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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Thanks. And yeah.....that's what they all say. 
Not sure about Wolf Grey. I wouldn't rule it out, but it honestly hasn't been on my interest list. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 12:58:24 PM EDT
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That truspec All Terrain Tiger looks like it would make great late season/open country hunting camo. Any plans for testing it?
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Posted: 2/6/2017 11:11:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bosman1:
That truspec All Terrain Tiger looks like it would make great late season/open country hunting camo. Any plans for testing it? I've got a video up on it, and my buddy has a couple as well. I really like it personally.  Tru-Spec All Terrain Tiger Stripe revisit & testing.  All Terrain Tiger Effectiveness PART I  All Terrain Tiger™ Effectiveness PART II |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2017 10:19:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Awesome, thank you.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:39:28 AM EDT
[#5]
Bump.
Thanks for doing this. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:09:47 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks again for all the work you do for this Hawkeye! So, as of now, what would you says is the most effective pattern for your your AP?
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:52:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XM15M4Guy:
Thanks again for all the work you do for this Hawkeye! So, as of now, what would you says is the most effective pattern for your your AP? |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:14:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: XM15M4Guy]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Man, that's a really tough call. Speaking just for my area, Multicam works pretty good. Honestly though, I think newer patterns like All Terrain Tiger Stripe, Covert woodland, and A-Tacs iX work as well if not better. That said, I still want to try out the Covert Arid and Covert Transitional, and would like to revisit both A-Tacs AU and FG as its been some years since I did anything with them. |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:39:37 AM EDT
[#9]
Greenzone is a good pattern. The problem with it is a lack of availability in both clothing and gear (unless you order from European companies).
Choosing between iX and ATT......I can't, thus I have both.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 4:26:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PA-Minuteman]
[#10]
anyone know where I could buy a scottish camo?
I'm trying to find out what there military wear's and it's coming up a ton of different things, anyone know what they use? Also where can I buy one of those hats?! 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:44:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
anyone know where I could buy a scottish camo? I'm trying to find out what there military wear's and it's coming up a ton of different things, anyone know what they use? Also where can I buy one of those hats?! |
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Posted: 5/16/2017 9:24:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2017 11:30:40 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryAnother excellent video Hawkeye..!!
FGs are also my go-to camo for my AO from May-September. |
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Posted: 5/16/2017 5:04:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Always a good read, hawkeye, and I have learned quite a bit. In connection with your "Make Your Own" camo vid, some of the pix on my thread On Dyeing With Rit Dye might be of interest to you. I invite your comments both in that thread, and here.
As far as painted uniforms goes, I am sure that they would last longer if line-dried, as opposed to tumbled. I wonder if inverting (turning inside-out) the uniform items might help the painted areas last longer. There are some threads on "sponge-painting" hereabouts, but I think they are mostly concerned with painting AR rifles. However, the basic concept might apply to clothing, with the proper dyes used instead of paint. I haven't tried it, but I might do so. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 10:14:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf:
Always a good read, hawkeye, and I have learned quite a bit. In connection with your "Make Your Own" camo vid, some of the pix on my thread On Dyeing With Rit Dye might be of interest to you. I invite your comments both in that thread, and here. As far as painted uniforms goes, I am sure that they would last longer if line-dried, as opposed to tumbled. I wonder if inverting (turning inside-out) the uniform items might help the painted areas last longer. There are some threads on "sponge-painting" hereabouts, but I think they are mostly concerned with painting AR rifles. However, the basic concept might apply to clothing, with the proper dyes used instead of paint. I haven't tried it, but I might do so. Yes, turning them inside out definitely extends the life for sure. |
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Posted: 6/19/2017 12:46:51 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:30:54 PM EDT
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Anything new to report?
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:21:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlKev:
Anything new to report? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2018 8:59:53 AM EDT
[#19]
Keeping things alive - anything new?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2018 8:13:17 PM EDT
[#20]
I’ve been running woodland truspec tru’s for my AO. Like the pattern and the availability. You can also find cheap sets at the local army/navy to outfit a few others.
I actually got one of the 20 on the very last run of OD green eagle industries produced of their plate carrier with cumberbund. They go well together. Wished ppl still produced gear in od like they used to. I have been looking to see what would complement the od carrier also. Someone said multi cam would. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2018 9:25:23 PM EDT
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Great reviews!
I will add that the best camo is movement, or specifically, LACK of movement .... I can’t tell you how many times I have been glassing an area and had absolutely no clue something was there until I saw an ear, tail, etc move and it drew my attention....animals that depend on survival 24/7.... 365.. can teach us a lot about blending in.... something I try to teach my boys every time I am out in the woods... |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2018 9:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sdwornicki:
I worked with an officer from 4 Scots on my second tour in trashcanistan. They wore the UK version of multicam. Their BDUs are cut different to accommodate their thick ass belts and have a flap for rank on the chest. I have one set. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sdwornicki:
Originally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
anyone know where I could buy a scottish camo? I'm trying to find out what there military wear's and it's coming up a ton of different things, anyone know what they use? Also where can I buy one of those hats?! |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 9:54:31 AM EDT
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Haven't gotten my hands on anything new lately. Working on a couple of things though.
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Posted: 7/15/2018 12:37:24 AM EDT
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Bump
don't want this one to go away. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2018 1:25:32 PM EDT
[#25]
Bumping again and to say thanks to Hawkeye for doing this and brent0331 if you're on here.
Multicam really does work very well all year round, in both the sun and shaded areas. Multicam Tropic and Woodland are a bit too dark at times. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:06:15 PM EDT
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What's the latest?
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:56:06 PM EDT
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Maybe a silly question but how long do most folks go in the field before they get new issues of uniforms?
At what point do the uniforms fade/rip/deteriorate to the point where they are no longer serviceable? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 11:04:35 AM EDT
[#28]
Still here. I've got something I need to get video done on, just have to find the time.
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USA
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Posted: 10/21/2018 8:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Maybe a silly question but how long do most folks go in the field before they get new issues of uniforms? At what point do the uniforms fade/rip/deteriorate to the point where they are no longer serviceable? |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 9:29:45 AM EDT
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 AOR II revisit |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 10:47:27 AM EDT
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Concerning your vid on ATACS AU uniform, note how the gray sections of the material reflect the greenish tint of the overhead green-leaf canopy. I wonder how the uniform would look absent such green canopy, say in winter, when such canopy was not present. If the overhead canopy in your AO goes away during winter, or you can stage a similar vid in terrain without such a canopy present, you might be surprised at the difference in the appearance of the uniform.
Grey, or at least some shades of gray, have this "reflectance" capability. It might be that a completely grey uniform, under the right conditions, would reflect the green light from the canopy, and appear a more-or-less greenish colors, or at least those parts exposed to the green light from above. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:22:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf:
Concerning your vid on ATACS AU uniform, note how the gray sections of the material reflect the greenish tint of the overhead green-leaf canopy. I wonder how the uniform would look absent such green canopy, say in winter, when such canopy was not present. If the overhead canopy in your AO goes away during winter, or you can stage a similar vid in terrain without such a canopy present, you might be surprised at the difference in the appearance of the uniform. Grey, or at least some shades of gray, have this "reflectance" capability. It might be that a completely grey uniform, under the right conditions, would reflect the green light from the canopy, and appear a more-or-less greenish colors, or at least those parts exposed to the green light from above. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:06:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
I was already planning on doing some winter videos with a few patterns to show them with less foliage. AU was one on the list. Also going to do some again in an area with slightly different terrain. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Originally Posted By raf:
Concerning your vid on ATACS AU uniform, note how the gray sections of the material reflect the greenish tint of the overhead green-leaf canopy. I wonder how the uniform would look absent such green canopy, say in winter, when such canopy was not present. If the overhead canopy in your AO goes away during winter, or you can stage a similar vid in terrain without such a canopy present, you might be surprised at the difference in the appearance of the uniform. Grey, or at least some shades of gray, have this "reflectance" capability. It might be that a completely grey uniform, under the right conditions, would reflect the green light from the canopy, and appear a more-or-less greenish colors, or at least those parts exposed to the green light from above. I wonder how well a well-made face veil, like a bug net, or perhaps other, similar rig, might work for people who are forced to wear eyeglasses. Even with modern, non-reflective coatings, eyeglasses might reveal position, and a suitable face-veil might not only diminish such reflection, but perhaps substitute for face camo. Such a face veil might also reduce "Human-Head" silhouette/recognition. The Israeli Mitznefet, which is an irregularly-shaped helmet cover is designed to obscure the shape of the human head. Combined with a face veil, which would also obscure the shape of the human face, AND rreduce glare from glasses and/or goggles, the combo might be worth considering. Linky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitznefet_(Israeli_military) As always, your vids are very informative, and well-done. Much obliged for your work! |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 6:17:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryWell done Hawkeye
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USA
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Posted: 12/1/2018 11:49:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sparky-kb]
[#35]
Not sure if this belongs in here or not, but I thought I'd add it anyways since there's not much info on them out there.
Just got a couple of pairs of these Army Combat Pants in. They are fire resistant and take Crye knee pads. There is a vertical adjustment strap for the knee pads located in the cargo pockets and velcro straps behind the knees to help align them. There is a small flap that folds down while the knee pads are inserted or can be used to help seal up the knee pad slot while the pads aren't inserted. Button up fly with velcro waist adjustment straps on both hips. Gusseted crotch. Button closure on the cargo pockets with shock cord draw string. Velcro closure calf pockets. Button closure rear pockets. Standard slash hip pockets are very deep. Like, swallow half your arm deep. Lots of heavy bar tacking throughout. The design is somewhat of a mixture of BDU and ACU features with a dash of Crye thrown in. I got them for winter wear as they aren't all that breathable due to the FR material used. I also wanted to try out the Crye Airflex knee pads without buying a $280 dollar pair of pants. I think I spent about $105 for the pants and Crye pads, all new with tags/packaging. I assume they will fade pretty quickly as well, but that may be a useful change to the color during the winter around here. I'll be wearing them a lot in the next few months and will post updated pictures of color change and any durability issues that come up. I'll try to keep a pair new to compare color change with use and washing. If anyone has any questions about them don't hesitate to ask. 
Forgot to add: They came with an adhesive field patch in the back pocket. Not sure how useful it would be but I thought I'd throw a pic in. 
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Posted: 12/1/2018 11:58:15 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparky-kb:
Not sure if this belongs in here or not, but I thought I'd add it anyways since there's not much info on them out there. Just got a couple of pairs of these Army Combat Pants in. They are fire resistant and take Crye knee pads. There is a vertical adjustment strap for the knee pads located in the cargo pockets and velcro straps behind the knees to help align them. There is a small flap that folds down while the knee pads are inserted or can be used to help seal up the knee pad slot while the pads aren't inserted. Button up fly with velcro waist adjustment straps on both hips. Gusseted crotch. Button closure on the cargo pockets with shock cord draw string. Velcro closure calf pockets. Button closure rear pockets. Standard slash hip pockets are very deep. Like, swallow half your arm deep. Lots of heavy bar tacking throughout. The design is somewhat of a mixture of BDU and ACU features with a dash of Crye thrown in. I got them for winter wear as they aren't all that breathable due to the FR material used. I assume they will fade pretty quickly as well, but that may be a useful change to the color during the winter around here. I'll be wearing them a lot over the winter and post updated pictures of color change and any durability issues that come up. If anyone has any questions about them don't hesitate to ask. http://i.imgur.com/NHF8VOK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NOfmLso.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZTA24z7.jpg |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 12:07:49 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PineappleDevil:
Whoa! So Goodwill is making Army uniforms? |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 8:49:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2019 5:25:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lew]
[#39]
Quote HistoryGood review, as per the usual. 
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2019 9:32:11 AM EDT
[#40]
Does anyone know about the effectiveness of combining dessert pants with woodland shirts?
I noticed it done in Lone Survivor (granted it's Hollywood) and it got me wondering what the effectiveness would be. I'm currently considering mating a pair of ATACS AU pants with ATACS FG shirt, and I think it'd be a good compromise for effectiveness for the majority of the year. Can anyone vouch, or test? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/27/2019 3:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pav56C:
Does anyone know about the effectiveness of combining dessert pants with woodland shirts? I noticed it done in Lone Survivor (granted it's Hollywood) and it got me wondering what the effectiveness would be. I'm currently considering mating a pair of ATACS AU pants with ATACS FG shirt, and I think it'd be a good compromise for effectiveness for the majority of the year. Can anyone vouch, or test? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/27/2019 4:21:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pav56C]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Since both patterns were made for very different environments, any positive effect of mixing and matching is mitigated. 3-color desert tends to be too bright for just about anything, while M81 Woodland is too dark for most any environment save dense northern forests. The color palettes of the two ATACS patterns aren't as radically disparate, but I can't foresee much advantage, though I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. |
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Posted: 3/27/2019 6:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Since both patterns were made for very different environments, any positive effect of mixing and matching is mitigated. 3-color desert tends to be too bright for just about anything, while M81 Woodland is too dark for most any environment save dense northern forests. The color palettes of the two ATACS patterns aren't as radically disparate, but I can't foresee much advantage, though I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. |
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Posted: 3/27/2019 7:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonecutter6: I seem to remember units using Woodland Tops and Winter White Bottoms for winter warfare. I'm not sure who exactly but the thought was that they would blend well with the ground snow and the vertical foliage/trees. Those two colors are pretty much polar opposites as well. |
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Posted: 3/28/2019 6:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonecutter6:
I seem to remember units using Woodland Tops and Winter White Bottoms for winter warfare. I'm not sure who exactly but the thought was that they would blend well with the ground snow and the vertical foliage/trees. Those two colors are pretty much polar opposites as well. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pav56C: I'm hoping Hawkeye can prove or disprove my theory before I spend over a hundred bucks on a non matching set. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 8:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye: It can work, depending on the terrain/environment. If I get time I'll see if I can do a little mixing of the two for you. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 8:39:26 PM EDT
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I'd like to see the results. I can see there being a limited application for the concept.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 8:34:07 AM EDT
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I think the BDU top/DCU bottom combination became a thing after the movie. In reality the taliban tape sadly showing the unlucky soldiers killed show them wearing Full woodland uniforms.
On the other side, pics that have surfaced recently show some of the Rangers sent to Rescue the trapped Team wearing that peculiar mix of uniforms. I don't know if it was for camouflage or recognition (some other rangers from the Recon Detachment wore full tan uniforms on the same mission). 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:29:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joeviterbo:
I think the BDU top/DCU bottom combination became a thing after the movie. In reality the taliban tape sadly showing the unlucky soldiers killed show them wearing Full woodland uniforms. On the other side, pics that have surfaced recently show some of the Rangers sent to Rescue the trapped Team wearing that peculiar mix of uniforms. I don't know if it was for camouflage or recognition (some other rangers from the Recon Detachment wore full tan uniforms on the same mission). https://preview.redd.it/e4e2ye2ruhhx.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7e7a37a3aa4f52a7ab46e13b551d670d971f1451 Hell, I've dyed ACU and ABU uniforms that would do far better than what I see in the pic. ETA: Pic 17 on this thread shows some decent dyeing of ACU nylon gear to decent green terrain. Another pic above shows dyeing ACU to brown. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/On-Dyeing-with-Rit-Dye-Many-Pix-/10-429475/ |
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