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Posted: 12/20/2009 9:14:25 PM
I have a Mossberg 590A1 (9 Shot) with an M-9 Bayonet...
I use 3 sets of: 1 Remington sabot 1oz Copper Hollow Point Slug 2 3/4" ... 
...followed by 2 Hornady 00 Buck/TAP FPD 2 3/4" 
... and on my side saddle I have 2 more sets of the above,... |
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Posted: 1/4/2010 6:25:55 PM
[Last Edit: 1/4/2010 6:27:41 PM by KSODA]
I just picked up my first shotgun, the FNH SLP police 18" 12 guage and grabbed several boxes of Brenneke 2 3/4' tactical home defense 1oz. slugs, Brenneke K.O. 2 3/4" 1oz. slugs, Hornady OO TAP buck and military grade OO MG buckshot (Winchester brown box). I'm new to shotguns and figuring out which choke to use with which ammo.
The weapon came with two Invector chokes, each slotted, one with three slots, and the other with four, and it also came with two gas pistons, one for light loads, and the other for heavy loads. I'm not familiar yet with shot charge weights when buying ammo. The Winchester military box and ammo doesn't list this, its the same with the Hornady TAP ammo. The Brenneke slug boxes say 1 oz. I plan to take a defensive shotgun class, but can you guys direct me here as to which ammo, gas piston and choke to use for home defense? The owners manual is kinda vague. Do you think the Brenneke Home Defense slugs would be too powerful to use indoors? Also, the ammo boxes don't say whether the shot is lead or steel. Should I plan to pick up a couple other choke tube FN offers? |
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Posted: 1/16/2010 12:20:52 PM
[Last Edit: 1/16/2010 6:07:08 PM by steveinct]
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Posted: 1/16/2010 12:39:09 PM
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Rampant_Colt
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Posted: 1/30/2010 9:03:44 PM
Originally Posted By FL_Rifleman: R-P Copper Slugs are intended for rifled-barrel shotguns––not smoothbores. They'll likely keyhole after a short distance.I have a Mossberg 590A1 (9 Shot) with an M-9 Bayonet... I use 3 sets of: 1 Remington sabot 1oz Copper Hollow Point Slug 2 3/4" ... http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_210854_imageset_01?$main-Large$ ...followed by 2 Hornady 00 Buck/TAP FPD 2 3/4" http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Large/439733.jpg ... and on my side saddle I have 2 more sets of the above,... I keep Federal Hydra-Shok 1oz reuced recoil slugs in the side saddle and usually 00 or 000 reduced buckshot in the magazine |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 8:20:44 PM
Originally Posted By KSODA:
I just picked up my first shotgun, the FNH SLP police 18" 12 guage and grabbed several boxes of Brenneke 2 3/4' tactical home defense 1oz. slugs, Brenneke K.O. 2 3/4" 1oz. slugs, Hornady OO TAP buck and military grade OO MG buckshot (Winchester brown box). I'm new to shotguns and figuring out which choke to use with which ammo. The weapon came with two Invector chokes, each slotted, one with three slots, and the other with four, and it also came with two gas pistons, one for light loads, and the other for heavy loads. I'm not familiar yet with shot charge weights when buying ammo. The Winchester military box and ammo doesn't list this, its the same with the Hornady TAP ammo. The Brenneke slug boxes say 1 oz. I plan to take a defensive shotgun class, but can you guys direct me here as to which ammo, gas piston and choke to use for home defense? The owners manual is kinda vague. Do you think the Brenneke Home Defense slugs would be too powerful to use indoors? Also, the ammo boxes don't say whether the shot is lead or steel. Should I plan to pick up a couple other choke tube FN offers? Prolly you should just start you own thread. THen if some sort of conclusion are reached, you can chime back in w/ the Reader's Digest version. Please keep replies in this thread more along the lines of contribution of specific info rather than starting discussions, so it doesn't get all long. |
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Posted: 4/14/2010 7:30:08 PM
I like the 12-pellet 00 Buck load from Nobel Sport and the 16-pellet #1 Buck from Win/Rem as my Home-D loads. I keep a few slugs and some more #1 Buck on the side saddle shell holder. I am confidently ready for either the zombies or the obamaramas with these loads.
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Posted: 5/15/2010 9:40:42 PM
It appears that the Tactical works link isn't going to where you think its going...definitely not firearms-related...
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Posted: 5/15/2010 9:42:12 PM
It appears that the OP's Tactical works link isn't going to where you think its going...definitely not firearms-related...
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Posted: 5/20/2010 3:25:15 AM
Originally Posted By 14Kfgk14:
It appears that the OP's Tactical works link isn't going to where you think its going...definitely not firearms-related... whoa  Looks like the .tacticalshotgun.ca has been taken over by some sex toy peddler. I guess the site went belly up and some pervs bought the domain. If someone can find that info somewhere else let us know.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:21:34 PM
12 Gauge #1 Buckshot: the International Wound Ballistics Association argues that all other thing being equal #1 buckshot is the best b/c compared to 9 pellet 00 buck 16 pellet #1 has the ability to produce "over 30% more potentially effective wound trauma." Additionally, it is the less likely to over-penetrate or penetrate barriers than 0 or 00 buckshot. Since it is less likely to over-penetrate, plated would be preferable. Plated #1 is the smallest size buck shot that consistently meets the FBI penetration standard in calibrated ballistic gel under strict laboratory conditions. Currently I only see non-plated offerings from Remington & Winchester. There are no Flite Control loads w/ #1 available, so pattern sizes will be undesirably large at outside distances w/o a choke. Federal has no offerings AFAIK.
1. - I have seen this stated before on several forums. If this is the prime defense buckshot, why do people usually talk of 00 & #4? 2 - Why is #1 it so hard to find, especially in Winchester & Remington brands? |
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Posted: 1/4/2011 12:35:59 PM
Originally Posted By OlKev:
12 Gauge #1 Buckshot: the International Wound Ballistics Association argues that all other thing being equal #1 buckshot is the best b/c compared to 9 pellet 00 buck 16 pellet #1 has the ability to produce "over 30% more potentially effective wound trauma." Additionally, it is the less likely to over-penetrate or penetrate barriers than 0 or 00 buckshot. Since it is less likely to over-penetrate, plated would be preferable. Plated #1 is the smallest size buck shot that consistently meets the FBI penetration standard in calibrated ballistic gel under strict laboratory conditions. Currently I only see non-plated offerings from Remington & Winchester. There are no Flite Control loads w/ #1 available, so pattern sizes will be undesirably large at outside distances w/o a choke. Federal has no offerings AFAIK.
1. - I have seen this stated before on several forums. If this is the prime defense buckshot, why do people usually talk of 00 & #4? 2 - Why is #1 it so hard to find, especially in Winchester & Remington brands? I think your second question answers the first. |
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Posted: 2/22/2011 7:03:00 PM
Had excellent results with the Federal Flitecontrol wad with standard 2-3/4" 00. Will do actual testing vs. regular Federal buckshot this weekend with paper to see clear differences, but each shot was tight as could be today through the 870HD
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Posted: 3/2/2011 10:59:00 PM
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By Kronos2720:
Originally Posted By justbill:
How about these? I'm planning to try some soon. Essentially a self-contained version of the very deadly "buck and ball" practice from the muzzleloader era. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-823.jpg What about this? AIM has it and I'm rather curious as to how it would work:
No buck,and a short shell but,man,that seems like it wouldn't be something you'd want to be on the receiving end of!
I have a lite weight side by side and I want to try something that won't kill me on the other end
mind I also intend to get some of that buck-and-ball plus some reg buckshot.
I think there are only some guns that you can cycle that stuff in. Even pump guns. Are those the same lenght as those aqguilla mini shells? No, these are standard sized rounds. The pattern out of my 870 cylinder bore with these were actually tighter than Federal's Flightcontrol 00 Buck. I tested out to 75 feet/25 yards. |
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Posted: 4/25/2011 10:10:27 PM
[Last Edit: 4/25/2011 10:10:38 PM by anr6t]
Has anyone tried this stuff? I didn't see the XM127 loads reviewed on the first page:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=133&t=863999 |
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Posted: 5/5/2011 12:56:13 PM
Originally Posted By OlKev:
12 Gauge #1 Buckshot: the International Wound Ballistics Association argues that all other thing being equal #1 buckshot is the best b/c compared to 9 pellet 00 buck 16 pellet #1 has the ability to produce "over 30% more potentially effective wound trauma." Additionally, it is the less likely to over-penetrate or penetrate barriers than 0 or 00 buckshot. Since it is less likely to over-penetrate, plated would be preferable. Plated #1 is the smallest size buck shot that consistently meets the FBI penetration standard in calibrated ballistic gel under strict laboratory conditions. Currently I only see non-plated offerings from Remington & Winchester. There are no Flite Control loads w/ #1 available, so pattern sizes will be undesirably large at outside distances w/o a choke. Federal has no offerings AFAIK.
1. - I have seen this stated before on several forums. If this is the prime defense buckshot, why do people usually talk of 00 & #4? 2 - Why is #1 it so hard to find, especially in Winchester & Remington brands? 00 was the standard 12 gage buck load before Alvin York killed any Germans. I don't know about #4 buck, except it bacame a popular police load back in the 60s or ealier due to the nice pattern with all those pellots. The #1 load never cought on, and it was only late '90s or early 2000's that anyone considered it special. Nine or eight 00 pellots is pretty effective, so that probably is part of the reason #1 hasn't been developed. Also, the larger pellots tend to pattern tighter, so if you want to maximize buckshot effective range it seems to make more sense to morve towards the larger 000 then towards smaller #1, but it seems modern tech has its say with this as well. If #1 is better than 00, then 0 is also better then 00. I recall having 0 buck. The only #1 I found was 16 gage. |
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Posted: 6/3/2011 7:08:55 PM
I thought I'd post here just because this may help someone, idk. Anywho, I took a shot at 30 feet with my 870 (18" Cyl bore bead) with Federal Premium 00 with the Flitecontrol Wad, and got a 5" spread. I don't know about you guys, but 5" out of an 18" Cyl bore barrel at 30' is enough confidence for me to use this stuff at in-home distances and know that every pellet is hitting it's target (assuming I get it there).
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Posted: 8/25/2011 2:21:41 AM
Originally Posted By Inebriated:
I thought I'd post here just because this may help someone, idk. Anywho, I took a shot at 30 feet with my 870 (18" Cyl bore bead) with Federal Premium 00 with the Flitecontrol Wad, and got a 5" spread. I don't know about you guys, but 5" out of an 18" Cyl bore barrel at 30' is enough confidence for me to use this stuff at in-home distances and know that every pellet is hitting it's target (assuming I get it there). http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/Name890/870A.jpg thanks for sharing |
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Posted: 9/17/2011 11:12:06 PM
I came across some ammo called Polyshok at a local gunshow 2/25 round boxes and a promotional CD Looks beyond the normal "exotic" gimmicky shotgun ammo |
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Posted: 9/21/2011 4:09:14 PM
[Last Edit: 9/21/2011 4:15:28 PM by rightwingnut]
Originally Posted By CopM4:
I came across some ammo called Polyshok at a local gunshow 2/25 round boxes and a promotional CD Looks beyond the normal "exotic" gimmicky shotgun ammo Some door kicker may have positive real work experience w/ this, I don't know, but I am not adding it to the OP b/c of its contriversialy low penetration. I looked into this ammo. There is a really good thread about it on another AR (m4) forum. It is appareantly an underpenetrator. It is essentially a massive glaser safety slug. It is probably better than those on account that it is so much more massive than a pistol or rifle projo but it is essentially a breaching round and has similar penetration to those or bird shot, about 8". I do hear that it is cheaper than most breaching rounds and works very well in this role. Here is a pic where you see the shallow permanant wound cavity: 
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Posted: 9/21/2011 6:22:32 PM
[Last Edit: 9/21/2011 6:25:53 PM by chevellemrwl]
I really like 2 types of 00 Buck.
Fiocchi Nickel-plated 12-ga. 2 3/4" 9-pellet Low Recoil No. 00 Buck Shot 
And RBLR129 Low Recoil Royal Buck 2 3/4" 9 pellet 00 buck 
Both work really well in my Mav 88. I like the low recoil for second and third follow up shots. Target shooting to 30-50 feet is excellent groups. The RIO is relatively the cheapest stuff I have found. Local its about $2.50 a box of 5 shells. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 10:53:04 PM
here is a better version of that pic above so you can see the ruler better. Another fellow lightened it up. Thx
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Posted: 5/29/2012 12:29:57 AM
[Last Edit: 4/15/2013 7:19:05 AM by rightwingnut]
Altair pointed out that Federal now has a Flite Control loading w/ #1 buck. Should be a winner. Here is a hotlink to his thread w/ pics of test patterns out to 30 yards in 5 yard intervals.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/370975_Federal__1_Bockshot_w_Flite_Control_Wad.html I will update the OP I only found a low recoil 15 pellet version in a LE packaging/Part#. IM me if there are any other offerings available to add to the list in the OP. Thx Also, IM me if there is any penetration test data for #1 buck in a reduced recoil cartridge, especially since federal's fite control #1 buck offering is 1100fps. ETA, Box of truth write up on the load: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm |
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:24:19 PM
PDX-1 12G any good?
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Posted: 3/13/2013 9:03:32 AM
[Last Edit: 3/13/2013 9:03:52 AM by IsotopeGear]
I saw this real world experience post over on StoppingPower.net. A LEO discusses low recoil buck during a shoot out at distance (~40 yards) and gives perspective based on other shootings. Interesting read for those who might ever concider using these LR Buck rounds at these longer distances.
Excerpt: " I hope the shooters on our forum don't assume that reduced recoil and tight patterns at long distances somehow equates to fight-stopping effectiveness at those distances." http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21994 Link to forum post |
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