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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Ok...got an Esstac enhanced belt in my shopping cart...any other belts that I should really be considering for a first belt? Esstac comes with inner and outer belt for the same cost that many just sell the outer, so its seems like a great bang for the buck. View Quote Nope. Esstac only. Add Kywi gap pistol and one or two midlength rifle pouches |
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
Retention via fat folds. Nice job fatty. Fatty fat Fatso. Get a holster. |
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Nope. Esstac only. Add Kywi gap pistol and one or two midlength rifle pouches View Quote Thats just the type of shill response I was hoping for. If I select one wrap as the attachment type does that mean they'll include the wrap itself or will I need to pick some up as well? |
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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Thats just the type of shill response I was hoping for. If I select one wrap as the attachment type does that mean they'll include the wrap itself or will I need to pick some up as well? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Nope. Esstac only. Add Kywi gap pistol and one or two midlength rifle pouches Thats just the type of shill response I was hoping for. If I select one wrap as the attachment type does that mean they'll include the wrap itself or will I need to pick some up as well? Nope if you select it, they will send it with the pouches |
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
Retention via fat folds. Nice job fatty. Fatty fat Fatso. Get a holster. |
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Nope if you select it, they will send it with the pouches View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Nope. Esstac only. Add Kywi gap pistol and one or two midlength rifle pouches Thats just the type of shill response I was hoping for. If I select one wrap as the attachment type does that mean they'll include the wrap itself or will I need to pick some up as well? Nope if you select it, they will send it with the pouches Done. I have an enhanced shooter's belt, 2011 double pistol GAP Kywi pouch and a 5.56 double Kywi midlength pouches headed my way. That at least gets me started and gives me a little more gear to use at APC range days. I noticed that Esstac sells through Amazon, so I'll likely order future stuff through there to get a few bucks tossed towards the APC at the same time. |
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I really like my enhanced shooters belt. Also check out a horizontal mag pouch. They're for special people.
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Originally Posted By MeatBag: I really like my enhanced shooters belt. Also check out a horizontal mag pouch. They're for special people. View Quote Both my momma and my wife say I'm special! This is my first belt, so much like carry holsters I'm sure I'll end up with a bunch of stuff that didn't work out so great in pursuit of the perfect setup. Figured I was safe with a relatively standard pouch setup to start with. Also gonna pick up a couple shotgun cards for my 870...may as well Esstac all the things. |
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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Done. I have an enhanced shooter's belt, 2011 double pistol GAP Kywi pouch and a 5.56 double Kywi midlength pouches headed my way. That at least gets me started and gives me a little more gear to use at APC range days. I noticed that Esstac sells through Amazon, so I'll likely order future stuff through there to get a few bucks tossed towards the APC at the same time. View Quote I have had my enhanced belt and mag pouches about a week or so now. I really like them. I'm pretty sold on the one wrap. Esstac shipped the order in less than an hour. Can't complain about that. I would be very careful ordering brand name products off of Amazon. I have ordered stuff that I thought was real, but it was a copy. I got a fake Surefire light, and a fake set of Ameriglo sights. I'll just order direct for stuff I care about now. |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: I would be very careful ordering brand name products off of Amazon. I have ordered stuff that I thought was real, but it was a copy. I got a fake Surefire light, and a fake set of Ameriglo sights. I'll just order direct for stuff I care about now. View Quote Yes, I'm aware that's an issue with places like Amazon and Ebay. It looks like the gear I'm seeing listed are shipped and sold by Amazon via Esstac, so I should be good to go. I certainly wouldn't order any open box/warehouse deal items though as those will likely have the highest possibility of being a fake. The biggest reason I would order via Amazon is to toss a little money toward the APC via my Amazon Smile donations. |
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Originally Posted By Croak: Have one of these and the inner belt on order. Pretty much designed with One-Wrap in mind, and I do like the slick exterior. https://defensemechanisms.com/mech-battle-belt/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgs0d2PuVs View Quote Was going to get an Esstac but that looks really interesting. |
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Finally get to post in this thread
Blue Alpha 1.75 belt, no molle Blue alpha TQ holder Enhanced inner belt (wearing it) Safariland ALS for M&P with Trl HL. Currently hate the dropped offset mount but I’ll see if I want to replace it Esstac double pistol. Yes I know the risk of reloading a multi tool but realistically pistol is back up snd I’m low speed Esstac low rifle hSGI taco. All one-wrap. Holy shit that’s sooo much easier than all the old school competition stuff. Not 100% sold on this whole thing snd it weighs in at ~8 pounds, which seems like a lot. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: Finally get to post in this thread Blue Alpha 1.75 belt, no molle Blue alpha TQ holder Enhanced inner belt (wearing it) Safariland ALS for M&P with Trl HL. Currently hate the dropped offset mount but I’ll see if I want to replace it Esstac double pistol. Yes I know the risk of reloading a multi tool but realistically pistol is back up snd I’m low speed Esstac low rifle hSGI taco. All one-wrap. Holy shit that’s sooo much easier than all the old school competition stuff. Not 100% sold on this whole thing snd it weighs in at ~8 pounds, which seems like a lot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455820/9797E713-20A9-4454-93B1-2D805964209B_jpe-2556916.JPG View Quote Im glad you recognized the multitool issue, you can offset that with a double pistol taco and separate your tools and ammo. Ammo and firearms add weight to any belt. Wear it, use it and get used to it. |
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Originally Posted By stoner01: Im glad you recognized the multitool issue, you can offset that with a double pistol taco and separate your tools and ammo. Ammo and firearms add weight to any belt. Wear it, use it and get used to it. View Quote Yeah not sure I need 2 pistol mags. I have some more tacos I can try |
"every exercise is a low back exercise if you do it wrong enough"
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never underestimate the stupidity of other people
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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: The wizards at Esstac managed to convince USPS to deliver mail today...so this was on my doorstep when I got home from work: https://i.imgur.com/eB9n4RJ.jpeg Esstac Enhanced Shooter's Belt, double gap 2011 Kywi and midlength double rifle Kywi. Holster is a Safariland 578 GLS with QLS on a QUBL belt loop. I previously decided to change out the holster for something that will will be light compatible, but I'll keep using this one in the meantime. Since it will fit a variety of pistols it will probably turn into a loaner holster. After a couple of practice draws with the new belt I'll probably ditch the adjustable belt loop too. The bottom of the holster pulls away a lot more now and I can see that cause a hang up on draw. View Quote Why did you get 2011 inserts for an XD? |
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
Retention via fat folds. Nice job fatty. Fatty fat Fatso. Get a holster. |
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How are you all hanging your gloves?
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Man I had a great option for you but I don't think they make them anymore. It was just a strip of your choice camo with a hook. @-esstac this might be a really simple idea for you guys. Sorry this is the best picture I have on my phone but it was just a stitched piece of camo with a metal hook https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20221010_225046-2559090.jpg View Quote You can do that with one wrap |
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Originally Posted By stoner01: You can do that with one wrap View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Man I had a great option for you but I don't think they make them anymore. It was just a strip of your choice camo with a hook. @-esstac this might be a really simple idea for you guys. Sorry this is the best picture I have on my phone but it was just a stitched piece of camo with a metal hook https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20221010_225046-2559090.jpg You can do that with one wrap Yep. I plan on using an HK style sling hook and some one wrap. |
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Originally Posted By Croak: Have one of these and the inner belt on order. Pretty much designed with One-Wrap in mind, and I do like the slick exterior. https://defensemechanisms.com/mech-battle-belt/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgs0d2PuVs View Quote Nice! Too bad they don't offer at least a "D" ring stitch into it. Helos aren't the only thing you might want to be connected to. When in some fast boats it's an option when at a station in the big chop vs. buckled in a seat , if there is a seat, a high perch etc. Just put "use at your own risk " / " Not a primary retention point" One could always run a carabiner around the whole belt through a molle section. An additional hook/loop inner pad would be nice as well when not using the inner belt i.e for when things go bump in the night duty. Grab and go! Again very nice. I might have to say goodbye to the TYR/VTAC molle belt. |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: How are you all hanging your gloves? View Quote I have a Blue Alpha Gear hanger, it works. https://www.bluealphabelts.com/product/blue-alpha-belt-lanyard/ |
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Originally Posted By stoner01: You can do that with one wrap View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Man I had a great option for you but I don't think they make them anymore. It was just a strip of your choice camo with a hook. @-esstac this might be a really simple idea for you guys. Sorry this is the best picture I have on my phone but it was just a stitched piece of camo with a metal hook https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20221010_225046-2559090.jpg You can do that with one wrap Yeah but camo designs |
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
Retention via fat folds. Nice job fatty. Fatty fat Fatso. Get a holster. |
Originally Posted By Visigothic: Nice! Too bad they don't offer at least a "D" ring stitch into it. Helos aren't the only thing you might want to be connected to. When in some fast boats it's an option when at a station in the big chop vs. buckled in a seat , if there is a seat, a high perch etc. Just put "use at your own risk " / " Not a primary retention point" One could always run a carabiner around the whole belt through a molle section. An additional hook/loop inner pad would be nice as well when not using the inner belt i.e for when things go bump in the night duty. Grab and go! Again very nice. I might have to say goodbye to the TYR/VTAC molle belt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Visigothic: Originally Posted By Croak: Have one of these and the inner belt on order. Pretty much designed with One-Wrap in mind, and I do like the slick exterior. https://defensemechanisms.com/mech-battle-belt/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgs0d2PuVs Nice! Too bad they don't offer at least a "D" ring stitch into it. Helos aren't the only thing you might want to be connected to. When in some fast boats it's an option when at a station in the big chop vs. buckled in a seat , if there is a seat, a high perch etc. Just put "use at your own risk " / " Not a primary retention point" One could always run a carabiner around the whole belt through a molle section. An additional hook/loop inner pad would be nice as well when not using the inner belt i.e for when things go bump in the night duty. Grab and go! Again very nice. I might have to say goodbye to the TYR/VTAC molle belt. It's not made as a suspension belt, no sense making it look like it is, and "at your own risk" never ever stopped a lawyer. Less pretensions about that sort of thing, the better. Little birdy says they're coming out with a wider, grippy inner belt for operating in jammies. And there's always the option of the VTAC suspenders. |
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Yeah but camo designs View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Man I had a great option for you but I don't think they make them anymore. It was just a strip of your choice camo with a hook. @-esstac this might be a really simple idea for you guys. Sorry this is the best picture I have on my phone but it was just a stitched piece of camo with a metal hook https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20221010_225046-2559090.jpg You can do that with one wrap Yeah but camo designs One word regarding glove clips: Grimloc |
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I use an S-hook for my gloves.
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Originally Posted By Croak: One word regarding glove clips: Grimloc View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Croak: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Man I had a great option for you but I don't think they make them anymore. It was just a strip of your choice camo with a hook. @-esstac this might be a really simple idea for you guys. Sorry this is the best picture I have on my phone but it was just a stitched piece of camo with a metal hook https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20221010_225046-2559090.jpg You can do that with one wrap Yeah but camo designs One word regarding glove clips: Grimloc That's what I do. |
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Great ideas. No MOLLE on my Esstac belt so I'll have to figure something out.
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Originally Posted By Visigothic: Nice! Too bad they don't offer at least a "D" ring stitch into it. Helos aren't the only thing you might want to be connected to. When in some fast boats it's an option when at a station in the big chop vs. buckled in a seat , if there is a seat, a high perch etc. Just put "use at your own risk " / " Not a primary retention point" One could always run a carabiner around the whole belt through a molle section. An additional hook/loop inner pad would be nice as well when not using the inner belt i.e for when things go bump in the night duty. Grab and go! Again very nice. I might have to say goodbye to the TYR/VTAC molle belt. View Quote Got one ordered. Showed in-stock but no shipping notice yet so hopefully won't take a month. My 1st belt so won't have anything to compare it to but the concept looks solid. |
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Originally Posted By Croak: It's not made as a suspension belt, no sense making it look like it is, and "at your own risk" never ever stopped a lawyer. Less pretensions about that sort of thing, the better. Little birdy says they're coming out with a wider, grippy inner belt for operating in jammies. And there's always the option of the VTAC suspenders. View Quote YES, You are right. After looking at it's construction it's just designed for hanging gear on. The tegris material probably only has 25% the linear strength of webbing despite it's rigidity, not that it's weak, it's just not designed as a tether device. The molle and nylon fabric aren't enough to give any real tensile strength needed for a safe retention system. A great looking and designed belt none the less for it's intent. Now that we have the pajama operations covered with the wider inner belt maybe they can squeeze some 2" webbing between the tegris and molle with a #25 D-ring buckle for some other load options. If that were possible I think they would have all the bases covered by way of product evolution. I really like this direction they are going in. |
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Originally Posted By Real_PhillBert: I have a Blue Alpha Gear hanger, it works. https://www.bluealphabelts.com/product/blue-alpha-belt-lanyard/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Real_PhillBert: Originally Posted By Lancelot: How are you all hanging your gloves? I have a Blue Alpha Gear hanger, it works. https://www.bluealphabelts.com/product/blue-alpha-belt-lanyard/ Yep. They're great. Pic thread: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 5L33P3R: I moved to a Truenorth rig and prefer it to the safariland mount. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478727/9169934B-E868-428E-9675-0A12F2594AC0_jpe-2338088.JPG But I did move my safariland mid-ride to my single belt system and here’s how I thread it. It was very stable this way with inner and outer belt. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478727/B58926BB-2640-44E2-BBD2-3DE8871E75CF_jpe-2338089.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5L33P3R: Originally Posted By R3L04D: Those of y'all using the mid-drop attachment for Safariland holsters + inner/outer belt setups - do y'all run the inner belt through the loops on the holster? I think my outer belt is too stiff to work for that. Just got a new belt and never had to deal with this before I moved to a Truenorth rig and prefer it to the safariland mount. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478727/9169934B-E868-428E-9675-0A12F2594AC0_jpe-2338088.JPG But I did move my safariland mid-ride to my single belt system and here’s how I thread it. It was very stable this way with inner and outer belt. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478727/B58926BB-2640-44E2-BBD2-3DE8871E75CF_jpe-2338089.JPG The True North looks nice. I run a Qore pad on the SL UBL for comfort and some air flow. Otherwise the TN is very attractive. |
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Originally Posted By Fairweather: Typically the inner belt goes through the belt loops on your pants, replacing your regular pants belt. So it both holds your pants up and services as an anchor for the outer belt. The outer belt has the holster (and your other gear) mounted on it. The idea is that the outer belt can be removed without having to remove the inner belt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Fairweather: Originally Posted By R3L04D: Those of y'all using the mid-drop attachment for Safariland holsters + inner/outer belt setups - do y'all run the inner belt through the loops on the holster? I think my outer belt is too stiff to work for that. Just got a new belt and never had to deal with this before Bingo |
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Originally Posted By acegunner: You are one of the first people to have that TQ holder. It was just released like 2 or 3 weeks ago. Give us a review after you run around in it a bit. And maybe some close up pics. Does it feel snug, yet easy enough to pull the TQ out of? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By acegunner: Originally Posted By BrowardMason: Blu Alpha Belt Dara Holster Blue Alpha TQ holder Esstac KYWIs https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/276753/20220412_210923_jpg-2347159.JPG You are one of the first people to have that TQ holder. It was just released like 2 or 3 weeks ago. Give us a review after you run around in it a bit. And maybe some close up pics. Does it feel snug, yet easy enough to pull the TQ out of? @acegunner The attachment is gtg. I run mine vertically due to space. The TQ and pen are going nowhere. |
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View Quote @SuperStormBryan Do you have a post outlining your whole setup? I am very interested in the belt/harness. |
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Originally Posted By Nonchalance: @SuperStormBryan Do you have a post outlining your whole setup? I am very interested in the belt/harness. View Quote @Nonchalance Its an ATS Warbelt, the bundle with the tearaway IFAK and a set of Tactical Tailor suspenders, they're kind of stupid expensive for suspenders but very comfortable under a carrier. Kit left to right: - Grimlock to hold gloves - 2x Eagle M9 pouches, the ones with kydex, new surplus - 2x Blackhawk pistol pouches, I'd like to have one retained with a flap and one for my torch, new surplus - 2x Tactical Tailor double M4 - ATS micro dump pouch - ATS tearaway IFAK - ATS small GP - Blackhawk!!1! holster, for the P320 - NAR TQ, going to replace that with a Tactical Tailor one next time I put in order somewhere that carries them |
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Just got my Blue Alpha MOLLE belt in and all setup. So far, it seems like a solid belt at a great price and short lead time.
Not wild about the slack belt keep, but I’ll probably get used to it. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By alpha0815: Just got my Blue Alpha MOLLE belt in and all setup. So far, it seems like a solid belt at a great price and short lead time. Not wild about the slack belt keep, but I’ll probably get used to it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/CB0A77AB-3989-416D-A4F4-51CE72E079F6_jpe-2564055.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/C5382CC3-1A9A-494D-BB69-0085BB4D8D58_jpe-2564057.JPG View Quote Nice looking setup. What brand holster? |
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Originally Posted By bimmertech87: Nice looking setup. What brand holster? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bimmertech87: Originally Posted By alpha0815: Just got my Blue Alpha MOLLE belt in and all setup. So far, it seems like a solid belt at a great price and short lead time. Not wild about the slack belt keep, but I’ll probably get used to it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/CB0A77AB-3989-416D-A4F4-51CE72E079F6_jpe-2564055.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/C5382CC3-1A9A-494D-BB69-0085BB4D8D58_jpe-2564057.JPG Nice looking setup. What brand holster? It's a Safariland |
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I have a new AXL Eclipse but no inner belt. Any recommendations?
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Originally Posted By 9mmkungfu: I can wait. I had watched a YouTube review of the belt and the reviewer didn't seem to be a fan of the inner, so I thought I'd look around at other options. View Quote These are pretty well regarded: https://warriorpoetsupplyco.com/low-profile-velcro-inner-edc-belt/ |
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Some people like thicker inner belts they can use for edc. I honestly prefer thinner ones since I don't edc with the inner belts. I can get everything a bit tighter that way. Honestly that's simply personal preference
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Some people like thicker inner belts they can use for edc. I honestly prefer thinner ones since I don't edc with the inner belts. I can get everything a bit tighter that way. Honestly that's simply personal preference View Quote Same here, and an exposed Velcro belt is just yuck in street clothes. Save that shit for the range or operating operationally. The need to have a Velcro inner as your EDC belt so you can don a battle belt right quick is pretty damned limited for most folks. |
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