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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:14:28 PM EDT
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I still have 5 or 6 sets of parts left. I just decided not to sell them because I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with them. I had about 20 left a few months ago but slowly have been saying yes to people who were nice that wanted conversions. I have considered buying factory AOW Mossberg 590s and just parting them out but I don't feel like there would be any profit in it (or demand). Are people still even wanting to build these guns? I was building 20-30 a month last yr but I thought the demand had tapered off. I'd love to build one! But a factory AOW may be cheaper and easier at this point. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 11:55:58 PM EDT
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I wasn't building the Non NFA but I was going to form 1 a 590 and swap the front end. Now I will probably be cutting the 18" barrel down to match the regular mag tube. It sucks that Mossberg did this. I even asked if they would sell me the kit with an approved form1 and they said no. I am an 07 and can legally manufacture AOWs and SBSs and they won't sell them to me either. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 11:59:05 PM EDT
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I'd love to build one! But a factory AOW may be cheaper and easier at this point. And that is why I am on the fence about bothering. The factory AOWs cost me nearly 500 dollars, so it becomes a question of how much can I get out of the parts. Most likely I will sell the front ends easily if I sell them cheap and then have a pile of parts left over that have no real demand and be in the whole. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 12:44:08 AM EDT
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I made one the legal way. I hoped they would change their mind. Mine is about 1" longer than if I could have bought it.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:23:28 AM EDT
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I made one the legal way. I hoped they would change their mind. Mine is about 1" longer than if I could have bought it. The legal way is the only way we make things |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:21:46 PM EDT
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Ordered. I'm going off this list: 13488 Tube Nut 500A/835 11239P M590/835 Mag Cap Parkerized 12410P Magtube M514 Parkerized 12392P Magazine Spring Retainer 590/835 Parkerized 12194 Spring, Magazine 835 12359 Forearm, M514 16033P Bbl Asm 514Bead Hvy/w Parkerized 12362P Action Slide Asm 500/514 Parkerized Brownells has everything except the magtube and the mag spring retainer. Does anyone know of a source for those? ETA: I have a stamp in hand and am converting an 18.5" 500 to SBS. Is the mag spring retainer the same and can it be reused? Also can the 500's magtube be cut down and re-used? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank god Brazzers showed up to enlighten us on that. I sold my 14" project locally to fund a Benelli purchase, but, I found a vendor who has Factory take-off 14" barrels HERE. Ordered. I'm going off this list: 13488 Tube Nut 500A/835 11239P M590/835 Mag Cap Parkerized 12410P Magtube M514 Parkerized 12392P Magazine Spring Retainer 590/835 Parkerized 12194 Spring, Magazine 835 12359 Forearm, M514 16033P Bbl Asm 514Bead Hvy/w Parkerized 12362P Action Slide Asm 500/514 Parkerized Brownells has everything except the magtube and the mag spring retainer. Does anyone know of a source for those? ETA: I have a stamp in hand and am converting an 18.5" 500 to SBS. Is the mag spring retainer the same and can it be reused? Also can the 500's magtube be cut down and re-used? I ended up ordering the magtube and mag spring retainer directly from Mossberg right after posting this. They just got here a couple days ago. Their customer service is a huge pain to deal with and really poor communication. All that aside, they had no qualms selling me the magtube, so I'm assuming they're only opposed to selling the barrels. Aimpro still has barrels listed on their site at the link above. |
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Posted: 11/20/2015 5:14:03 PM EDT
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PGO 870 $350 less $50 rebate = $300
http://www.cdnnsports.com/870-express-12-18-3-bl-pg-pg.html#.Vk-MPoo8KnM |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:09:42 PM EDT
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That's what I used to make my own. Bought the pistol grip version so that it starts and stays as a pistol grip shotgun.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 9:07:17 AM EDT
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That's what I used to make my own. Bought the pistol grip version so that it starts and stays as a pistol grip shotgun. http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/tjk45rocket/DSC00353.jpg That's sexy as hell! |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 2:54:58 PM EDT
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Mossberg has resumed civilian sales of 14" frontends as of late October, according to Shockwave Technologies! User comments on their phone ordering guide appear to confirm.
Didn't notice until I finished sourcing parts for a Remington 870 conversion 
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Posted: 12/10/2015 4:26:02 PM EDT
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Mossberg has resumed civilian sales of 14" frontends as of late October, according to Shockwave Technologies! User comments on their phone ordering guide appear to confirm. Didn't notice until I finished sourcing parts for a Remington 870 conversion  GREAT NEWS!
ETA: el linko http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=2874 |
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Posted: 12/23/2015 2:43:33 AM EDT
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I need one of these.
But, I gotta make mine with old school wood. Anybody have a source for wood birdshead grips? |
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Posted: 12/23/2015 9:11:32 AM EDT
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I need one of these. But, I gotta make mine with old school wood. Anybody have a source for wood birdshead grips? Make one from a cheap stock. |
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Posted: 12/23/2015 2:50:50 PM EDT
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Mossberg has resumed civilian sales of 14" frontends as of late October, according to Shockwave Technologies! User comments on their phone ordering guide appear to confirm. Didn't notice until I finished sourcing parts for a Remington 870 conversion GREAT NEWS!
ETA: el linko http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=2874 I sold my 14" parts locally when Mossberg cut off 14" part sales ...looks like that non-nfa project might be resurrected! It's good Mossberg got smart and started selling 14" parts again. It's high time we get to take advantage of all the BS legalities the ATF has put in place. They should have defined a PGO Shotguns as shotguns if they didn't wants us building these! Reap it! |
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Posted: 12/25/2015 2:50:12 PM EDT
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Don't worry, all pgo not-shotguns will be dd's soon enough . . .
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Posted: 12/25/2015 10:05:34 PM EDT
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Don't worry, all pgo not-shotguns will be dd's soon enough . . . The ATF wouldn't Be able to hire enough staff if 10% of owners would comply with an amnesty registration. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:57:09 PM EDT
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So-
Are these still legal ? Can these still be purchased?? |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 1:31:02 AM EDT
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Shock wave technologies has the 14" kits for the mossberg back in stock! Time to get your non nfa shotgun parts or do what I am fixing to and form 1 a regular 500 and have a nice sbs.
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Posted: 1/18/2016 9:34:53 AM EDT
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Shock wave technologies has the 14" kits for the mossberg back in stock! Time to get your non nfa shotgun parts or do what I am fixing to and form 1 a regular 500 and have a nice sbs. I tried to resist, I really did... |
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Posted: 1/18/2016 8:38:36 PM EDT
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I tried to also but I couldnt now to find a mossberg jic in all matte black finish. I think I found one just gotta call and order it now!
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Posted: 1/29/2016 7:38:17 AM EDT
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PGO 870 $350 less $50 rebate = $300 http://www.cdnnsports.com/870-express-12-18-3-bl-pg-pg.html#.Vk-MPoo8KnM Anyone know where this rebate can be had? Searched at Remington, no dice. Looking for a smoking deal on a Mossberg 500 pgo in matte finish or a Remington 870 PGO matte finish. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 12:26:12 PM EDT
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I really hate you people. I have absolutely NO need for a non-NFA 14 inch 500; I really don't even like PGO shotguns.
<sigh> Shockwave shipped my kit quickly and packed it well. Good people. Surprisingly, the local Academy not only had a couple of JIC 500s in stock, the counter guy knew exactly how to transfer it, and even mentioned replacing the PG with a Shockwave grip for greater comfort. Now, to get that mag tube out without buggering up either it or the receiver. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 4:54:32 PM EDT
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Now, to get that mag tube out without buggering up either it or the receiver. Here's a dude discussing a technique for removing thread lock on CZ Scorpions: uncure locktight threads Just don't hate me when you buy a Scorpion too. Yeah you need one. |
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Posted: 1/30/2016 12:08:38 AM EDT
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Here's a dude discussing a technique for removing thread lock on CZ Scorpions: uncure locktight threads Just don't hate me when you buy a Scorpion too. Yeah you need one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now, to get that mag tube out without buggering up either it or the receiver. Here's a dude discussing a technique for removing thread lock on CZ Scorpions: uncure locktight threads Just don't hate me when you buy a Scorpion too. Yeah you need one. Thank you!! |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 7:43:01 PM EDT
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just throwing this out there for comparison. I assembled this with a Maverick 88 and a damaged 500 barrel that I cut down to 18.25" (I used the Maverick barrel with full rib and accu-choke to fix up the 500)
The Streamlight flashlight/laser combo is a nice fit in this application. I have the laser zeroed at 15 yards. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 9:21:17 AM EDT
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just throwing this out there for comparison. I assembled this with a Maverick 88 and a damaged 500 barrel that I cut down to 18.25" (I used the Maverick barrel with full rib and accu-choke to fix up the 500) http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m520/makarov10/IMG_1037_zpseebktx2t.jpg The Streamlight flashlight/laser combo is a nice fit in this application. I have the laser zeroed at 15 yards. Nice, I like that. I put the shockwave grip on my Moss 500 18" with ventilated rib, I think it looks pretty sweet. I still wish it was a PGO I could stick a 14" front end on though. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 9:24:10 AM EDT
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Nice, I like that. I put the shockwave grip on my Moss 500 18" with ventilated rib, I think it looks pretty sweet. I still wish it was a PGO I could stick a 14" front end on though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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just throwing this out there for comparison. I assembled this with a Maverick 88 and a damaged 500 barrel that I cut down to 18.25" (I used the Maverick barrel with full rib and accu-choke to fix up the 500) http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m520/makarov10/IMG_1037_zpseebktx2t.jpg The Streamlight flashlight/laser combo is a nice fit in this application. I have the laser zeroed at 15 yards. Nice, I like that. I put the shockwave grip on my Moss 500 18" with ventilated rib, I think it looks pretty sweet. I still wish it was a PGO I could stick a 14" front end on though. No doubt, me too. |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 3:22:27 PM EDT
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Well, just ordered a 14" front end from Mossberg. Would be much simpler if I could have done it on the website.
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Posted: 2/4/2016 4:34:19 PM EDT
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Well, just ordered a 14" front end from Mossberg. Would be much simpler if I could have done it on the website. What? Where are they in stock? ETA: oh I guess you have to call Mossberg to order it? How much shipped? |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 9:48:52 PM EDT
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Came out to $260 shipped. Yeah, you have to call them.
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Posted: 2/5/2016 11:58:15 AM EDT
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PGO Mossberg shottie for $315
http://www.quanticotactical.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=3392&type=C&subCatNum=34&CMN=Shotguns ETA: looks like the price is $300 now |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 2:56:17 PM EDT
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Anyone know who to contact to confirm whether state laws agree with federal on these? I tried IA Dept of public safety and got a "this falls outside our area of expertise" answer. All I can find in IA weapon laws says short barreled shotguns are illegal, but nothing on "shotguns that aren't shotguns".
That, and why do PGO shotguns tend to bring more money than the same model with a stock and bird barrel? I would think a 500 is a 500, barring things like sights, optics and finish upgrades. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 10:33:57 PM EDT
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Has anyone asked if you can order the 14" ghost ring sight front end?
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Posted: 2/14/2016 6:27:35 PM EDT
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So to make sure I got this covered. to make one of the non nfa firearms this combo will work
Mossberg part# 92514 Aprox $ 215 shipped. MAV M88 CRUISER 12M/20CB PG 20" barrel from galeryofguns $267.14 total shipped to my local dealer Raptor shockwave birds head. $29 Buds has the front end kit for sale at 204 + the ride http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/712012558 cheaperthandirt also has them but I dont care for them. And when I am done I should have a full heat shield,Barrel, and front end for the Mav I may be able to resell thanks |
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Posted: 2/14/2016 7:07:32 PM EDT
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Has anyone asked if you can order the 14" ghost ring sight front end? I did 2 years ago when I built mine. I can't recall how much extra it was, but it wasn't that much if I can't remember. Of course, it's mainly for looks. Better practice with it before you line your eye up to the ghost ring. 
I just need to figure out how to cut down the heat shield. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 9:01:12 AM EDT
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Here's a dude discussing a technique for removing thread lock on CZ Scorpions: uncure locktight threads Just don't hate me when you buy a Scorpion too. Yeah you need one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now, to get that mag tube out without buggering up either it or the receiver. Here's a dude discussing a technique for removing thread lock on CZ Scorpions: uncure locktight threads Just don't hate me when you buy a Scorpion too. Yeah you need one. This stuff did absolutely nothing for me. I ended up using a heat gun and a block of wood in the receiver and was able to turn the mag tube by hand. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:34:12 AM EDT
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I did 2 years ago when I built mine. I can't recall how much extra it was, but it wasn't that much if I can't remember. Of course, it's mainly for looks. Better practice with it before you line your eye up to the ghost ring.
<a href="http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg</a> I just need to figure out how to cut down the heat shield. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anyone asked if you can order the 14" ghost ring sight front end? I did 2 years ago when I built mine. I can't recall how much extra it was, but it wasn't that much if I can't remember. Of course, it's mainly for looks. Better practice with it before you line your eye up to the ghost ring.
<a href="http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg</a> I just need to figure out how to cut down the heat shield. Follow-up to my own post... I figured out that even if you cut it down, the 590 heat shield won't fit or work with a 14" barrel, the front end is made for the taper of an 18-20" barrel, and the forward tab with the two bolts is going to block the fore-end from cycling all the way forward and closing the bolt. Also, the two bolt-holes in the heat shield's front tabs are partially blocked by the barrel itself if you can get it on there. There is a company that can do a 14" heat shield, but I don't know if it'll fit a ghost-ring/rifle blade front sight barrel. They charge $158, and need to get your barrel, because they need to tap the sides of the magazine tube retainer ring on the barrel to make a mounting point for the reasons I discovered above. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:31:31 PM EDT
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I did 2 years ago when I built mine. I can't recall how much extra it was, but it wasn't that much if I can't remember. Of course, it's mainly for looks. Better practice with it before you line your eye up to the ghost ring.
<a href="http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg</a> I just need to figure out how to cut down the heat shield. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anyone asked if you can order the 14" ghost ring sight front end? I did 2 years ago when I built mine. I can't recall how much extra it was, but it wasn't that much if I can't remember. Of course, it's mainly for looks. Better practice with it before you line your eye up to the ghost ring.
<a href="http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/20140816_131808_zpsczyr9sq2.jpg</a> I just need to figure out how to cut down the heat shield. Awesome thanks! I'm not really a fan of heat shields so that won't be a problem. Just wanting to have the front end on hand for a Form 1 build before July. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 2:39:23 PM EDT
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Awesome thanks! I'm not really a fan of heat shields so that won't be a problem. Just wanting to have the front end on hand for a Form 1 build before July. That is probably what I'll do with it too once I'm done playing with it as a PGO with the Shockwave birds-head grip on it. What stock are you going to use? |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 8:05:07 PM EDT
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I'm tempted of making my own 14" shotgun using the shockwave lug and grip for the Mossbergs. Should I use a maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 pgo firearm?
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:23:30 AM EDT
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I'm tempted of making my own 14" shotgun using the shockwave lug and grip for the Mossbergs. Should I use a maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 pgo firearm? Either would work fine so long as it's pistol grip only from the factory. I went with a Mossberg because I wanted the matte black finish and black bolt. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:53:35 PM EDT
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That is probably what I'll do with it too once I'm done playing with it as a PGO with the Shockwave birds-head grip on it. What stock are you going to use? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awesome thanks! I'm not really a fan of heat shields so that won't be a problem. Just wanting to have the front end on hand for a Form 1 build before July. That is probably what I'll do with it too once I'm done playing with it as a PGO with the Shockwave birds-head grip on it. What stock are you going to use? Probably just factory speedfeed or magpul one. I'm gonna give it until April in hopes of finding a police trade in 14" with ghost rings then I'll just make one. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 1:14:54 AM EDT
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I'm tempted of making my own 14" shotgun using the shockwave lug and grip for the Mossbergs. Should I use a maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 pgo firearm? 835. PGO, short barrel, 3 1/2" magnum. Post video. You'll probably look like this
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Posted: 2/18/2016 1:25:57 AM EDT
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So...United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Co. doesn't apply to a PG firearm?
If a pistol can be converted to a carbine, and back, shouldn't a PG firearm be convertible to a shotgun (stock + 18.5" barrel) and back? Or would it take another court case to settle that? |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 11:55:34 AM EDT
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Follow-up to my own post... I figured out that even if you cut it down, the 590 heat shield won't fit or work with a 14" barrel, the front end is made for the taper of an 18-20" barrel, and the forward tab with the two bolts is going to block the fore-end from cycling all the way forward and closing the bolt. Also, the two bolt-holes in the heat shield's front tabs are partially blocked by the barrel itself if you can get it on there. There is a company that can do a 14" heat shield, but I don't know if it'll fit a ghost-ring/rifle blade front sight barrel. They charge $158, and need to get your barrel, because they need to tap the sides of the magazine tube retainer ring on the barrel to make a mounting point for the reasons I discovered above. To add to this information. If you have the Surefire 621 forearm there is no gap at all between the forearm and the barrel lug. The forearm covers nearly half of the lug so any drilling and tapping of the lug may want to take this into consideration to avoid interference. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 3:49:06 PM EDT
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I'm tempted of making my own 14" shotgun using the shockwave lug and grip for the Mossbergs. Should I use a maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 pgo firearm? I don not believe the Maverick 88 is offered as a from the factory PGO. Such a model is not listed on their website. In that case using a NON-PGO as a host gun would require a tax stamp before you went to anything with a barrel length of less than 18'. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:26:45 PM EDT
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gallery of guns has them item #31091 |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 12:29:58 AM EDT
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So...United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Co. doesn't apply to a PG firearm? If a pistol can be converted to a carbine, and back, shouldn't a PG firearm be convertible to a shotgun (stock + 18.5" barrel) and back? Or would it take another court case to settle that? Very interesting idea-common sense would say if you change parts in the right order and never have the stock and short barrel installed at the same time you've got nothing to worry about based on the TC precedent, but ATF isn't exactly known for exercising common sense. |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 7:01:04 AM EDT
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and if the ATF is watching you close enough to know you are swapping barrels and stocks on a shotgun well you have bigger problems coming soon.
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So...United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Co. doesn't apply to a PG firearm? If a pistol can be converted to a carbine, and back, shouldn't a PG firearm be convertible to a shotgun (stock + 18.5" barrel) and back? Or would it take another court case to settle that? Very interesting idea-common sense would say if you change parts in the right order and never have the stock and short barrel installed at the same time you've got nothing to worry about based on the TC precedent, but ATF isn't exactly known for exercising common sense. |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 9:29:13 AM EDT
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So...United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Co. doesn't apply to a PG firearm? If a pistol can be converted to a carbine, and back, shouldn't a PG firearm be convertible to a shotgun (stock + 18.5" barrel) and back? Or would it take another court case to settle that? Would this also mean that any shotgun could legally be converted to a 14" barreled version with shockwave grip, not just a PGO shotgun? |
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