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Originally Posted By daemon734: I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Currahee: For dragging them I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg I might have missed it, but how much length are you using for your setup? |
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Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I’ve seen.
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Originally Posted By cap6888: Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I've seen. View Quote It's the way I'd do it if I had a team training to a high standard. As I've got mine it's just (something to give me) an option I'm testing. |
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Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case of the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free state. -T Jefferson
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Originally Posted By cap6888: Not sure if it was here, or YouTube. I remember someone talking about running the webbing through the PC and to a carabiner around the belt. Another option I’ve seen. View Quote Setting up your plate carrier for real combat: Afghan Deployment 19:20 |
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View Quote Yup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). |
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Originally Posted By daemon734: I'm assuming under fire? If you don't want to end up in the same spot as your buddy assume less than 3-5 seconds from start to finish behind cover, and that's with somebody providing suppression. If somebody gets shot in a doorway you want to be able to reach over and grab the lanyard without ever entering the choke point, versus spending a couple seconds exposed in the door positioning the casualty and rigging him up. The velcro quick tab, we made these several years ago after one of the guys got the lanyard caught on the seat in a chinook, popping the rubber band. We've used them in two minefield extractions and a half dozen firefights. https://i.imgur.com/N9K1Uld.jpg https://i.imgur.com/atJz0kj.jpg View Quote ETA non commietube link. Stukas87 is his screen name. This video is what made me want to explore options other than depending on the drag handle. |
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Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case of the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free state. -T Jefferson
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Originally Posted By daemon734: That is the best way with regard to comfort of the individual. It isn't the best way if you are taking fire. It takes too much time to set up and limits you to pulling a single line which means you are forced to walk backwards and it's hard to do prone if you have to crawl, as opposed to tossing it over your waist and walking forward. It also doesn't work if the guy is missing an arm and can take more time depending on how he individual is laying on the ground. If the arm is pinned to the ground you have to roll the guy around before you can loop the line under the armpit. I've gone through a LOT of training iterations of this and a few live runs and the SOP always shakes out to nylon run through the carrier. You can access it with the casualty in pretty much any position. The only revision i've made was swapping rubber bands for a velcro quick pull tab, I can get pictures of that later. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By cap6888: A webbing method I have seen that seems to work well is the following; Run the running end under their torso just under their armpits Take the working end and pass it through the loop at the tip of the running end Pull the working end tight to cinch it around the body then drag. Not sure if that makes sense the way I typed it. The PC kind of acts as a cushion between the body and webbing. Plus cinching it tight and being under the armpits prevents the PC from pulling off. It’s only meant to move someone from a danger area to better cover. That is the best way with regard to comfort of the individual. It isn't the best way if you are taking fire. It takes too much time to set up and limits you to pulling a single line which means you are forced to walk backwards and it's hard to do prone if you have to crawl, as opposed to tossing it over your waist and walking forward. It also doesn't work if the guy is missing an arm and can take more time depending on how he individual is laying on the ground. If the arm is pinned to the ground you have to roll the guy around before you can loop the line under the armpit. I've gone through a LOT of training iterations of this and a few live runs and the SOP always shakes out to nylon run through the carrier. You can access it with the casualty in pretty much any position. The only revision i've made was swapping rubber bands for a velcro quick pull tab, I can get pictures of that later. I really wish my unit would make this style of drag strap SOP. |
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Looks like Spiritus made a fancy version of the strap.
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Originally Posted By cap6888: Yup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cap6888: Yup. That’s exactly it. I believe his forum name is Stukas (plus some number behind it). Stukas87 |
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It looks harder to control due to being further away from the center of gravity. Having dragged quite a few IBA handles, I think I would rather it be like it is. Imagine having to turn a corner/doorway with the extended handle. If there is no room for a wide turn you are going to be slipping your hands into the plate carrier to make the turn anyway. Just my .02. I’m no SME, nor have I used an extended handle.
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Originally Posted By ews: https://i.imgur.com/yk6r5tU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yESac3O.jpg https://i.imgur.com/j8moOQG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OoJbAoE.jpg View Quote What is this? |
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As you see on my previous pic an extendable carry handle was issued around 2012, a slightly different design but designed around the SOPs and the way of carrying that guys devised at the time. That shape of handle and webbing was influenced by the way you'd grab a soft stretcher, as learned in medical course. emergency drag wasn't done by looping a cord around the carrier's waist (as you can see that handle of mine wouldn't allow it)
Note that i still prefer having a non extendable carry handle too. Incidentally at the time there were SOPs for stack movements that involved the need for a fixed short emergency carry handle. |
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Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides.
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Originally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG View Quote The nice thing about those Beez offerings are: - many options - PALS grid is accessible from both front and back |
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Originally Posted By Tuukka: PC and belt PC has Särmä TST LVPC plate bags, pretty new and havent used it much yet. Includes - Cheap MC Tropic placard that I took the tight inserts off and sew in better fitting ones - BFG Ten Speed Double that I glued M05 fabric on, lets see how long until they rip off - Elastic single AR pouch - M05 hanger and M05 bed pouch in the bag ( bought these second hand ) - Iirc a Templar cummerbund https://i.imgur.com/ClLnyjW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/I0Q9xVS.jpg Wanted gel/mesh type shoulder pads so made some by hand from gel insoles and M05 mesh fabric, feels pretty comfortable https://i.imgur.com/opPjlM7.jpg Belt is a Frogpro inner/outer belt Includes - Helikon Tex AR mag insert for bags etc, works pretty well for a TQ pouch on the belt also - Safariland ALS holster - M05 Leatherman pouch - Eagle Ind dump pouch - Iisakki Järvenpää puukko - M05 AR pouch - BFG double pistol pouch https://i.imgur.com/udHRVs4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gFWBpuE.jpg View Quote M05 is sick. Not really available here though. How did you wrap the holster? I have a black safariland I need to fix. |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: M05 is sick. Not really available here though. How did you wrap the holster? I have a black safariland I need to fix. View Quote You can get M05 gear and clothing from Varusteleka for example, they sell a lot to the U.S. I removed the OD green wrap from the holster. Then just used some type of fabric glue and pressed it on by hand and with the end of a marker pen. Cut the excess off. Didnt take long but I wasnt striving for perfection. |
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Originally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG View Quote @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. |
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Originally Posted By Lungbuster: @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lungbuster: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Still working with these expander wings for the Haley rig. I have a ruck this weekend to see how it all rides. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_4338_jpeg-2896908.JPG @Shootindave How did they work? I was thinking about picking up some to try on a Haley micro-rig. Getting ready to hit the road and make a day of it. Wont start the hike/ruck until after dark. Its gunna be hot as balls. Attached File |
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@Lungbuster
I was able to put some miles on the chest rig Saturday night. I am quite happy with the Beez Combat expansion wings. Would highly recommend. |
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Than there came from hunting, the weather-eyed shooter.
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Originally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg View Quote I'm kinda of diggin this set up!! |
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Originally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg View Quote You post good content. |
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Originally Posted By DisposableHero: This has quickly become my go-to setup for most things. Training, Run & gun matches, [theoretical] civil defense, etc. Based on a BFG Beltminus V1.
I have an open space on the left side in the photos. This is some utility space that gets swapped out frequently. Typically it's a radio pouch or another double mag pouch. The Jungle GP pouches usually have canteens in them, but they're large enough hold many things. The Spiritus GP pouch holds whatever I need for the day like shot timers, notebooks, binoculars, snacks, etc. The two front most items (speed reload and TQ pouch) are elevated slightly higher to make sure they don't interfere with my legs when going up stairs/terrain. The whole system works well with an additional assault pack, so I can expand capacity that way when needed. https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-front.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-left.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-rear.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minutemna-right.jpeg https://everydaymarksman.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/minuteman-a5.jpeg View Quote Looks like you put a lot of thought into that. I dig it. I should have picked up a BELTMinus when BFG was blowing out the first version. |
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"What is socialism? The most difficult and tortuous way to progress from capitalism to capitalism." -Stated at an intel conference, East Berlin, Oct. 1988
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Used the PC and belt now at this years Finnish military reserve 3-gun championships. Worked well and was comfortable
Placed 4th in TST class out of 66 shooters. Just behind an IPSC team mate who took bronze and another local friend was just behind me as fifth. TST class has a 12 kg / 26 lbs minimum gear weight with a list of mandatory items, I had c. 15 kg / 33 lbs on. I was 15th out of 251 shooters in combined overall ( most shooting with no gear on ) Funny enough us three local guys would have been silver in Open class team if we would have been a team, not bad with gear on against folks with pretty much a pistol belt and a rifle mag pouch etc. Footage here https://www.instagram.com/tuukkajokinen/ |
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Got this chestrig about 99% where I want it. Maybe a few small tweaks but nothing major. Pardon the dirty basement
Tracer tactical stout scout, mix of spiritus and tracer inserts, BFG admin pouch/pistol ten speeds/boo boo pouch, spiritus dangler with medical, Axl half zip. Can fit an 8th mag on the back left side with ten speed pouch there. Mayflower shoulder harness. Attached File Attached File |
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Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. Psalm 144:1
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View Quote @MrM1A1 What pack is that? |
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Originally Posted By Bourbonator: @MrM1A1 What pack is that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bourbonator: @MrM1A1 What pack is that? GI surplus Tyr Tactical Huron SOF Assaulters Pack. |
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Originally Posted By Tuukka: Used the PC and belt now at this years Finnish military reserve 3-gun championships. Worked well and was comfortable Placed 4th in TST class out of 66 shooters. Just behind an IPSC team mate who took bronze and another local friend was just behind me as fifth. TST class has a 12 kg / 26 lbs minimum gear weight with a list of mandatory items, I had c. 15 kg / 33 lbs on. I was 15th out of 251 shooters in combined overall ( most shooting with no gear on ) Funny enough us three local guys would have been silver in Open class team if we would have been a team, not bad with gear on against folks with pretty much a pistol belt and a rifle mag pouch etc. Footage here https://www.instagram.com/tuukkajokinen/ View Quote Action shooting is an awesome way to get used to and test gear. |
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Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case of the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free state. -T Jefferson
https://everycitizenasoldier.blogspot.com/ |
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Familiarity and prolonged exposure without incident leads to a loss of appreciation of risk.
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
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RS Callsign Mayhem Midget
"I'll come for the killing and stay for the cheesecake" SSgt Jason A Decker. 11/6/09 |
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Love the desert tiger stripe.
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Originally Posted By cap6888: OPFOR was using it back in the late 90s at AP Hill. Fell in love with it then. Just never found the need to have any due to my AO. View Quote Honestly, most modern combat camo's work well enough in almost any environment. Sure some may be better than others at blending in but that's not really their job. If you approach it as simply breaking up the silhouette you'd be hard pressed to find any modern pattern that didn't work. Buy what you like. I've seen a dude in dts literally disappear in Michigan deciduous forests in summertime (ie really green) If you're really wanting to blend in then it's time to veg up. |
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