. Plenty of access, and showing MOLLE webbing on lower compt, similar to that on upper compt. MOLLE webbing on side of compt is only about 2 1/4" wide; might be OK for a multi-tool/flashlight pouch, but not much else. Note what is a fabric loop/handle with two round, black snaps at either end of loop located above lower compt. That loop when pulled, unsnaps an E-tool compt behind the lower compt. Pic 5: Shows opened main compt, as seen from top. Shows internal compression strap, which is anchored at very inside bottom of main compt flap, and also has an intermediate anchor midway up same flap. QD buckle at top is also a cute little whistle. Inside the main compt, there are 2 approx 5x5 small mesh pockets at bottom of sides, closed by velcro, and whose top edge is elastic fabric. Pic 6: Shows left side waistbelt pouch, which has a stiffener running alongside waistbelt, and which is about the size of the entire (fairly thin) pouch so that fairly light gear attached to MOLLE loops on outside of pocket (within reason) should not jounce around, particularly if the pouch is kept full. Unless one is very slender-waisted, these pouches are well to the rear of the user, as the rear edges of the pouchs are attached to main pack body. Other side of pouch (which is to say side of pouch that contacts waistbelt), also has MOLLE loops, and front of pouch can be adjusted via web and buckle, to accomodate items strapped-in between pouch and belt. Better view of adjustment buckle and inside MOLLE webbing of right side pouch in same pic. Can't say for sure, but if one kept the pouch pretty full, attaching on a couple of AR mags might work, especially if the top of the mag pouch was attached to the "D" ring on the chest harness, thus taking up some of the weight, and also eliminating mag pouch bounce. On my 36-inch waist, there is about 8" either side of belt buckle available for attachments of items. I have heard of some folks cutting these pouches off. We'll see. Pic 7: Shows ventral side of pack with proprietary back padding. Back has a full-size and very stiff stiffening panel, and is fully padded This material is something like very stiff bubble wrap but very-well-vented; it is almost transparent if viewed properly, but seems to stand up to preliminary attempts to mash it down pretty well. Note the upper attachment points of the shoulder straps: the shoulder strap attachment points are adjustable at least 6" vertically, mebbe more. As pictured, the vertical adjustment is all the way down. I'm 6'3", and the velcro-attached sheet to which the upper shoulder strap are attached can be moved up 6" to fit me, and with full velcro engagement. The velcro is cleverly attached, and the more you carry, the tighter the velcro is pressed together. The upper end of the shoulder straps is also buckled to the adjustable anchor point, so getting the waistbelt/shoulderstraps to fit well should be possible for most men, and many women as well. Pic 8: Shows ventral view of pack, Note that the shoulder straps, which use same well-vented padding as ventral side of pack have adjustable load-lifter straps. In the very unlikely event of velcro attachment system failure, load-lifter straps are a viable back-up. I wouldn't worry about velcro attachment failing, though. Sternum strap is adjusted full down in pic, on account of non-adjustable loops bottoming out on shoulder-straps. If Sternum strap is too high/doesn't fit you right, remove and sew directly to buckle minus loop going around shoulder strap, or use excess webbing and a tri-glide buckle. Easy fix for a possible problem; It's OK for me, YMMV. The vertical 1" webbing to which the sternum anchors are attached has intermittent 3/4" slits woven into it: multiple attachment points for Grimlocks/dummy cords/whatever. The grey velcro gizmo on the right shoulder strap is attached through one of these woven slits. I suppose it's meant for use with a bladder hose. Speaking of which, the bladder pocket in this pack is a bladder-width, snapped-and-flapped pocket accessed just behind the attachment point for the shoulder straps. Soft fabric inside, so my guess it's intended for a bare and not included bladder. Do yourself a BIG favor, and plan on filling the blader from the hose, not pulling it out. Camelbak has adaptors for filter and hose for this, and other mfrs may also. General observations: Antenna ports under grey carry handle are just that; there's no provision for hanging a bladder inside the pack, although a field-expedient 'D" ring added to the upper attachment point of the internal comp strap would allow such. All seams taped, and even the edges of the zippers seem to be unusually well seared. Nicely finished, even for very picky me. Bottom of pack has 4 full-width rows of MOLLE webbing, add to that a row from lower compt, and you have loads of room to strap-on a sleeping bag/small shelter/sleeping pad. For $85, this pack seems very promising, and an excellent value. I plan on giving it a full work-out as soon as the snow melts enough to allow it. Disclaimer: no financial interest. I bought this pack with my own funds. ETA: the following is the result of adding a GI Modular Sleeping System (MSS) Carrier to the SDS Conflict pack, as well as some additional pix showing accessory pouch attachment, as well as details of the adjustable suspension system. I stuffed the pack and pouches pretty full for size demonstration purposes. The addition of a MSS carrier greatly increases the capacity of the conflict pack, elevating it well out of 3-day pack territory, as well as allowing use in colder temps. All this said and done, it's no winter pack, unless your winter is a good deal warmer than winters are hereabouts. This first image is a 3/4 view from left top showing upper pack attachment point for (narrow, 1") load-lifter strap, and also showing (wide)shoulder strap adjustment as set for 6'3" person with long torso (me). The rectangle to which the shoulder straps anchor (via adjustable buckles) slides up and down within its sleeve to suit the user. The wider of the two straps going off into upper left corner is the attachment strap for the upper anchor on the shoulder strap. Next photo is a shot of the back (dorsal) side of the pack, showing the fully-packed MSS carrier attached. The attachment was surprisingly simple and effective. 1-1/2" wide MSS carrier straps fit the PALS webbing on bottom of pack just right, and the 1" sewn-on strap retention loops on the MSS carrier interfaced with the PALS webbing on bottom of pack to as though they were designed to attach together. No problems encountered, and the MSS carrier fits without undue intrusion on the user's butt. Although the wide MSS carrier strap fits pack PALS loops well, getting the sewn, tripled-over end of the MSS carrier through the PALS cgannels on bottom of pack requires doubling it over, and it's a bit of a squeeze. Use some needlenose pliers to pull end of MSS carrier strap through, and save time/hassle. This next photo shows some accessory pouches as seen from dorsal aspect. Uppermost is a GI, SDS-made GP/100-rd pouch, attached to upper PALS webbing on side of pack. Frankly, this pouch is a bit wide for its' location, and might chafe the user's shoulder. A narrower pouch in this location is suggested. Next down is a 2x30-rd mag pouch by TT in Marine Pattern, Woodland (from Grey Ghost outlet). This pouch is attached to the side PALS webbing of the lower pocket. Lowest down is a GI 6x6x2-1/2 " Medic's pouch, attached to lower side of pack. Next is a different shot of the accessory pouches, as seen from right side. This pic is from the ventral aspect, showing how the MSS carrier only slightly overhangs the sides of the fully-stuffed pack. The Medic's pouch fills the difference in width between pack and MSS carrier almost perfectly. While wearing fully stuffed ensemble, the user can swing arms all the way to the rear with just a slight interferance on the part of the medic's pouches. The whole ensemble is no wider than my shoulders, and I can hang my arms straight down at my sides no problems. Poking elbows back, as while carrying a firearm at chest/ready position meets no interferance at all. Attachment of any but the slimmest of pouches on the sides of the waistbelt where it sits on the user's sides will probably interfere with the user's unimpeded swinging of arms, so keep depth of pouches so-attached to a minimum. Last pic is similar to previous, but from dorsal aspect. If the user does not wish to use the MSS carrier to full capacity, it can be compressed as-needed via its own straps into a package of negligible bulk/weight. |
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So as for the 3200 of space it's advertised of having, does it actually look like it has enough usable space for a '3-day pack'? Do you think the waist strap pockets with the webbing will be useful for items that need to be accessed quickly? And last but not least, the back padding; thick or thin? And how is the 'back support' or 'frame' of the back of the pack in your opinion?
ETA: I italicized this because you briefly answered this, i know, but if you would like to add anymore specifics that would be great. |
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So as for the 3200 of space it's advertised of having, does it actually look like it has enough usable space for a '3-day pack'? Do you think the waist strap pockets with the webbing will be useful for items that need to be accessed quickly? And last but not least, the back padding; thick or thin? And how is the 'back support' or 'frame' of the back of the pack in your opinion? ETA: I italicized this because you briefly answered this, i know, but if you would like to add anymore specifics that would be great. When I first examined the pack, I started looking for aluminum stays it was so rigid. The internal frame sheet is very rigid, yet flexible enough to let the pack move with the user's body. The padding on the back and shoulderstraps is about the equivalent of 1/2" of closed cell foam, but MUCH more breathable. This might be very useful for users in warm climates. Belt side pockets accessibility depend on user's girth. For me (36" waist) they are not terribly easy to access (but I can), but small/slender pouches attached outside, such as mag/multitool pouches should be very easy to reach back and access. Users with more slender waists will find it progressively esier to access the side pouches. Just be sure any add-on pouch is easy to fasten shut, as it may be more-or-less behind you, and you will be doing things by touch. OTOH, I have almost 16" of 2" waist belt on which I can attach items on my sides and front, so it's a trade-off. At this point––and very early on––I thoink of the side pouches themselves as for small items to first access once the pack is doffed, and not for access while wearing the pack. Again, a more slender user might find things different, and E-Z open and close pouches attached to the side pouches might be easier to access in any event. Point is that this pack has a real, load-carrying waistbelt, which is not too common in packs of this capacity. The padded waistbelt allows most of the weight of the pack to be borne by the user's hips, and that is a very significant advantage. the fully adjustable shoulderstraps allow almost any user to get a good fit, and that. too, is something unusual in this size of pack, regardless of price. As for being a 3-day pack, that's tough to answer. In a cold winter, assuming the user is wearing most of his clothes, maybe, as long as you have a damn good bag/shelter, know what you are doing, and max out the attachmnt points. Maybe. For mild climates, as-is, should not be capacity problems for a savvy user. This is smaller in capacity than a Medium ALICE, and I have seen folks fail on a single night with a large ALICE. |
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Awesome! Will be grabbing one in OD green, mind telling us what color you got and how it compares to other manufacturers versions of that color?
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Awesome! Will be grabbing one in OD green, mind telling us what color you got and how it compares to other manufacturers versions of that color? Mine was in Woodland, and the weight of farbic is at least 500 denier. I'm no judge of these things. The fabric is definitely stouter––and heavier–– than that used in most GI issue pouches, which, IIRC, is 200d packcloth. Be advised that the other colors offered use a proprietary "Brickhouse" fabric, which seems to be a reinforced lighter fabric. A close examination of the pix of the different-colored packs will show the stitched-in reinforcements. Woodland is heavier and probably more durable––mebbe. Brickhouse––which I have in a chest-rig––is lighter, and still reasonably durable. I opted for woodland as it suits my AO, and I wished to err on the side of any presumed difference in durability between the two types of fabris. I don't have enough experience the brickhouse cloth to offer an opinion, but it is certainly light, and should be at least as durable, IMHO, as generic nylon GI packcloth. |
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How much does it weigh empty? I don't know. I can do pull-ups with my little finger in the carry loop, though. |
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but it's got zippers, raf.... and you HATE zippers.... I knew someone would mention this.......... LOL! Call it an experiment, with a back-up plan. I avoid, without exception, zippers that have no auxiliary provision for securing the pouch/compartment. Note both the compression straps on the main compt of the pack, and the MOLLE panels on the dorsal side of the pack on both upper and lower dorsal pouches. It will be a simple thing to tie-in auxiliary side-and top-mounted QD-fastened straps to both of the pouches, as well as a similar top-mounted strap on the main compartment, each being seperate. I still loathe zippers, but such things can be overcome with a little forethought. Assuming failure of any or all zippers, inexpensive QD straps can be easily installed to compensate. I actually did think about this prior to buying the pack, and since I came up with a practical, low cost solution, I bought the thing. At least the main compt has a flapped zipper; I wouldn't put anything in any pack that wasn't waterproofed, unless it was invulnerable to water. BTW neither the pack, nor any of the compts have drain grommets; an omission that is easy to fix. |
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suspension? adjustable points and all that fancy backpacking mumbo jumbo you know i like to ask
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suspension? adjustable points and all that fancy backpacking mumbo jumbo you know i like to ask Protus, you are one of the folks that are qualified to ask pointed questions, Ask me a question, and i"ll answer. |
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Im in Canada at the moment and apparently my country cant view this website.... the website won't allow canada to view it...
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Mine in coyote is on the brown truck for delivery tomorrow. Nice review and upgrade ideas. Thanks!
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Im in Canada at the moment and apparently my country cant view this website.... the website won't allow canada to view it... Phone them, and explain the problem. |
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Mine in coyote is on the brown truck for delivery tomorrow. Nice review and upgrade ideas. Thanks! Post here with your comments, please. |
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but it's got zippers, raf.... and you HATE zippers.... I knew someone would mention this.......... LOL! Call it an experiment, with a back-up plan. I avoid, without exception, zippers that have no auxiliary provision for securing the pouch/compartment. Note both the compression straps on the main compt of the pack, and the MOLLE panels on the dorsal side of the pack on both upper and lower dorsal pouches. It will be a simple thing to tie-in auxiliary side-and top-mounted QD-fastened straps to both of the pouches, as well as a similar top-mounted strap on the main compartment, each being seperate. I still loathe zippers, but such things can be overcome with a little forethought. Assuming failure of any or all zippers, inexpensive QD straps can be easily installed to compensate. I actually did think about this prior to buying the pack, and since I came up with a practical, low cost solution, I bought the thing. At least the main compt has a flapped zipper; I wouldn't put anything in any pack that wasn't waterproofed, unless it was invulnerable to water. BTW neither the pack, nor any of the compts have drain grommets; an omission that is easy to fix. Protus: kifaru and multicam Raf: zippers I consider it my personal mission in life to pick at the scabs of others... It actually looks like a nice bag, but at the moment I need another bag like Rosie O'Donnell needs a double cheeseburger. How good/robust are the compression straps? Is the bottom reinforced (the one and only complaint I have with my Kelty MAP, btw)? |
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Add a Woodland Molle Sustainment Pouch on the lower sides to expand your total carry capacity. I can fit my Polartec Bibs, SPEAR Top, Neck Gaitor, Fleece Scarf and Seal Skins in a single Sustainment Pouch
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but it's got zippers, raf.... and you HATE zippers.... I knew someone would mention this.......... LOL! Call it an experiment, with a back-up plan. I avoid, without exception, zippers that have no auxiliary provision for securing the pouch/compartment. Note both the compression straps on the main compt of the pack, and the MOLLE panels on the dorsal side of the pack on both upper and lower dorsal pouches. It will be a simple thing to tie-in auxiliary side-and top-mounted QD-fastened straps to both of the pouches, as well as a similar top-mounted strap on the main compartment, each being seperate. I still loathe zippers, but such things can be overcome with a little forethought. Assuming failure of any or all zippers, inexpensive QD straps can be easily installed to compensate. I actually did think about this prior to buying the pack, and since I came up with a practical, low cost solution, I bought the thing. At least the main compt has a flapped zipper; I wouldn't put anything in any pack that wasn't waterproofed, unless it was invulnerable to water. BTW neither the pack, nor any of the compts have drain grommets; an omission that is easy to fix. Protus: kifaru and multicam Raf: zippers I consider it my personal mission in life to pick at the scabs of others... It actually looks like a nice bag, but at the moment I need another bag like Rosie O'Donnell needs a double cheeseburger. How good/robust are the compression straps? Is the bottom reinforced (the one and only complaint I have with my Kelty MAP, btw)? The compression straps are standard 1" wide milspec nylon, and are easily capable of doing their job and lasting forever. They are attached to the ventral side of the pack, and wrap around the dorsal flap of the pack. They compress the pack, take strain from the main zipper, and also will close the main compt if the main zipper should fail. The bottom of the pack is single layer (500d) woodland fabric with a packcloth layer bonded to it on the inside. I suppose you might call the 5 full-width rows of 1" MOLLE webbing on the bottom reinforcements of a sort. I think most folks are going to carry a rolled-up something or other strapped to the bottom, but if not, a couple of pouches attached to the bottom could serve as replaceable buffers of a sort. |
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Add a Woodland Molle Sustainment Pouch on the lower sides to expand your total carry capacity. I can fit my Polartec Bibs, SPEAR Top, Neck Gaitor, Fleece Scarf and Seal Skins in a single Sustainment Pouch I don't think that would work, because it's too big, and the attachment points on the pack aren't in the right spots. Even if you could attach it, access to the compression straps would be blocked off. However, one could probably attach a Modular Sleep System carrier to the bottom, and that would be a huge addition to capacity. I'll try it. One could also easily attach a GI MOLLE waistbelt/waistpack, mebbe two, although the inboard unit would be a little tough to access. Both the Molle waistpack and MSS carrier are designed to be attached under another pack, so they are set up well for that application. |
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Quoted: Quoted: suspension? adjustable points and all that fancy backpacking mumbo jumbo you know i like to ask Protus, you are one of the folks that are qualified to ask pointed questions, Ask me a question, and i"ll answer. give us a run down of. frame sheet or stays? If so what is it made out of and how much adjustment. adjustable shoulder straps ( not just at the elbow level like most packs) load lifters? on the shoulder straps and hip belt? is the belt removable? |
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suspension? adjustable points and all that fancy backpacking mumbo jumbo you know i like to ask Protus, you are one of the folks that are qualified to ask pointed questions, Ask me a question, and i"ll answer. give us a run down of. frame sheet or stays? If so what is it made out of and how much adjustment. adjustable shoulder straps ( not just at the elbow level like most packs) load lifters? on the shoulder straps and hip belt? is the belt removable? Full-width/full length frame sheet; no adjustment. Dunno what it's made of because it's encapsulated by fabric. Rigid enough to allow the waistbelt to take up most of the weight of the pack, like a real waistbelt should be able to do. Shoulder straps have adjustments top and bottom. No provision for QD of shoulder straps, but such can be added if desired. Load-lifter straps buckle to top of back and to a point on upper part of shoulder strap; completely adjustable. No load-lifter (or any other) auxiliary straps on waistbelt, save those attached to the belt-mounted pouches. Waistbelt is permanently attached to the pack. |
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Mine comes in today in OD Green, will post up some pics of the loadout, etc possibly tonight.
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I LOVE THIS PACK!!! It's amazing for the price. My cheapo LAPG bag is NO COMPARISON! http://citythis.com/pics/sds-bob.jpg Thanks for the pix; nice to show a comparison with the LAPG pack. Being OD, yours has the "Brickhouse" fabric, correct? For $85, these packs are a no-brainer. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I LOVE THIS PACK!!! It's amazing for the price. My cheapo LAPG bag is NO COMPARISON! http://citythis.com/pics/sds-bob.jpg Thanks for the pix; nice to show a comparison with the LAPG pack. Being OD, yours has the "Brickhouse" fabric, correct? For $85, these packs are a no-brainer. Yes the fabrick is "Brickhouse". It is not as thick as cordura but not as thin as nylon, weird to explain. The strap/back padding is thinner than I expected, but the way it's designed makes it very comfortable. I'm 5'9 and I had to tighten the shoulder straps all the way down almost for it to fit right on my back, but with the waist belt attached, ALL the stuff you see in the photo fits COMFORTABLY. Also, the black pack in the photos is not the LAPG pack; it's my USMC issue compression sack for wool/sleeping bag/tent roll-up. This is the LAPG bag: http://www.lapolicegear.com/diplomat-3-day-backpack1.html |
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For $85, these packs are a no-brainer. Exacty! I wanted to post a more complete review but haven't had time. The brickhouse is interesting, almost make it less tactical looking. The coyote is a good color, not close to my TT coyote gear, but at this point I don't see a need to add pouches. The "padding" is interesting, not sure how the nylon bubblewrap will hold up after repeated wear but only one way to find out. Have either of you decided what to put in the thin pocket behind the front pockets? MattyV. I do the same thing with two chem sticks. Looks like a good setup. |
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Quoted: Quoted: For $85, these packs are a no-brainer. Exacty! I wanted to post a more complete review but haven't had time. The brickhouse is interesting, almost make it less tactical looking. The coyote is a good color, not close to my TT coyote gear, but at this point I don't see a need to add pouches. The "padding" is interesting, not sure how the nylon bubblewrap will hold up after repeated wear but only one way to find out. Have either of you decided what to put in the thin pocket behind the front pockets? MattyV. I do the same thing with two chem sticks. Looks like a good setup. If you notice in the pic of what's in the bag; towards the top and right you can see en entrenchment tool and a 5" fixed blade knife next to the tomahawk (Which didnt go in there). I placed both of those in that 'snap pocket' behind the front pocket. You can kind of see the top of the handle of the entrenchment tool in the filled pack pictures. The only problem I see with the pack, is with that pocket. There are no drain rivets or drain holes, so if that pocket is full or open and it rains, it seems like it would fill with water... |
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From BRider: "Have either of you decided what to put in the thin pocket behind the front pockets?"
If I understand you correctly, you're referring to the thin pocket, accessed by the single vertical zipper, and which pocket is as wide and as tall as the entire back (main) flap of the pack. I dunno yet. Mebbe things that you don't want buried in the main compartment, but are too big to fit in the two pockets on the flap. A hatchet comes to mind, mebbe a small folding saw. Maps might be another item. Items stored there are going to have to be of a shape/size to fit in the pocket, but in some instances, that can be overcome by packaging. For example, a rainsuit/poncho would fit, as well as correct size baggies of sox/underwear, etc. |
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Is the waist belt removable? I am looking to buy an SDS engage and remove the waistbelt and use it as a city/day pack and buy a conflict for work use
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Is the waist belt removable? I am looking to buy an SDS engage and remove the waistbelt and use it as a city/day pack and buy a conflict for work use The Conflict's waistbelt is not removeable. It is a true waistbelt, and will carry most of the weight of the pack. It is not a belly band, which serves only to help keep the pack from flopping around, but which can carry no appreciable weight. |
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Is the waist belt removable? I am looking to buy an SDS engage and remove the waistbelt and use it as a city/day pack and buy a conflict for work use The Conflict's waistbelt is not removeable. It is a true waistbelt, and will carry most of the weight of the pack. It is not a belly band, which serves only to help keep the pack from flopping around, but which can carry no appreciable weight. Thanks! I went ahead and ordered a Conflict and Engage. Im looking forward to getting these in a couple weeks. Feel free to post your impressions of either or both here. |
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Three questions...does it have a hydration port and pocket for camelbacks etc. and are the shoulder straps padded comfortably and is it comfortable under 40 pound loads? Thanks.
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Three questions...does it have a hydration port and pocket for camelbacks etc. and are the shoulder straps padded comfortably and is it comfortable under 40 pound loads? Thanks. The location and size of the hyd bladder pocket is in review. No ports, per se, the hose exits the pocket on either side of the snapped flap, which is actually preferable, as there is less liklihood of water ingress into the pack. The shoulder straps and padding are discussed in review. Weather has prohibited anything but the briefest field trials, but under 40# should not be a problem. The pack might prove capable of carrying more weight than that, stand by for possible updates as conditions allow. |
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Three questions...does it have a hydration port and pocket for camelbacks etc. and are the shoulder straps padded comfortably and is it comfortable under 40 pound loads? Thanks. The location and size of the hyd bladder pocket is in review. No ports, per se, the hose exits the pocket on either side of the snapped flap, which is actually preferable, as there is less liklihood of water ingress into the pack. The shoulder straps and padding are discussed in review. Weather has prohibited anything but the briefest field trials, but under 40# should not be a problem. The pack might prove capable of carrying more weight than that, stand by for possible updates as conditions allow. I am sorry must of missed it Thabks for responding to a retarted post then |
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hey I have that Tac Bag they have on sale, there's a blast from the past.
SDS is "okay' from what I have seen. Looks like an okay small pack, I like woodland camo
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is the waist belt removable? I am looking to buy an SDS engage and remove the waistbelt and use it as a city/day pack and buy a conflict for work use The Conflict's waistbelt is not removeable. It is a true waistbelt, and will carry most of the weight of the pack. It is not a belly band, which serves only to help keep the pack from flopping around, but which can carry no appreciable weight. Thanks! I went ahead and ordered a Conflict and Engage. Im looking forward to getting these in a couple weeks. Feel free to post your impressions of either or both here. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=337516&page=1 Thats my impression of the Engage...and yea I did cut the belt off I havent even take the tag off of my conflict yet, its been sitting in the closet for over a week. |
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No raf...
no no no No matter how many pics you post I will not buy another pack. you can't make me |
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No raf... no no no No matter how many pics you post I will not buy another pack. you can't make me Well, I don't want to make you do anything you don't want to do, BUT the Conflict, IMHO is way underpriced for what it is, and represents an excellent value for the money spent. I have no idea how long they have been "On Sale" at Entrygear.com, but it has been for a while, though. No idea when the sale will end, either. |
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