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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:29:17 PM EDT
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I shoot mine from a one point sling most of the time (HK MP5K style) when you preload the sling it adds a great level of accuracy and stability.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:08:43 PM EDT
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I'm curious to see how it functions with my "birdslugs". 1oz Lee Foster cast slugs, trap wad, low brass birdshot hull, and 17gr of Hi-Skor 700-X. In theory it kicks less than Federal 100rnd 1-1/8tho #8 3dram bulk pack from Wallyworld, but is still a world of hurt bigger than most any handgun round. 
It's a nice low pressure load I've been using in my Saiga 12s for mag dumps and cheap plinking at my gun club, because they don't allow shot on the range as it tears up the backstops and hangers too fast. Yes with low recoil buckshot it would still be deadly but manageable, definitely a must have for me. Your load sounds good also Other posters have a good idea/s also |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 8:39:37 PM EDT
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Shot mine today Oly crap , recoil is brutal with 3 inch loads First off I am no nancy boy, I shoot 454 , 44 mags all the time no problem I shoot 12 gauges with no recoil pads This thing literally rips itself out of my weak hand and needs gripped in an unconvention manner It has a purpose but fun shooting at the range isn't one of them. Definitely a niche weapon From the pics you posted, It looks like you don't have the strap on your forearm. All the builds I do have a strap on the forearm so you can push forward on the forearm while pulling on the grip. This helps ALOT with recoil. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:38:00 AM EDT
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From the pics you posted, It looks like you don't have the strap on your forearm. All the builds I do have a strap on the forearm so you can push forward on the forearm while pulling on the grip. This helps ALOT with recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot mine today Oly crap , recoil is brutal with 3 inch loads First off I am no nancy boy, I shoot 454 , 44 mags all the time no problem I shoot 12 gauges with no recoil pads This thing literally rips itself out of my weak hand and needs gripped in an unconvention manner It has a purpose but fun shooting at the range isn't one of them. Definitely a niche weapon From the pics you posted, It looks like you don't have the strap on your forearm. All the builds I do have a strap on the forearm so you can push forward on the forearm while pulling on the grip. This helps ALOT with recoil. You know I thought that was to prevent fingers from being blown off, but after reading the above I agree and will add one Thanks |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:01 AM EDT
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Here are a few pics. They are both lined up exactly even. http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7106_zpsb6d93b0a.jpg</a>" /> Here you can see how much shorter the 14" is as well as why all the parts need to be changed. http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7108_zpse6d3ef7e.jpg</a>" /> And here is an overall shot for you. http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7109_zpsfb1199a7.jpg</a>" /> Hopefully that helps. Honestly, that looks like LESS THAN an inch differance. Seems like to much work for the gain. (full conversion) I'm lazy. Why not just shorten the original barrel? |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:17:49 PM EDT
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You don't see NIB 870 factory AOW's very often:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=440726344 |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 2:54:51 AM EDT
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I found this picture:
And got an idea. What if the AR was an AR pistol with a 10.5 inch barrel and sig brace (no stock and over 26" with the right buffer tube) and you could attach a shotgun as short as a serbu super shorty, but since it is attached to the AR it is over 26". Hmm? Does anybody see any reason that would be illegal? I can see that it may be nessasery to somehow permantly attach it, but heck, the birds head is not "permanent" either. There used to be a kit for attaching a shotgun to an AR, it was in "Predator", with that kit the shotgun had no grip, so I guess a shotgun without a grip is "non functional" and thus non measured untill it is assembled? So maybe if it was removed from the rail without a grip it would be OK? DISCLAIMER: I am not planning on building anything like this, I am mearely interested in seeing if a company could/would produce it legally and sell them (if legal). |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 12:49:48 PM EDT
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I found this picture: <a href="http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/harleypics69/media/hera_zps21e24870.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc390/harleypics69/hera_zps21e24870.jpg</a> And got an idea. What if the AR was an AR pistol with a 10.5 inch barrel and sig brace (no stock and over 26" with the right buffer tube) and you could attach a shotgun as short as a serbu super shorty, but since it is attached to the AR it is over 26". Hmm? Does anybody see any reason that would be illegal? I can see that it may be nessasery to somehow permantly attach it, but heck, the birds head is not "permanent" either. There used to be a kit for attaching a shotgun to an AR, it was in "Predator", with that kit the shotgun had no grip, so I guess a shotgun without a grip is "non functional" and thus non measured untill it is assembled? So maybe if it was removed from the rail without a grip it would be OK? DISCLAIMER: I am not planning on building anything like this, I am mearely interested in seeing if a company could/would produce it legally and sell them (if legal). ATF has already stated that attaching an AOW to an SBR does not change the status of the AOW to an SBS. So attaching it to a pistol, unless permanent, is not going to make an otherwise AOW into a Title I Firearm. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 1:13:35 PM EDT
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ATF has already stated that attaching an AOW to an SBR does not change the status of the AOW to an SBS. So attaching it to a pistol, unless permanent, is not going to make an otherwise AOW into a Title I Firearm. You have a letter you can post? |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:47:14 PM EDT
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ATF has already stated that attaching an AOW to an SBR does not change the status of the AOW to an SBS. So attaching it to a pistol, unless permanent, is not going to make an otherwise AOW into a Title I Firearm. You have a letter you can post? http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=334617 They were asked about the pistol as well, but didn't answer for lack of info on the pistol. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 8:28:35 PM EDT
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I found this picture: <a href="http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/harleypics69/media/hera_zps21e24870.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc390/harleypics69/hera_zps21e24870.jpg</a> And got an idea. What if the AR was an AR pistol with a 10.5 inch barrel and sig brace (no stock and over 26" with the right buffer tube) and you could attach a shotgun as short as a serbu super shorty, but since it is attached to the AR it is over 26". Hmm? Does anybody see any reason that would be illegal? I can see that it may be nessasery to somehow permantly attach it, but heck, the birds head is not "permanent" either. There used to be a kit for attaching a shotgun to an AR, it was in "Predator", with that kit the shotgun had no grip, so I guess a shotgun without a grip is "non functional" and thus non measured untill it is assembled? So maybe if it was removed from the rail without a grip it would be OK? DISCLAIMER: I am not planning on building anything like this, I am mearely interested in seeing if a company could/would produce it legally and sell them (if legal). This also interests me.. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 12:50:59 PM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 10/6/2014 4:13:51 PM EDT
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In my opinion, the heat shield is necessary due to the grip used while shooting. Thumb over the barrel, firearm shot from the hip. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:21:05 PM EDT
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In my opinion, the heat shield is necessary due to the grip used while shooting. Thumb over the barrel, firearm shot from the hip. Looks good. Needs MOAR bayonet. 
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Posted: 10/11/2014 11:22:34 AM EDT
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On the topic of of NFA shotguns what if.....
1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 12:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the topic of of NFA shotguns what if.....
1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 3:18:27 PM EDT
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Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: On the topic of of NFA shotguns what if.....
1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. Me? 
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Posted: 10/11/2014 8:09:56 PM EDT
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Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Sorry, I missed that one when I went through the thread 
How's it handle? |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 8:42:47 PM EDT
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Sorry, I missed that one when I went through the thread
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Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Sorry, I missed that one when I went through the thread
How's it handle? Much better after I switched out the buffer tube for one that has a physical stop. the previous tube was a smooth pistol buffer tube that allowed the SB15 to creep up under recoil to the point where it crowded the pistol grip. Got home and replaced the pistol buffer tube with a modified 6 position buffer tube (the guide rail was removed except for the last 1/2" , that acts as the stop). Its impossible to mount an actual buttstock on the buffer tube, it would just slide around like on a pistol buffer tube, and the SB15 is on there pretty tight and doesnt move forward now. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 8:56:40 PM EDT
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Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Did anyone ever figure out if the buffer tube and sig brace counts as over length. So the barrel could go even shorter. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 9:13:26 PM EDT
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Did anyone ever figure out if the buffer tube and sig brace counts as over length. So the barrel could go even shorter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Did anyone ever figure out if the buffer tube and sig brace counts as over length. So the barrel could go even shorter. I would assume as they're bolted on, however I didnt want to be permenantly married to the sig brace so I left it long enough to be legal with a birds head grip on mine. Its 5+1 as pictured with the home made +1 extension ( chopped and welded a $5 junk box +2). |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 9:57:30 PM EDT
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I would assume as they're bolted on, however I didnt want to be permenantly married to the sig brace so I left it long enough to be legal with a birds head grip on mine. Its 5+1 as pictured with the home made +1 extension ( chopped and welded a $5 junk box +2). I wouldn't mind to have one set up, to be married to the sig brace on. Yours looks bad ass by the way MIne for fun  DSC_2192 by jamiehstanley, on Flickr
 IMG_20140816_195050_227 by jamiehstanley, on Flickr
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Posted: 10/11/2014 10:38:22 PM EDT
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Now I rather want to attempt to put a Sig brace on a sagia
... But good luck trying to find a saiga receiver that's never had a stock I suppose.
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Posted: 10/11/2014 10:49:12 PM EDT
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Now I rather want to attempt to put a Sig brace on a sagia ... But good luck trying to find a saiga receiver that's never had a stock I suppose.Thats the kind of thing you'd build from scratch |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 12:01:03 AM EDT
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Now I rather want to attempt to put a Sig brace on a sagia ... But good luck trying to find a saiga receiver that's never had a stock I suppose.Cadiz Gun Works might be able to help you. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:19:49 PM EDT
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This thing is better than sex.... Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Take a Pistol Grip Only shotgun with an OAL of 26+"; which is defined as a "firearm" as opposed to a "shotgun" or "short barrel shotgun" regardless of barrel length. Ala this 2) Install a buffer tube adapter. 3) Install a Sig brace 4) Profit?!? If I am reading the definition of a shotgun as well as the ATF letter concerning the sig brace correctly, this would allow for a non NFA 12ga entry style scattergun. What say the Hive? Thought someone already posted a picture of just that. This thing is better than sex.... Me? <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/ezwjmehMj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/wjmehM.jpg</a> |
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