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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:12:30 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Anybody used these? are they anymore effective than regular buck? They definitely have an awesome name 
I am going to be reloading soon and would like to reload something like this, anybody reloaded along these lines before? shotgun is the main reason I am going to start reloading |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:39:02 PM
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 7:34:22 PM
Originally Posted By garretts1776:
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php///pName/5rds-12-gauge-rhodesian-jungle-ammo/cName/12-gauge-specialtyexotic Anybody used these? are they anymore effective than regular buck? They definitely have an awesome name
I am going to be reloading soon and would like to reload something like this, anybody reloaded along these lines before? shotgun is the main reason I am going to start reloading At $16.95 for five rounds they deliver a lethal blow to your wallet. They are a gimmick round marketed to mall ninjas. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:27:42 PM
Should have got the Flechette rounds when they used to carry them. Much better for bad guys.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:46:07 PM
I understand that BB isn't as effective for people, just curious if anyone had reloaded something like them. And hell no I wasn't going to pay that for the manufactured ones
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:31:26 PM
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:03:31 PM
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ Ever get a 911 call about a guy who took a full load of 7.5 BS to his chest as less than 5 yards...and have him walk to your ambulance? BS is for birds not BGs. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:51:07 PM
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ I wouldn't want a rubber band to the nuts, either, but I'm not going to Staples to buy my HD stuff. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 6:49:18 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 6:49:47 PM by familyman357]
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ Dear Lord, why won't this shit die? |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:12:04 PM
Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ I wouldn't want a rubber band to the nuts, either, but I'm not going to Staples to buy my HD stuff. LOL, I nominate this one for post of the year.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:45:27 PM
Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ I wouldn't want a rubber band to the nuts, either, but I'm not going to Staples to buy my HD stuff.  that was perfect!
Seriously folks, wasn't trying to start the war up. Just thought it would be a unique load to reload for some "variety". we can all relax now! |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:47:16 AM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 10:51:09 AM by CJan_NH]
Home defense shotgun?
Federal Tactical #LE132 reduced recoil 9 pellet 00 buck with plated shot and FliteControl wad, and Federal Tactical #LE127RS reduced recoil Hydra Shok slugs are my answer for things that go bump in the night (if an AR loaded with 75gr Hornady TAP isn't nearby) 
ETA: As soon as I can get my hands on Federal's LE132-1B I'll pattern it and check for reliable operation. If it functions well I'll probably standardize on it. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:52:08 AM
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Home defense shotgun? Federal Tactical #LE132 reduced recoil 9 pellet 00 buck with plated shot and FliteControl wad, and Federal Tactical #LE127RS reduced recoil Hydra Shok slugs are my answer for things that go bump in the night (if an AR loaded with 75gr Hornady TAP isn't nearby)
ETA: As soon as I can get my hands on Federal's LE132-1B I'll pattern it and check for reliable operation. If it functions well I'll probably standardize on it. I prefer plain 'ole #1 unplated buckshot in Chateau Ironhand's HD shotgun. No need for super-tight patterns at the ranges commonly encountered inside a house. In the(extremely unlikely) event I manage to run through all 7 rounds in the tube, I have Winchester Foster-type slugs on the Sidesaddle. I don't feel under-gunned.... |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:53:37 PM
Rhodesia is long gone, so their "jungle round" obviously wasn't terribly effective. And they never had any jungles there, so what the hell were they thinking...?
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:06:33 PM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 9:16:39 PM by bluefalcon]
Originally Posted By garretts1776:
Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
Originally Posted By Smitty357:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
No. Low recoil buck is the best for defense. Anything from #1 buck through 000 or a slug is suitable. BB sized shot is not large enough to penetrate deeply enough to reliably incapacitate bad guys so it shouldn't be taking up space that could be used by more effective projectiles. Agree for combat, but for HD - ever seen the hole in sheet metal from 71/2 birdshot from a 20" full choke barrel at 20 yds? Not combat, but I would not want to be in front of it........ I wouldn't want a rubber band to the nuts, either, but I'm not going to Staples to buy my HD stuff. that was perfect!
Seriously folks, wasn't trying to start the war up. Just thought it would be a unique load to reload for some "variety". we can all relax now! If you want something slightly unusual but still effective, look up "buck and ball." ETA: You're still better off choosing either buckshot OR slugs. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:17:42 AM
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
If you want something slightly unusual but still effective, look up "buck and ball." ETA: You're still better off choosing either buckshot OR slugs. I have some of these that I bought to be different they go boom and make a nice hole in a water jug but haven't patterned with them yet.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:04:33 PM
] I wouldn't want a rubber band to the nuts, either, but I'm not going to Staples to buy my HD stuff.[/quote] Well played Sir!  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:16:58 PM
Originally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Home defense shotgun? Federal Tactical #LE132 reduced recoil 9 pellet 00 buck with plated shot and FliteControl wad, and Federal Tactical #LE127RS reduced recoil Hydra Shok slugs are my answer for things that go bump in the night (if an AR loaded with 75gr Hornady TAP isn't nearby)
ETA: As soon as I can get my hands on Federal's LE132-1B I'll pattern it and check for reliable operation. If it functions well I'll probably standardize on it. I prefer plain 'ole #1 unplated buckshot in Chateau Ironhand's HD shotgun. No need for super-tight patterns at the ranges commonly encountered inside a house. In the(extremely unlikely) event I manage to run through all 7 rounds in the tube, I have Winchester Foster-type slugs on the Sidesaddle. I don't feel under-gunned.... I've tried them all, including every commercially duplex round on the market from 1991 through 2010 or so. My smooth bore chokeless Benellis might as well be blunderbusses without a good wad (flite control or power piston). Even at seven yards the patterns are unacceptably large with standard buckshot. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 1:11:16 PM
My old Mossberg does the same thing with cheap stuff like S&B. The wad in those rounds is a cardboard disc, no buffering material, and the old-school roll-crimp. For laying down a lot of lead it's great, but Winchester #1 buck holds nice, tight patterns out of the ol' gal.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:01:03 PM
You could always roll your own....
Fleshette darts Assuming these are legal in your area, I bet these would drop any would be gangstar on bath salts or Chronic hell bent on breaking in and stealing your stuff. Just an idea.... 
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:52:14 AM
Originally Posted By Fastbrick:
You could always roll your own.... Fleshette darts Assuming these are legal in your area, I bet these would drop any would be gangstar on bath salts or Chronic hell bent on breaking in and stealing your stuff. Just an idea....
hell yeah! anybody reloaded flachette before? |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:56:48 PM
Originally Posted By Fastbrick:
You could always roll your own.... Fleshette darts Assuming these are legal in your area, I bet these would drop any would be gangstar on bath salts or Chronic hell bent on breaking in and stealing your stuff. Just an idea....
If these were effective............LE or military would be using a flechette round......they aren't, so they don't. 
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Posted: 8/10/2012 6:41:11 PM
Fleshettes are too light/are thrown at too low of a velocity, have very poor sectional density, almost never stabilize and the ones that do stabilize icepick like a mofo in flesh, even 7.5 birdshot is superior. Better sectional density, velocity, is always stabilized, or at least as stabilized as round balls without spin can be and doesn't icepick as readily and we all know birdshot sucks, so that should tell you how much more sucky fleshettes are.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:13:15 PM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By Fastbrick:
You could always roll your own.... Fleshette darts Assuming these are legal in your area, I bet these would drop any would be gangstar on bath salts or Chronic hell bent on breaking in and stealing your stuff. Just an idea....
If these were effective............LE or military would be using a flechette round......they aren't, so they don't.
Just to clarify, Im not looking to replace 00 buck for my home defense gun, Im just looking for interesting/"cool" rounds to reload and if anyone has any prior experience. Also, the military use thing is a bad example, the army and marines use shotguns only for breaching, and there is no doctrine for using a shotgun on people like in vietnam and before. i do get what your saying and completely understand that the flachettes don't stabilize |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:00:12 PM
Originally Posted By garretts1776:
the army and marines use shotguns only for breaching,  |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:10:38 PM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By garretts1776:
the army and marines use shotguns only for breaching, for the most part they do man. Im not saying a shotgun has never been used on someone or to clear a room, I'm just saying how they are implemented and trained on Now. |
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