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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:03:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currahee: For dragging them I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights.  
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Currahee: For dragging them I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg I might have missed it, but how much length are you using for your setup? |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:00:01 PM EDT
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Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I’ve seen.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:17:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Currahee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I've seen. It's the way I'd do it if I had a team training to a high standard. As I've got mine it's just (something to give me) an option I'm testing. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I’ve seen.  Setting up your plate carrier for real combat: Afghan Deployment 19:20 |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Space-Cadet: I might have missed it, but how much length are you using for your setup? About 12' total. Gives you about a 4' lanyard. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 5:46:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Currahee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg ETA non commietube link. Stukas87 is his screen name. This video is what made me want to explore options other than depending on the drag handle. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 2:31:16 AM EDT
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plate carrier with long drag handle. It was designed that way as requested by Operations.
stowed  deployed 
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Posted: 7/5/2023 8:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: That is the best way with regard to comfort of the individual. It isn't the best way if you are taking fire. It takes too much time to set up and limits you to pulling a single line which means you are forced to walk backwards and it's hard to do prone if you have to crawl, as opposed to tossing it over your waist and walking forward. It also doesn't work if the guy is missing an arm and can take more time depending on how he individual is laying on the ground. If the arm is pinned to the ground you have to roll the guy around before you can loop the line under the armpit. I've gone through a LOT of training iterations of this and a few live runs and the SOP always shakes out to nylon run through the carrier. You can access it with the casualty in pretty much any position. The only revision i've made was swapping rubber bands for a velcro quick pull tab, I can get pictures of that later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By cap6888: A webbing method I have seen that seems to work well is the following; Run the running end under their torso just under their armpits Take the working end and pass it through the loop at the tip of the running end Pull the working end tight to cinch it around the body then drag. Not sure if that makes sense the way I typed it. The PC kind of acts as a cushion between the body and webbing. Plus cinching it tight and being under the armpits prevents the PC from pulling off. It’s only meant to move someone from a danger area to better cover. That is the best way with regard to comfort of the individual. It isn't the best way if you are taking fire. It takes too much time to set up and limits you to pulling a single line which means you are forced to walk backwards and it's hard to do prone if you have to crawl, as opposed to tossing it over your waist and walking forward. It also doesn't work if the guy is missing an arm and can take more time depending on how he individual is laying on the ground. If the arm is pinned to the ground you have to roll the guy around before you can loop the line under the armpit. I've gone through a LOT of training iterations of this and a few live runs and the SOP always shakes out to nylon run through the carrier. You can access it with the casualty in pretty much any position. The only revision i've made was swapping rubber bands for a velcro quick pull tab, I can get pictures of that later. I really wish my unit would make this style of drag strap SOP. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 1:00:32 PM EDT
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Looks like Spiritus made a fancy version of the strap.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 8:51:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Yup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Yup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). Stukas87 |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 8:58:16 AM EDT
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It looks harder to control due to being further away from the center of gravity. Having dragged quite a few IBA handles, I think I would rather it be like it is. Imagine having to turn a corner/doorway with the extended handle. If there is no room for a wide turn you are going to be slipping your hands into the plate carrier to make the turn anyway. Just my .02. I’m no SME, nor have I used an extended handle.
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat is this? |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:55:00 AM EDT
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Speaking of drag handles...
New plate carrier that has an integrated extendable drag handle that is sewn all the way to the bottom inside of the plate carrier. Iterations of this plate carrier were tested by some special people in the MIL and FLEO overseas in the ME and in CONUS. 
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Posted: 7/10/2023 4:18:52 AM EDT
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As you see on my previous pic an extendable carry handle was issued around 2012, a slightly different design but designed around the SOPs and the way of carrying that guys devised at the time. That shape of handle and webbing was influenced by the way you'd grab a soft stretcher, as learned in medical course. emergency drag wasn't done by looping a cord around the carrier's waist (as you can see that handle of mine wouldn't allow it)
Note that i still prefer having a non extendable carry handle too. Incidentally at the time there were SOPs for stack movements that involved the need for a fixed short emergency carry handle. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 8:21:25 PM EDT
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Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2023 8:52:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG The nice thing about those Beez offerings are: - many options - PALS grid is accessible from both front and back |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 6:22:03 AM EDT
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Someone had made a one piece M05 rig with PALS webbing on it or had some place make it.
I had a sewing shop - Put the velcro on for the placard ( I removed the PALS before that ) - Zipper for admin/general pouch - Side zipper for opening the rig However the lady misunderstood my instructions and I removed the zip she had put on and I sew/rigged the QR buckle on. I will fix the strap ends to be more flat and I might change the buckles to smaller ones on the harness. I will also remove the G hooks from the placard and secure the placard with some type of attachment/loop.      |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 6:37:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tuukka]
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PC and belt
PC has Särmä TST LVPC plate bags, pretty new and havent used it much yet. Includes - Cheap MC Tropic placard that I took the tight inserts off and sew in better fitting ones - BFG Ten Speed Double that I glued M05 fabric on, lets see how long until they rip off  - Elastic single AR pouch - M05 hanger and M05 med pouch in the bag ( bought these second hand ) - Iirc a Templar cummerbund   Wanted gel/mesh type shoulder pads so made some by hand from gel insoles and M05 mesh fabric, feels pretty comfortable  Belt is a Frogpro inner/outer belt Includes - Helikon Tex AR mag insert for bags etc, works pretty well for a TQ pouch on the belt also - Safariland ALS holster - M05 Leatherman pouch - Eagle Ind dump pouch - Iisakki Järvenpää puukko - M05 AR pouch - BFG double pistol pouch   |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 10:18:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RedFox1911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuukka: PC and belt PC has Särmä TST LVPC plate bags, pretty new and havent used it much yet. Includes - Cheap MC Tropic placard that I took the tight inserts off and sew in better fitting ones - BFG Ten Speed Double that I glued M05 fabric on, lets see how long until they rip off - Elastic single AR pouch - M05 hanger and M05 bed pouch in the bag ( bought these second hand ) - Iirc a Templar cummerbund https://i.imgur.com/ClLnyjW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/I0Q9xVS.jpg Wanted gel/mesh type shoulder pads so made some by hand from gel insoles and M05 mesh fabric, feels pretty comfortable https://i.imgur.com/opPjlM7.jpg Belt is a Frogpro inner/outer belt Includes - Helikon Tex AR mag insert for bags etc, works pretty well for a TQ pouch on the belt also - Safariland ALS holster - M05 Leatherman pouch - Eagle Ind dump pouch - Iisakki Järvenpää puukko - M05 AR pouch - BFG double pistol pouch https://i.imgur.com/udHRVs4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gFWBpuE.jpg M05 is sick. Not really available here though. How did you wrap the holster? I have a black safariland I need to fix. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 10:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedFox1911: M05 is sick. Not really available here though. How did you wrap the holster? I have a black safariland I need to fix. You can get M05 gear and clothing from Varusteleka for example, they sell a lot to the U.S. I removed the OD green wrap from the holster. Then just used some type of fabric glue and pressed it on by hand and with the end of a marker pen. Cut the excess off. Didnt take long but I wasnt striving for perfection. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:49:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:59:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. Getting ready to hit the road and make a day of it. Wont start the hike/ruck until after dark. Its gunna be hot as balls.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 10:08:23 PM EDT
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@Lungbuster
I was able to put some miles on the chest rig Saturday night. I am quite happy with the Beez Combat expansion wings. Would highly recommend. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 7:34:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: @Lungbuster I was able to put some miles on the chest rig Saturday night. I am quite happy with the Beez Combat expansion wings. Would highly recommend. Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 10:05:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DisposableHero]
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This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc.
Based on a BFG Beltminus V1. Edit: Removed the extra Esstac Kywi
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed.     
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:45:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg I'm kinda of diggin this set up!! |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 1:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg You post good content. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 4:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg Looks like you put a lot of thought into that. I dig it. I should have picked up a BELTMinus when BFG was blowing out the first version. |
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Posted: 8/7/2023 2:24:03 PM EDT
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Used the PC and belt now at this years Finnish military reserve 3-gun championships. Worked well and was comfortable
Placed 4th in TST class out of 66 shooters. Just behind an IPSC team mate who took bronze and another local friend was just behind me as fifth. TST class has a 12 kg / 26 lbs minimum gear weight with a list of mandatory items, I had c. 15 kg / 33 lbs on. I was 15th out of 251 shooters in combined overall ( most shooting with no gear on ) Funny enough us three local guys would have been silver in Open class team if we would have been a team, not bad with gear on against folks with pretty much a pistol belt and a rifle mag pouch etc. Footage here https://www.instagram.com/tuukkajokinen/ |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 7:42:45 PM EDT
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Got this chestrig about 99% where I want it. Maybe a few small tweaks but nothing major. Pardon the dirty basement
 Tracer tactical stout scout, mix of spiritus and tracer inserts, BFG admin pouch/pistol ten speeds/boo boo pouch, spiritus dangler with medical, Axl half zip. Can fit an 8th mag on the back left side with ten speed pouch there. Mayflower shoulder harness.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 12:21:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 12:01:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 3:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: @MrM1A1 What pack is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: @MrM1A1 What pack is that? GI surplus Tyr Tactical Huron SOF Assaulters Pack. |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 2:32:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Currahee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuukka: Used the PC and belt now at this years Finnish military reserve 3-gun championships. Worked well and was comfortable Placed 4th in TST class out of 66 shooters. Just behind an IPSC team mate who took bronze and another local friend was just behind me as fifth. TST class has a 12 kg / 26 lbs minimum gear weight with a list of mandatory items, I had c. 15 kg / 33 lbs on. I was 15th out of 251 shooters in combined overall ( most shooting with no gear on ) Funny enough us three local guys would have been silver in Open class team if we would have been a team, not bad with gear on against folks with pretty much a pistol belt and a rifle mag pouch etc. Footage here https://www.instagram.com/tuukkajokinen/ Action shooting is an awesome way to get used to and test gear. |
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Posted: 10/31/2023 1:47:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2023 10:54:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2024 11:12:36 PM EDT
[#39]
 Main loadouts I'm keeping available while I'm moving and in an apartment for a while.  Blasters to accompany them. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 5:41:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 5:55:55 PM EDT
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Love the desert tiger stripe.
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Posted: 4/2/2024 5:58:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Love the desert tiger stripe. Thanks dude! It's been fun trying to collect dts stuff |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 6:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: Thanks dude! It's been fun trying to collect dts stuff OPFOR was using it back in the late 90s at AP Hill. Fell in love with it then. Just never found the need to have any due to my AO. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 6:07:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: OPFOR was using it back in the late 90s at AP Hill. Fell in love with it then. Just never found the need to have any due to my AO. Honestly, most modern combat camo's work well enough in almost any environment. Sure some may be better than others at blending in but that's not really their job. If you approach it as simply breaking up the silhouette you'd be hard pressed to find any modern pattern that didn't work. Buy what you like. I've seen a dude in dts literally disappear in Michigan deciduous forests in summertime (ie really green) If you're really wanting to blend in then it's time to veg up. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:34:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joeviterbo]
[#45]
Will try this set up on a upcoming reserve training. Possibile major adjustment still to be made
 Ars arma Jpc Tactical tailor utility pouch Tasmanian Tiger stretch M4 2*1 pouch. Eagle industries double Mag pouch Tag radio pouch (most likely a waterbottle carrier) Mordor tac zip off backpack (thermal panel, water, rainjacket, food, nvg) Hsgi ifak Tasmanian Tiger smoke grenade pouch Unknown 3a ballistic belt Virtus suapenders Eagle industries double pistol pouch Osprey single Mag pouch Tasmanian Tiger dump pouch Utactic Ifak US army surplus med pouch (k9 ifak) London bridge trading Universal holster. Protec helmet (maybe to be changed) and issue Patrol pack for administrative movements. A similar sized Med bag Will be used too. Mounted on a torso mannequin to appreciate more or less how it Will fit and how the blast belt paired with Just a plate carrier Will leave a big gap, while with soft insert there May be some continuity.    For reference this was from few years ago for a similar training course. 
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KS, USA
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Posted: Today 12:02:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Since there are several "post your ___" here threads, I'm not sure if this is the correct spot for cool guy, gear in use photos, but here goes. This is a continuation from my post in the Plate Carrier thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Plate-carrier-thread--This-is-NOW-a-post-pics-of-your-Plate-Carrier-THREAD-/10-342310/?page=159#i6073724
A friend drove up from Texas unexpectedly this weekend (bad marital separation, had to get out of the house), and we decided to get some range time in and LARP in the woods. Photo dump first:        As for the gear (ya know, the point of this entire thread), the kit mostly worked as intended. Few points: The Good The plate carrier was as comfy as possible, and played well with the battle belt. I had no issues getting to anything on the kit, or moving around in it. I liked having the option of putting my field top in the AVS zip-on pack when I put on the combat shirt, so that concept seems sound. One thing that I was worried about was the relatively small and thin Tight Chutes sling replacing my V-Tac slings. It worked fine, though I do miss the ability of the V-Tac to be over tightened. The Bad The ACH and my Walker's didn't play well together. I really couldn't stand how tightly compressed my head felt trying to wear both of them. This seems especially odd since I've worn both together before around the house, but no matter what I tried, nothing seemed to make it work. Definitely something to work on, and maybe even consider a high cut helmet. I'm resistant to those, because I don't want to give up the extra side pieces, but may have to consider it. The other issue I ran into was using the zip on pack to hold a CamelBak. It was advertised as holding one, but it would not fit for anything. I'm going to have to figure that issue out, or I'll have to abandon the zip-on panel, or go without a hydration bladder. |
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