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Posted: 6/13/2010 12:16:50 PM
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I recently picked up a pair of Tru-Spec TRU Pro-G bdu's in Coyote. I got mine from Desert Deuce but they are also available at OPSGear as well.

The material is a 65/35 Poly/Cotton ripstop.

So far, my first impressions are very favorable. I'll get some more pics up of them outdoors soon. Also, I havent forgotten about doing some night vision shots with the others both with, and without, IR illumination, just havent had a chance to get to it. I'll be including these when I do.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Coyote/Coyote2.jpg


So what's the verdict on these quality wise? Are they truely darker than khaki?

I love my BDU pants in Khaki.. but they might as well be white..


Yes, they are darker than Khaki for sure. I'll try to get a shot of the two together. So far, quality seems to be good as they are holding up fine to quite a bit of washing and wearing.



Coyote Tru-Spec pants next to some Propper Khaki pants.




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Posted: 6/13/2010 12:28:23 PM
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
anyone took pics of the camo while wearing gear to test how it all looks/blends?

say, Marpat or Multicam in coyote vest or marpat with multicam gear.. etc etc



Here are some pics with gear. The gear used is in the following order in each series. Custom made solution dyed Coyote rig, Tactical Tailor Digital Woodland MAV rig, and my custom made Multicam rig.

Tru-Spec Pro-G Digital Woodland








Tru-Spec TRU Coyote








SKD Multicam








Propper Digital Woodland








Propper Digital Desert





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Posted: 6/13/2010 12:36:25 PM
Just to compare the Tru-Spec and Propper Digital Woodlands a little easier.....

Tru-Spec...........................................................................................................................................Propper

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Posted: 6/13/2010 12:51:00 PM
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Here is some new camo I just got in. It is called Multiland, from Defcon 5 in Italy. The camera makes it look more vibrant that it really is.
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/blackhawk67601/camo%20pics/100_1442.jpg

Here it is with my gear.
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/blackhawk67601/camo%20pics/100_1443.jpg

With Temperate Vegatata, Propper multicam, and Platatac's Platacam.
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/blackhawk67601/camo%20pics/100_1444.jpg

And with multicam.
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/blackhawk67601/camo%20pics/100_1445.jpg

I will try to get some field pics soon.


Multiland was a test camo that Defcon offered to our Alpine troops but they've never adopted it....it's basically a Vegetata camo with Multicam colors.
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Posted: 6/13/2010 5:57:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
Just to compare the Tru-Spec and Propper Digital Woodlands a little easier.....

Tru-Spec...........................................................................................................................................Propper

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Camo%20comparison/Truwood1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Camo%20comparison/Propwood1.jpg


The pics are outstanding and really help in deciding on not only the camo pattern but the accessories to go with it. That Coyote Brown doesn't look half bad with the Multicam.

THANKS HAWKEYE!
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Posted: 6/13/2010 6:18:49 PM
For me, I think that Coyote is pretty universal. It blends well with just about anything.


Also, side note....I think I've figured out the difference between the Propper and Tru-Spec Digital Woodlands.... To me, it seems like the Tru-Spec has more brown in it, and the Propper has more green.
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Posted: 6/13/2010 7:33:11 PM
yeah I agree coyote brown works with everything. all of my go to gear is coyote
works with everything and almost anywhere and doesnt stand out on multicam or marpat
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Posted: 6/14/2010 3:46:57 PM
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
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Originally Posted By jonathon:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
I recently picked up a pair of Tru-Spec TRU Pro-G bdu's in Coyote. I got mine from Desert Deuce but they are also available at OPSGear as well.

The material is a 65/35 Poly/Cotton ripstop.

So far, my first impressions are very favorable. I'll get some more pics up of them outdoors soon. Also, I havent forgotten about doing some night vision shots with the others both with, and without, IR illumination, just havent had a chance to get to it. I'll be including these when I do.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Coyote/Coyote2.jpg


So what's the verdict on these quality wise? Are they truely darker than khaki?

I love my BDU pants in Khaki.. but they might as well be white..


Yes, they are darker than Khaki for sure. I'll try to get a shot of the two together. So far, quality seems to be good as they are holding up fine to quite a bit of washing and wearing.



Coyote Tru-Spec pants next to some Propper Khaki pants.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Camo%20comparison/Coykhaki.jpg



Awesome thank you! I assume the Tru Specs are a zipper fly as well?
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Posted: 6/14/2010 4:06:12 PM
No, they are button.
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Posted: 6/14/2010 4:13:23 PM
Even better thanks!
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Posted: 6/22/2010 12:19:18 PM
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Hawkeye,
Nice work. I've done similar testing before. I'd have to look up all the old pics and scan them. The video was a good idea, as movement and such make a big difference. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get the video to play on this computer, and I'll have to check it out later.

A couple suggestions, if I may...

I'd like to see more environments. I think you'd get different results looking at more of a pine forest, palmetto field, swamp (talking lots of mud and water here), etc. I'd like to see other colors too. I know you lean toward coyote, but OD (or smoke or ranger) green would addtionally make a good base to compare all of these other patterns too. I'd like to see DPM, desert DPM, Flektarn, the desert tiger stripe (as I am a fan as well), and some of the other tiger stripe patterns too. These are all readily available through multiple sources (sportsmansguide and ebay come to mind), vs. some of the exotics that a lot of us will probably never be able to pick up.

I'd suggest trying to mix colors too. Some environments will be one color at the base (dirt, mud browns), and another above waist level (foilage greens). I had good success with woodland BDU pants and a DPM top while playing paintball back in the day. Hard as heck to see. Speaking of which, are you doing airsoft or any force on force to try this out. Maybe play hide and seek with the boys and get them to find you while dressed in various colors. I know you said it was for "serious use" at the beginning, so I was just looking to put that into context.

Also, I would like to see some closer shots like GuyKeefer did on page 6. The further the distance the less any of these patterns are going to matter, so I'm not sure how viable the long distance shots are; ie. the desert digitals will stand out a whole lot more than the darker colors up close.

Oh, and isn't there some black in the woodland digital/Marpat? I thought that glowed like neon and guaranteed you will be shot instantly! *sarcasm*

Just my .02, and it this is outside the realm of your testing, then I apologize.

The results of my experience, and my personal opinion, is that it's basic camouflage techniques that will make or break a guy. Base colors, such as OD/Coyote will work just as well. Most of these patterns will be covered in shades of sand, mud, sweat, etc. after more than an afternoon of "real" woods movement anyway. Another benefit is that OD and Coyote don't stand out as much to the general population when I'm not in the woods. Seeing as how there is so much green in Florida, I lean toward OD stuff. That is not to knock coyote, multicam, etc. Just had to pick one, and that's what I went with.

Look forward to seeing more.

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Posted: 6/22/2010 5:12:44 PM
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Im sure your more then welcome to post up your test shots.

I would love to do all of your suggestions, but I dont really want to spend hundreds of bucks buying camo patterns just for testing and I doubt anyone else will either. I suggest to everyone that is interested in these tests, if you have a camo pattern not shown already, to go take some pics adn post them up. I am never going to buy DPM or flectarn so waiting on someone liek me to test it may be a long wait. So if you got some please do some tests. We can all learn that way instead
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Hawkeye, have you considered doing some T&E on some A-Tacs?
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Posted: 8/29/2010 12:41:39 AM
great thread. Let me post pics I found online of various camos ( some are airsoft but shows camos in various environments)

usgi woodland::



marpat vs multicam vs woodland:



issue Multicam vs Marpat ( or aor1?):







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Hawkeye, have you considered doing some T&E on some A-Tacs?


Yes, depending on the price once its available...
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I was just reading some article online about the switch to Multicam for the Army

It was interesting to read their plans about gear to go with it.

the idea was to have the g ear blend better or look just like the cammo. they where saying that in the case of the USMC using coyote that is not the same as Marpat, that it frames the vital zone of the person wearing it, up nicely as a aiming point, at longer range you can aim at and concentrate on the squared up tan section. and you would get a hit somewhere that matters

I like the coyote cause it seems to blend in with a lot of different camo patterns, but this makes sense to me too, hm..
any thoughts from anyone?
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Posted: 8/29/2010 5:15:24 PM
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
I was just reading some article online about the switch to Multicam for the Army

It was interesting to read their plans about gear to go with it.

the idea was to have the g ear blend better or look just like the cammo. they where saying that in the case of the USMC using coyote that is not the same as Marpat, that it frames the vital zone of the person wearing it, up nicely as a aiming point, at longer range you can aim at and concentrate on the squared up tan section. and you would get a hit somewhere that matters

I like the coyote cause it seems to blend in with a lot of different camo patterns, but this makes sense to me too, hm..
any thoughts from anyone?


Thats the same train of thought that led the Army to buy everything in ACU vs buying foliage green. My last deployment (2006-2007) we werent allowed to use any gear that wasnt ACU pattern.


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Posted: 8/29/2010 9:00:33 PM
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
I was just reading some article online about the switch to Multicam for the Army

It was interesting to read their plans about gear to go with it.

the idea was to have the g ear blend better or look just like the cammo. they where saying that in the case of the USMC using coyote that is not the same as Marpat, that it frames the vital zone of the person wearing it, up nicely as a aiming point, at longer range you can aim at and concentrate on the squared up tan section. and you would get a hit somewhere that matters

I like the coyote cause it seems to blend in with a lot of different camo patterns, but this makes sense to me too, hm..
any thoughts from anyone?


There was an article a few years back in the Infantry magazine about that. There were numerous reports of snipers using the NODs mounts on the ACH as an aiming point on soldiers. Since there isn't any black in ACUs, that black plate stuck out real bad, so I can see it happening. I'm not too sure about the coyote tan and MARPAT. It would depend on how well it blends together.
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Anybody have anything new in Camo?
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Posted: 1/7/2011 7:25:42 PM
No, but I'll see what I can do. Have really been tied up lately with some things.
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Hawkeye - What chest rig is this? It looks like a TT MAV but it is missing the side release buckles between the shoulder straps and the chest panel and has the non-slip on the strong shoulder, very nice.

Edit. Just saw where you said it was custom, did you make it or have someone else do it for you?
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Posted: 1/8/2011 11:16:25 PM
I still think the blocky bland patterns grounded in dull grey and mud brown earthtones are best. I've always wished I could find some camo that'd reference a Maine Whitetail's hide! I can never find those 200lbs bastards!

All joking aside, I've always been partial to the "Natural Gear" and "Predator" camo lines. Out of the two I prefer Natural Gear. The muddy grey with vertical brown overlayments always works well up this way. Of course....1/3 of the year also requires white.
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i got some new stuff. I just thought everyone stopped caring when I didnt see this thread much. I iwll try to post some pics in a few days, hopefully i can try some of them out in the snow we got
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Posted: 1/9/2011 4:42:09 PM
Propper Digital woodland left, Tru-Spec Digital Woodland middle, USMC MARPAT woodland right.


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Posted: 1/9/2011 7:00:28 PM
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
Propper Digital woodland left, Tru-Spec Digital Woodland middle, USMC MARPAT woodland right.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/Camo%20comparison/PropTruMar.jpg


You must have been reading my mind . . . I was wondering which commercial brand color depth, etc. was closest to the USMC MARPAT. It seems like the brown in the Propper is closer to the USMC and there is less green, and the green is the TruSpec is closer to the green and more brown than in the USMC and more and deeper black in the USMC than either of the other two.

Since you have them there, which do you think is closest to the USMC?

For the bottom line, do you think that if you were only going to buy one pattern, Multicam is the way to go but if you were going to go with two, the digital desert and woodland is best?

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