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Posted: 4/7/2012 5:16:41 PM
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Posted: 4/7/2012 11:02:14 PM
A lot of it is going to be model dependent. I have a 687 EELL Gold Pigeon Sporting II with 30" barrels that wear extended Briley chokes. It's perfect for dove & pigeon stands, as well as walking up over dogs.
I have a 626 EL 20 ga. SxS with 26" pipes that was my woodcock and grouse gun in tight bramble. But I wish it had two more inches on it. Even my turkey gun has a 26" barrel. I have never, ever, ever said to myself "Gee...I wish this gun had a shorter barrel." Handle them all. Borrow a few. Go shoot some starlings. Then make up your mind. As a bird hunter turned target shooter / instructor turned bird hunter again, I personally like more barrel than less. Your personal shooting style may dictate otherwise. |
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Posted: 4/7/2012 11:25:57 PM
Wish I could borrow a few. I'm looking to pick up the new Benelli 28. I haven't seen any with a 24 in barrel I'm assuming it because it balanced properly with a 26.
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Posted: 4/8/2012 12:13:07 AM
Handled the New Benelli with the 24" barrel.
Very nice but if I was laying down money I think I would go with the 26". It is a very light gun. The longer barrel might give you a smoother swing. But then again the 24" would be handy. But I'm not 100% sure. Just ordered a Teknys 20 and I ordered the 30" barrel and I am worried I went too long. I agree. I wish you could handle a bunch before deciding. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 12:48:47 AM
Here's the rub...you have to reload 28 ga. It's $10.99 box new, $2.50 a box reloaded with top shelf stuff at retail prices. Don't give me this "I'm only going to shoot it a little bit" bullshit, because a 28 ga. shotgun is like a .22 LR. You're going to shoot the ever loving shit out of it. You will need to reload.
Count on $450 for a MEC 9000 with high cap primer feed. Don't be intimidated...it's easy, comes all set up, and pays for itself in no time flat. Semi autos throw hulls. That's a problem. You need to keep your hulls. Winchester AAHS hulls are the ones you want. Once fired, they sell for $0.15 a piece plus shipping. Best thing to do is just buy four flats of new loaded Super Sports with the current rebate and get 1000 to get you going. Buy the Benelli and you're stuck paying out the nose, chasing empties, or limiting yourself to Euro trash loads when you can find them. And 24" inches is too short even on an autoloader. You're going to cause yourself all kinds of bad habits. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 12:51:43 AM
Originally Posted By mike103: Handled the New Benelli with the 24" barrel. Very nice but if I was laying down money I think I would go with the 26". It is a very light gun. The longer barrel might give you a smoother swing. But then again the 24" would be handy. But I'm not 100% sure. Just ordered a Teknys 20 and I ordered the 30" barrel and I am worried I went too long. I agree. I wish you could handle a bunch before deciding. Teknys almost needs the 30" AND a significant mag tube weight cap because the receiver is so heavy. All the weight is in tight to your strong side hand...I can't shoot them as well as I can my Urika Gold II Sporting because to me the weight distribution is all fucked up out of the box. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 1:02:12 AM
I already have a Teknys 12.
It has a 28" barrel and I use the Beretta end cap weight with all the weight. Love that gun and use it for sporting, trap and doubles skeet. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:47:27 AM
longer barrels swing better and don't stop, esp on a light lively gun like a well made 28ga.
and yeah, chasing hulls sucks. i find 28ga AA's around $9 a box. (B&P's are about the same) $1 more than 12ga AA but you rarely find cheapie promo 28ga shells but it doesn't matter, cuz once you go 28ga, you aren't going back. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:49:26 AM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Here's the rub...you have to reload 28 ga. It's $10.99 box new, $2.50 a box reloaded with top shelf stuff at retail prices. Don't give me this "I'm only going to shoot it a little bit" bullshit, because a 28 ga. shotgun is like a .22 LR. You're going to shoot the ever loving shit out of it. You will need to reload. Count on $450 for a MEC 9000 with high cap primer feed. Don't be intimidated...it's easy, comes all set up, and pays for itself in no time flat. Semi autos throw hulls. That's a problem. You need to keep your hulls. Winchester AAHS hulls are the ones you want. Once fired, they sell for $0.15 a piece plus shipping. Best thing to do is just buy four flats of new loaded Super Sports with the current rebate and get 1000 to get you going. Buy the Benelli and you're stuck paying out the nose, chasing empties, or limiting yourself to Euro trash loads when you can find them. And 24" inches is too short even on an autoloader. You're going to cause yourself all kinds of bad habits. I have a 20ga Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon II with 26" barrels that I love(been considering putting Briley tubes in it to make it a 28ga), but I don't kill as many birds with it as I do my Montefeltro 20ga with a 24" barrel. I have no idea why. That's the only reason I was considering the 24" in the 28 ga. gun, but I think it will be off balance. I will end up ordering the 26" but talk to me about these "bad habits" with the shorter gun. I'm all ways up for schoolin. When I shoot skeet I use a sustained lead. When I bird hunt I kill shit. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 1:14:52 PM
[Last Edit: 4/8/2012 1:16:16 PM by GunCat]
On your Montefeltro (as with any Semi-auto) the barrel starts a few inches farther out from your trigger hand vs. an O/U so a 24” barrel might end up being a similar in overall length as a 26-28” O/U. This changes the feel and balance of the gun (along with it being a completely different action type of course).
Most 28ga guns are going to be light and quick to swing... which also means they are quick to stop and can lead to stopping your swing and not following through, both thing that can cause us to miss shots on moving targets. My 28ga /410 combo gun is a Beretta 687 (on the smallest “baby” frame). Even with its 30” barrels it is a very light gun that makes me think about swinging and not stopping the gun. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 1:15:55 PM
Winchester is running a $2/box rebate on AA target loads. Look in the ammo section of Brownells and there's a link to the rebate form, etc.
I have a 28 gauge Citori 525 Sporting with 30" barrels. Originally Posted By BozemanMT: longer barrels swing better and don't stop, esp on a light lively gun like a well made 28ga. and yeah, chasing hulls sucks. i find 28ga AA's around $9 a box. (B&P's are about the same) $1 more than 12ga AA but you rarely find cheapie promo 28ga shells but it doesn't matter, cuz once you go 28ga, you aren't going back. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 4:13:48 PM
Originally Posted By kaneroy: I will end up ordering the 26" but talk to me about these "bad habits" with the shorter gun. I'm all ways up for schoolin. When I shoot skeet I use a sustained lead. When I bird hunt I kill shit. Sustained lead works great in skeet for all targets except Low 6 which should be shot using pass through. In Sporting or FITASC, if you try to just shoot one type of target engagement style like sustained lead, you will have your ass handed to you. Target presentation dictates the method of target engagement. With short little whippy guns you're going to start bead poking targets and paying less attention to mount and follow through. You're going to unconsciously start aiming at targets. I see it all the time. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 6:22:04 PM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
I will end up ordering the 26" but talk to me about these "bad habits" with the shorter gun. I'm all ways up for schoolin. When I shoot skeet I use a sustained lead. When I bird hunt I kill shit. With short little whippy guns you're going to start bead poking targets and paying less attention to mount and follow through. You're going to unconsciously start aiming at targets. I see it all the time. yep me too They can hit stuff, but not consistently nor know why they missed. (because they stopped the gun, it's real easy to see watching someone, lot harder behind the trigger) |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 7:44:28 PM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
I will end up ordering the 26" but talk to me about these "bad habits" with the shorter gun. I'm all ways up for schoolin. When I shoot skeet I use a sustained lead. When I bird hunt I kill shit. Sustained lead works great in skeet for all targets except Low 6 which should be shot using pass through. In Sporting or FITASC, if you try to just shoot one type of target engagement style like sustained lead, you will have your ass handed to you. Target presentation dictates the method of target engagement. With short little whippy guns you're going to start bead poking targets and paying less attention to mount and follow through. You're going to unconsciously start aiming at targets. I see it all the time. That explains why I dont know what I do when I hunt. I dont think about it, I just shoot. What do you mean by "bead poking"? |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 8:00:08 PM
Originally Posted By kaneroy: That explains why I dont know what I do when I hunt. I dont think about it, I just shoot. What do you mean by "bead poking"? 1) Target appears 2) Something happens. 3) Guns goes bang. Step Number 2 of the shot sequence needs to be refined to a consistently executed repeatable series of economized movements. If you're having success on live birds this way, it is for two reasons. First, the gun fits you reasonable well. Second, your primal predator mind is forcing you to focus on the target. This is why you always hear the excuse "I never miss a real bird" when a sport shoots an 8 / 25 on the trap or skeet line. This is not a transferable skill....it is a lack of developed skill. |
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Posted: 4/9/2012 7:09:43 PM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
That explains why I dont know what I do when I hunt. I dont think about it, I just shoot. What do you mean by "bead poking"? 1) Target appears 2) Something happens. 3) Guns goes bang. Step Number 2 of the shot sequence needs to be refined to a consistently executed repeatable series of economized movements. If you're having success on live birds this way, it is for two reasons. First, the gun fits you reasonable well. Second, your primal predator mind is forcing you to focus on the target. This is why you always hear the excuse "I never miss a real bird" when a sport shoots an 8 / 25 on the trap or skeet line. This is not a transferable skill....it is a lack of developed skill. I understand. I have been shooting more skeet lately hopefully it will transfer to the field. I can consistantly break 20-23on the skeet range ,25 when i pay attention.thank you for the insite. |
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Posted: 4/9/2012 7:42:44 PM
Originally Posted By kaneroy: I understand. I have been shooting more skeet lately hopefully it will transfer to the field. I can consistantly break 20-23on the skeet range ,25 when i pay attention. Yeah...wait till you try that shit with the 28. I think my baby frame target 28 weighs almost exactly 1/2 of what my 12 ga. target gun does. I can run 200 straight with 7/8th oz in the 12 ga., and then drop that low 6 four games in a row with my 28 ga. My best was 50 straight in skeet with the dedicated 28 gun. Haven't replicated it since...I blame it on not living next to skeet fields anymore. |
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Posted: 4/9/2012 10:44:28 PM
I shot my first 50 straight with a 28ga....but that was back in the day when I had enough good sense to shoot the same gun all year instead of trying something different every other time out
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Posted: 4/10/2012 8:22:08 AM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
I understand. I have been shooting more skeet lately hopefully it will transfer to the field. I can consistantly break 20-23on the skeet range ,25 when i pay attention. Yeah...wait till you try that shit with the 28. I think my baby frame target 28 weighs almost exactly 1/2 of what my 12 ga. target gun does. I can run 200 straight with 7/8th oz in the 12 ga., and then drop that low 6 four games in a row with my 28 ga. My best was 50 straight in skeet with the dedicated 28 gun. Haven't replicated it since...I blame it on not living next to skeet fields anymore. Ya, but thats the fun in moveing down a ga. I hardly ever use my 12ga's any more, I only shoot my 20's. I like the challange |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 1:05:19 PM
I shot 28" or shorter for many years.
My 682 tubed skeet gun is 30" and I now wish it was 32". My thinking is changing and I like longer barrels. Longer sighting plane, smoother swing and I like the added weight. I shot a 32" "K" gun with the high rib a few weeks ago and I liked the added length and weight. But I'm 6' 2" and a robust 220 right now so I can move the extra steel. I also shoot sustained lead at clays but find myself spot shooting live birds. With clays you are trying to hit the bird with one shot. While hunting I just keep shooting until I kill the bird. ![]() |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 9:03:51 PM
I went today and fondeled the 26" gun. It really is light. I think the 24" would be too whipy. I am gona order the 26" gun.
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Posted: 4/10/2012 9:13:10 PM
[Last Edit: 4/10/2012 9:13:28 PM by mike103]
I think you are making the right choice.
Let us know how you like the gun. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 11:40:14 PM
Originally Posted By kaneroy: I went today and fondeled the 26" gun. It really is light. I think the 24" would be too whipy. I am gona order the 26" gun. For the auto loader the 26 will be fine. But one day not far from now you will remember what I told you about those $0.15 hulls and $3/ box reloads. |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 8:25:31 AM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
I went today and fondled the 26" gun. It really is light. I think the 24" would be too whipy. I am gona order the 26" gun. For the auto loader the 26 will be fine. But one day not far from now you will remember what I told you about those $0.15 hulls and $3/ box reloads. I know. Years ago when I bought my Montefeltro I had ordered a Silver, but after 6 months I quit waiting and went with the regular one. I have all ways regretted not getting the gun I wanted. So when they came out with the 28, it was the perfect opportunity to get the gun I wanted years ago, just in a different caliber. I will end up with a 28 double gun before long. |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:19:46 PM
This is going to be one of my several retirement presents to my self in a few years:
http://www.joeletchenguns.com/etchencustom.htm Beretta baby frame 28 gauge/ 410 bore sets. |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:39:04 PM
Originally Posted By mike103: This is going to be one of my several retirement presents to my self in a few years: http://www.joeletchenguns.com/etchencustom.htm Beretta baby frame 28 gauge/ 410 bore sets. Got one. Actually got the 687 with sideplates in the Sporting Clay configuration. I stole it from Great Lakes Sporting Arms...I walked in with 35 $100 bills and walked out with the gun. Mine is not JEG Special marked and the wood is great but not orgasmic. I believe the only other way to get a baby frame now is to order a Jubileo at 3x the price. I have shot the .410 barrels once. I gave up on it. The hulls don't last, it's a pain in the ass to load on a progressive press, and every now and then you send a .410 whistler 'slug" over the heads of the guys on the next skeet field. A bit of advice...I would not wait "a few years" to pick one up. If I were a betting man, they simply won't be there when you want them. Beretta has a tendency to devolve from the classics. You can make more money. Hell you can even borrow it. You cannot make more time and you certainly can't borrow it. Same can be said for good health. Get the gun now, and then as your retirement present take it to Argentina and rack up a completely ludicrous body count. Mine has over 12,000 kills to its' credit. |
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